Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

You view the thousands of people involved in CG as brain-dead robots

Nope. Just the simps. A lot of simps. WarCampaign were cancer for years and a large segment of CG loved them because Ethan loved them. That turned on a dime for a great many when Ethan told them they were trash.

These people got their opinions straight from the teat. That's who I'm talking about.

I don't know if you're one of them and I don't care.

denying the reality behind the experiences that fans had lived through

No one gives a fuck about your 'lived experiences' but I hope writing 2000 words to get this off your chest makes you feel better.

I know that Elliot is not a very healthy man, and he has come on livestream looking like death warmed over in the desert sun, so I kind of consider this a scam donation at this point.

Probably for the best. Elliot has been used as a pawn in the FROG/Doug war.

I imagine he wishes he'd never heard of them at this point.

Most of the CG schisms is about the trash being taken out.

Is the show better with Shane, Lopressti and Malin picking up the slack? I only ever listen to Kiwi linked highlights at 2x for a couple years now.

Streams seem ... less inspired these days.

So I guess you just missed months of daily Hell that was the neverending flame war between War Campaign and large swathes of people in ComicsGate over Anna’s cover? During which time EVS defended and hailed WC, and even went so far as to shut down streams the moment Malin and Cecil started going after WC on his show? You didn’t notice the roiling, seething anger that existed in CG towards WC before WC even started memeing on Anna’s dead sister, which was the final straw that led to EVS turning on them after large numbers of CGers had already turned on WC months earlier?

No, I caught all of that. The number of people who flipped on WC the moment FROG did was truly impressive but it was nothing I hadn't seen before in CG.

If the opinions of people in ComicsGate were wholly controlled by EVS, then there never would’ve been daily flame wars for months on end between War Campaign and the greater part of ComicsGate.

No one said "wholly" except you. I'm genuinely impressed by Ethan's ability to "influence" his base. And it's a rather large base. His easily influenced simps aren't all of CG. Just a massive portion of it.

Sorry I didn't say "not all" for you. I thought that much was obvious.


There certainly are a number of Kiwi's valiantly taking offence on behalf of ComicsGate faithful. Not all heroes wear capes I guess.

 

[The Lonely Man]

No, I caught all of that. The number of people who flipped on WC the moment FROG did was truly impressive but it was nothing I hadn't seen before in CG.

No one said "wholly" except you. I'm genuinely impressed by Ethan's ability to "influence" his base. And it's a rather large base. His easily influenced simps aren't all of CG. Just a massive portion of it.

Sorry I didn't say "not all" for you. I thought that much was obvious.

There certainly are a number of Kiwi's valiantly taking offence on behalf of ComicsGate faithful. Not all heroes wear capes I guess.

It was coincidentally right around the same moment that War Campaign started making fun of a young girl who was murdered right to her sister. Did they flip because EVS said so, or because they just saw WC do something unbelievably fucked up? Wait, why am I asking you? You’d claim CG would’ve turned on Jeffrey Dahmer due to EVS influencing them, too, and not because of the serial killing and cannibalism because you’ve got a weird gay hate boner for EVS. Just rub it out, already, and get out of the closet.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

It was coincidentally right around the same moment that War Campaign started making fun of a young girl who was murdered right to her sister. Did they flip because EVS said so, or because they just saw WC do something unbelievably fucked up? Wait, why am I asking you? You’d claim CG would’ve turned on Jeffrey Dahmer due to EVS influencing them, too, and not because of the serial killing and cannibalism because you’ve got a weird gay hate boner for EVS. Just rub it out, already, and get out of the closet.

You're right about @Newman's Own's obsessive hate boner for @FROG, but lol calm down.
Even @Absurdity & @Newman's Lovechild post in other threads.

 

[Newman's Own]

It was coincidentally right around the same moment that War Campaign started making fun of a young girl who was murdered right to her sister. Did they flip because EVS said so, or because they just saw WC do something unbelievably fucked up? Wait, why am I asking you? You’d claim CG would’ve turned on Jeffrey Dahmer due to EVS influencing them, too, and not because of the serial killing and cannibalism because you’ve got a weird gay hate boner for EVS. Just rub it out, already, and get out of the closet.

WarCampaign was obviously cancer for two straight years before people "realized" it the moment they went after an unsanctioned target. The shit about Anna's sister wasn't even enough until the narrative was changed for them much later. I mean shopping our Boudica into beastiality porn was no biggie but calling a shitty Vampirrella cover shit was a bridge to far.

