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This accusation against Blizzard is a very unusual one, as it says that men would go to the breastfeeding room, to stare at women in there.

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A Blizzard source points to the World of Warcraft team as an example of this dynamic at work. “WoW makes money, so the people at the top of WoW are untouchable, which means they get away with lots of shit. Also if you were there a long time, which most of the WoW team leadership was, you were ‘in the family’ and pretty much untouchable, which is the breeding ground for behavior like this.”

A woman formerly in one of Blizzard’s hourly service roles talked about the agonizing process of trying to get time off approved by her manager in order to go to the doctor. When an ultrasound raised the possibility of serious medical complications for her unborn child, she was told she had to return in two weeks to check again, only to be told by her manager that she couldn’t. She said she remembers "crying in the waiting room" trying to explain that Blizzard wouldn't let her go to the appointments even though she had paid time off available.

A source who has since departed Blizzard talked about how the room designated for breastfeeding didn’t have locks. “Men would walk into the breastfeeding room. There was no way to lock the door. They would just stare and I would have to scream at them to leave.” IGN understands that breastfeeding rooms have since been updated, with locks added to doors.

As IGN has previously reported, Blizzard has tended to treat developers as special while the various support services have suffered the brunt of cutbacks and layoffs. This has put additional pressure on everyone, but especially marginalized groups.

I think it's really easy to groom people who are vulnerable financially, who really believe that what they're doing is good. And there was so much pressure to make it more of a job.”

To some degree people have a lot of positive associations and passion with Blizzard,” another source said, “and that makes them identify with the company, which makes a breeding ground for power dynamics and abuse.”

What I find odd is that given that a breastfeeding room is there, does that imply that there were on-site daycare services at Blizzard, or would the women just work with their baby along side of them? And why was there not a door lock originally for that room? Accusations like these just add more to the BS meter in terms of believability.
 
Pyromancer, long time lore video creator, has been playing FFXIV on stream lately. He's been alluding to his discontent with Blizzard the last few weeks, but a troll today just set him off. He unloaded on this seven minute rant earlier today that was fucking amazing. I feel for the guy, his videos have been some of my favorite on the Wow lore side. And honestly, I think his theories are better and more thought out writing than anything the WoW writers have come up with in the last damn near decade. Timestamped below.
He deleted his Twitter account after getting into it with MrGM. The whole thing is a mess.
 
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He deleted his Twitter account after getting into it with MrGM. The whole thing is a mess.
So he screams about FORTY YEAR OLD MEN touching WOMEN, but then he deletes his Twitter account over some internet beef? Am I missing some deep lore?

If I were those FORTY YEAR OLD MEN, I'd be shaking all over and my hands would also be all over.
 
So he screams about FORTY YEAR OLD MEN touching WOMEN, but then he deletes his Twitter account over some internet beef? Am I missing some deep lore?

If I were those FORTY YEAR OLD MEN, I'd be shaking all over and my hands would also be all over.
The deep lore is that he took the bait, realized he took the bait, and deleted his twitter to probably deny MrGM and his fans the satisfaction. Engaging with anglos is always a mistake.
 
Pyromancer, long time lore video creator, has been playing FFXIV on stream lately. He's been alluding to his discontent with Blizzard the last few weeks, but a troll today just set him off. He unloaded on this seven minute rant earlier today that was fucking amazing. I feel for the guy, his videos have been some of my favorite on the Wow lore side. And honestly, I think his theories are better and more thought out writing than anything the WoW writers have come up with in the last damn near decade. Timestamped below.
Jesus dude, just play the game.
 
Jesus dude, just play the game.
once a WoWtard always a WoWtard.
yeah, the game totally sucks now because all those people in a charge are allegedly sex pests, it's not like the company and their games have been shit for years, but back then everyone was sucking their dick which made it ok join in (while leeching money off those other WoWtards he now can't stand anymore).
I mean, if blizzard was always full of sex pests that have been working on the game for years, what does it say about them back when the game was still good (ymmv)? does that mean WoW was never good, or that maybe those same sex pests also did good work? how does that work as causation for the game being shit now?
he needs to get some better material, I've already seen the script last year when ubisoft had their sex scandal where suddenly all their games were shit retroactively...

This accusation against Blizzard is a very unusual one, as it says that men would go to the breastfeeding room, to stare at women in there.