These people don't formulate their opinions. They wait for them. If it pisses you off to hear that, that's unfortunate.

 

[The Lonely Man]

You know, you’re War Campaign material. You’d absolutely fit in with that gaggle of spergs. Like War Campaign, you don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between memeing douchebags like Edwin and Mike versus torturing some girl who never did anything to them and making fun of her murdered sister. Most normal people, however, recognize that there’s a huge difference between those two things. So yeah, it shouldn’t be a surprise that people who didn’t care that Edwin was being made fun of suddenly had a different reaction when they saw some kid getting tortured over her recently murdered sister.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

It was coincidentally right around the same moment that War Campaign started making fun of a young girl who was murdered right to her sister. Did they flip because EVS said so, or because they just saw WC do something unbelievably fucked up? Wait, why am I asking you? You’d claim CG would’ve turned on Jeffrey Dahmer due to EVS influencing them, too, and not because of the serial killing and cannibalism because you’ve got a weird gay hate boner for EVS. Just rub it out, already, and get out of the closet.

It was months after they started making fun of Anna's sister and only after he asked them to stop many times. Only then were they cast aside, when they didn't comply.

 

[Newman's Own]

torturing some girl who never did anything to them and making fun of her murdered sister

That was months before.

That was not the reason they were sent packing. Have a look back at this thread, it's all documented.

 

[Rupin]

Probably for the best. Elliot has been used as a pawn in the FROG/Doug war.

I imagine he wishes he'd never heard of them at this point.

elliot has no one to blame but himself. It’s been 3 years now. That book should have been completed.

 

[Newman's Own]

elliot has no one to blame but himself. It’s been 3 years now. That book should have been completed.

I agree. I guess I'm just soft because he had that heart attack and fell behind on his bills and had to take other work or not feed his family.

He should have spent more energy promoting. Doomkicker could have been a 6 figure book and it looks like Doug wrote it with a Hollywood pitch in mind and Doug sells screen plays. If Elliot were more focused everyone would be better off.

Still I feel for the guy. He means well I think.

 

[The Lonely Man]

That was months before.

That was not the reason they were sent packing. Have a look back at this thread, it's all documented.

I was there. That wasn’t “months before.”

 

[A nameless trool]

Is the show better with Shane, Lopressti and Malin picking up the slack? I only ever listen to Kiwi linked highlights at 2x for a couple years now.

I hardly listen to EVS streams nowadays. I would listen to a Liam or Nasser stream for the cringe but not EVS.
But yes, I would say it is less retarded.

 

[Absurdity]

All sketchy as fuck.

The Diamond numbers, by the by, are sales to retailers. Note JJM further states...

Further...

So, the good news is JJM has stopped publicly posting his over/under numbers. However, these numbers still kindof suck in terms of market share. Note, for example, that Venom is ten fucking dollars! Even assuming just a quarter of the estimated 282,000 sold to customers, their impact on revenue will be greater due to the greater price point. So your overall revenue can remain constant and not dip despite cuts to both retailers and titles.

Moving over to the interwebs.

I was gone because I have a real life and shit. As such I missed a ton of stuff. Probably the biggest thing I noticed was the Passion of Doug Tennaple. which I have written up my impression here.

Doug Tennaple, for some odd reason, appeared on a Nassar stream with a @VIkkiVerse, Dean, @TheCosmicWarrior , and a certain @FROG

The stream starts with a light tone. Dean and Nassar lament not being closer before Vikki and Doug join. Doug relates he's on a family vacation. He tone deafly relates how awful ComicCon being gone is. He name drops Mike Miller, Mignola, and Billy Tucci.

Nassar, social deficient that he is, inartfully moves straight to business. Doug is present to answer for his willingness to appear on a fan stream and open and honestly. Doug admitted to liking Liam Grey and missing him. This is awful in Pharisee Nassar's opinion as Liam has accused him of being a pedo, among other things. To be fair to Doug, I miss Liam too and would happily choose him over Nassar as Liam is far more entertaining to laugh at.

The Worm Savior of Trump shit immediately denies he knows anything. He is but an innocent waif. A lone voice in the desert of YT calling for audits and lawsuits. The Worm one assures Pharisee Nassar that he personally knows he is not a pedo. Sadducee Dean interjects that Liam is so frothingly retarded that anyone who is around him knows he thinks Nassar is a pedo. Sadducee Vikki interjects that Liam struck Mike's channel and is generally the worst of the worst.