What I find odd is that given that a breastfeeding room is there, does that imply that there were on-site daycare services at Blizzard, or would the women just work with their baby along side of them? And why was there not a door lock originally for that room? Accusations like these just add more to the BS meter in terms of believability.
this just reeks like another "omg corporate politics, how do they work?!?". no shit the people bringing in the money will have more pull, officially and implied. that's why it's a fucking hierarchy. also no shit services and other auxiliary departments get cut first, that's not limited to blizzard, and boohoo if those "marginalized groups" were hit harder simply because they couldn't to a less easily cut job. it's like whining about the poor immigrant janitor when a branch gets closed. that's why you don't base business decisions based on fucking feels.
for time off, first and foremost the highest priority is coverage, means less as a codemonkey (although you probably have to hit your quota some way), but the more specialized your job is the less options exist for someone to cover for you, now add in factors like events or crunch time and your superior is even less likely to let you go after a look at the schedule. it's the exact same shit when you don't apply for time off over christmas early enough where no one wants to work you're fucked because someone has to do the job; medical emergency should be an exception, but it's not like companies (in general again) care much about the health of their worker drones, and shitty superiors have been a thing since time immemorial.

"To some degree people have a lot of positive associations and passion with Blizzard,” another source said, “and that makes them identify with the company, which makes a breeding ground for power dynamics and abuse.” - so close and yet so far, you almost had it...

as for the locks, might be something simple like fire or health codes to be still accessible in case of emergency or whatever.
 
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once a WoWtard always a WoWtard.
yeah, the game totally sucks now because all those people in a charge are allegedly sex pests, it's not like the company and their games have been shit for years, but back then everyone was sucking their dick which made it ok join in (while leeching money off those other WoWtards he now can't stand anymore).
I mean, if blizzard was always full of sex pests that have been working on the game for years, what does it say about them back when the game was still good (ymmv)? does that mean WoW was never good, or that maybe those same sex pests also did good work? how does that work as causation for the game being shit now?
he needs to get some better material, I've already seen the script last year when ubisoft had their sex scandal where suddenly all their games were shit retroactively...
That's part of the cognitive dissonance that makes the terminally woke so anxious about everything. Guilt by association is their First Commandment: Bad People cannot do Good Things. Anything created by a Bad Person is a Bad Thing, even if it was a Good Thing before the person became a Bad Person.

You can set your clock by it. Whenever someone does something Bad, you see a rush of morons on social media trying to be the first to declare everything that person did to be "bad", "problematic", or "icky".
 
That's part of the cognitive dissonance that makes the terminally woke so anxious about everything. Guilt by association is their First Commandment: Bad People cannot do Good Things. Anything created by a Bad Person is a Bad Thing, even if it was a Good Thing before the person became a Bad Person.

You can set your clock by it. Whenever someone does something Bad, you see a rush of morons on social media trying to be the first to declare everything that person did to be "bad", "problematic", or "icky".
agreed, but it's sadly not limited to woketards.
as I said saw the exact same thing happening last year (so gotta admit I didn't come up with the point originally) where people were blaming the state of breakpoint on some #metoo'd execs, and the game is too much of a failure and niche to attract many of those people since you run around shooting people and stuff. someone pointed out the same execs also worked on wildlands (which they couldn't stop gushing over) and other critically and commercially acclaimed games, and that their belief "ghost recon will be great again now" was completely retarded.
didn't go anywhere due to official forums but people trying to explain something they already know (the game is shit) in some retarded way and suddenly find a self-convincing excuse to join the "it was always shit" bandwagon is pretty common.
you can see the same effect where suddenly something becomes good after it was considered shit, most "classic" things make that transition, followed by "I was always a fan y'know!"

TLDR: people are retarded, the left is just a part of it.
 
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agreed, but it's sadly not limited to woketards.
as I said saw the exact same thing happening last year (so gotta admit I didn't come up with the point originally) where people were blaming the state of breakpoint on some #metoo'd execs, and the game is too much of a failure and niche to attract many of those people since you run around shooting people and stuff. someone pointed out the same execs also worked on wildlands (which they couldn't stop gushing over) and other critically and commercially acclaimed games, and that their belief "ghost recon will be great again now" was completely retarded.
didn't go anywhere due to official forums but people trying to explain something they already know (the game is shit) in some retarded way and suddenly find a self-convincing excuse to join the "it was always shit" bandwagon is pretty common.
you can see the same effect where suddenly something becomes good after it was considered shit, most "classic" things make that transition, followed by "I was always a fan y'know!"

TLDR: people are retarded, the left is just a part of it.
That's fair. I mentioned the woke because they're the ones pushing it now.

The "base" phenomenon is essentially the same thing that happens when someone abandons their religion or converts to a new one. Instead of simply admitting they were wrong or that they changed their mind, but that their previous position had some points, they must make 100% sure everybody knows how bad that shit was and how smart they are for bailing out/adopting this new position. It's definitely bipartisan, too: you see it a lot with both fedora-tipping "atheists" and born-again nutjobs.
 
The lawsuit's a problem not because WoW's playerbase is particularly woke but because it shows that the game sucks because everyone at Blizzard is running around playing grab-ass instead of actually working on the game. Before this you could always argue that WoW isn't in a good state but the developers are trying their best and it's just a problem of game development being hard. Now it's obvious that the developers are not only not trying their best, they're barely trying at all.

Regardless of how you feel about the sexual harassment allegations or whatever, this is a big breach of trust between the players and the devs.

Anyway, I've been enjoying 9.1 since I'm out of things to do in the Other Game but I don't think I'm going to resub come September. I don't have the autism to push keys with the few ESL holdouts on my faction and I haven't really been able to establish a social foothold in WoW since coming back in late BfA.
 
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Regardless of how you feel about the sexual harassment allegations or whatever, this is a big breach of trust between the players and the devs.
The devs don't owe you shit in terms of their interpersonal relationships and workplace behavior. I barely have enough time to play vidya, let alone time to play the wokescold towards the people who make my vidya.

Here's the deal I have with devs: Make fun games, don't attack me, and I will pretend like you don't exist. Force me to notice you at your own peril.
 
The devs don't owe you shit in terms of their interpersonal relationships and workplace behavior. I barely have enough time to play vidya, let alone time to play the wokescold towards the people who make my vidya.

Here's the deal I have with devs: Make fun games, don't attack me, and I will pretend like you don't exist. Force me to notice you at your own peril.
I'm not talking about distrust in personal conduct. I'm talking about distrust as in, "I, the customer, trust you to stop dicking around at the office and make the game I'm paying you $15 a month for." Ion could be a serial necrophile for all I care.
 
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I'm not talking about distrust in personal conduct. I'm talking about distrust as in, "I, the customer, trust you to stop dicking around at the office and make the game I'm paying you $15 a month for." Ion could be a serial necrophile for all I care.
that has been the case for years tho
"Before this you could always argue that WoW isn't in a good state but the developers are trying their best and it's just a problem of game development being hard." was always bullshit and a convenient lie people who have no clue about game design or development told themselves, especially when it comes to a company with the prestige and money like blizzard. one example: housing.

the thing is most people never played anything else (that was known since around tbc, back during vanilla there was much rejoice that more people are gonna use WoW as a stepping stone, but it turns out it's the wii of mmorgs), so they don't really have a clue about the the state of the game and how little blizzard actually does. blizzdrones eat every shit up as long it has a blue label. why do you think a basic WoW clone like ff14 blows their mind so hard?
 
that has been the case for years tho
"Before this you could always argue that WoW isn't in a good state but the developers are trying their best and it's just a problem of game development being hard." was always bullshit and a convenient lie people who have no clue about game design or development told themselves, especially when it comes to a company with the prestige and money like blizzard. one example: housing.

the thing is most people never played anything else (that was known since around tbc, back during vanilla there was much rejoice that more people are gonna use WoW as a stepping stone, but it turns out it's the wii of mmorgs), so they don't really have a clue about the the state of the game and how little blizzard actually does. blizzdrones eat every shit up as long it has a blue label. why do you think a basic WoW clone like ff14 blows their mind so hard?

I tried ff14 due to all the hype and I honestly can't understand why it is getting all this praise.

It is one of the most dull and boring tab targeting theme parks I've ever played. Like Korean-grinder bad where you move from hallway to hallway killing squirrels and collecting bear asses.
As for the story its literally the 'through the power of friendship we'll defeat the evil empire'- it's trash and I wish we had a decent sandbox MMO like Wurm but less autistic.
 
I tried ff14 due to all the hype and I honestly can't understand why it is getting all this praise.

It is one of the most dull and boring tab targeting theme parks I've ever played. Like Korean-grinder bad where you move from hallway to hallway killing squirrels and collecting bear asses.
As for the story its literally the 'through the power of friendship we'll defeat the evil empire'- it's trash and I wish we had a decent sandbox MMO like Wurm but less autistic.
probably because you have a different taste and expectations, doesn't mean your taste is shit or the game is shit, just different. if your thing are sandboxes with lots of freedom a linear experience like FF14 won't be much fun (same way lot of people don't want to "make their own fun", they pay the entry fee and then want to be entertained in return for that fee, like in a theme park).
it's basically the same discussion people had 20 years ago with EQ vs UO, then WoW happened, made big bucks and that was basically the end of it since you'll get a lot more casuals with the former than the latter (much easier to design and monetize too).
 
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