This continues for some time. Pharisee Nassar, realizing that Doug's association with Liam isn't enough than rails that Doug associates with War Campaign! Worm Savior replies that the young Pharisee should grow up and that he sometimes has talked to Ro. The horror. Truly! Anyone who has talked to Ro or WC at any point should be forced to repent! Cough!

The stream continues with Frog Satan appearing at the 25 minute mark. The amphibious wretch is unable to miss a chance to lob stones at his e-enemies. He relates how much Doug hurt his feelings. The stream at this point degenerates to blood sport. Sadducee Jon Del Aroz comes on to cry about War Campaign calling him a white nationalist because he's tied to Vox Day. Vox Day, by the way, posts things like 'securing the existence of the white race and white children.'

Frog Satan forces thru, calling the great Worm everything except a pedo. The Worm, like his hero Mike Pence, takes Frog Satan's tongue lashing in stride until the Evil OneTM attacks his Christianity and tries to invoke the blessed name of Jesus Christ. The Worm, following Jesus' example calls Frog Satan a tard and tells him to eat him!

The Evil OneTM, properly rebuked, slithers back to the chat where reluctant Apostle Mike Miller has taken up position. After seeing Apostle Miller's presence, Pharisee Nassar calls him to testify. Apostle Mike declines, rightly pointing out he has other infinitely better things to do. Failing to obtain someone to make the three on one pillorying look good; the young Pharisee turns his attention to rehashing that the Worm gives bad advice. The Great Worm more or less quotes Ben Kenobi. If the advice was so bad, why keep coming back for it?

Frog Satan is not content with heckling from the chat and pops back in. The Evil OneTM pops in to continue to relitigate events years old. Frog Satan reveals his true feelings that homophobia is on the same level as racism and 'not cool.' Time Stamp 1:35:09 for when he and his simps deny he said it. The Worm One rightly points out that SJWs created the word homophobia. But no. Frog Satan is not convinced. He fails to point to what, exactly is the Worm Prophet's views that differ from a normal Christians. Thus by Frog Satan's logic, any Christian that shares the Worm One's views is Homophobic and the same as a racist?

The stream wraps up with the trial of the Worm One. His many 'sins' laying bare. Associating with bad people, all of whom the members on the panel associated with, not helping people out how they wanted to be helped, and being an E-Thot.

Hail CG?

This really was a great stream. First one I've listened to all the way through in a very long time. Yeah I know I'm an a-log but for the record I do not believe Ethan is actually Satan (The Evil One™ ). Funny synopsis that pokes at everyone's shoulder, Jspit!

1- Just a small reminder that Jon will forever be under the shadow of bad optics and he has no right to expect otherwise. Here is one of my all-time faves from Vox Day: "Of Media and Mudshark Murder" ( https://archive.is/Acb9Y ). I'm all about exposing black hypocrisy but the racial purity shaming is next level. BTW, "Whiteness" and "Blackness" and all other assorted "Ethnics" only have social justice merit based on what you look most like. You're white all the way Jon. Hate to break it to you!

2- "All we do is shit on ComicsGate!" Not the big names. You actively sidestep Ethan now so that claim rings hollow.

3- "Profoundly anti-LGBTQ looks down on JDA for alleged racism" says the profoundly non-Christian Mormon cult refugee who doesn't want to get political. How long is the simp faggotry going to endure for this fake billboard of a man? Ethan almost had a moment of clarity when he was expounding about why Doug left CG (1:30:16). Doug was the "butt of jokes" and he didn't like it. Here's a big life hack for sociopaths such as Heathan Van Skeevy: if you don't have a solid friendship where you understand and respect the other's views, you should avoid making fun of them. That's doubly true if you are poking at core beliefs you don't share. That's taken to the power of ten when engaged in public cross-promotion. Frogbrain didn't get it with Mike and he didn't get it with Doug, Were they thin-skinned and in Doug's case have an ego on par with Ethan's? You bet, but let's not wonder too hard at how dysfunctional Ethan's circus of friends can be. It makes existing problems worse.

4- Doug made at least one good point for Nasser. Every good artist and writer made it without CG. I'll take it one step further, no great writer has ever or ever will come out of Ethan's bullpen. Protip: Ethan isn't a writer. Nasser, you will never be anything more than a whipping boy for someone else until you make it big. That's the reality you accepted upfront to get that shot. You know this, we all know this. Focus on the writing.

5- For what it's worth, Doug put in a decent showing for a 3/4/5-on-1. Very Reaganesque with a lot of "I can't remember, don't know, don't follow" etc. When it comes to Ro and Preston it simply doesn't hold any water. Good points on the rainbow brigade. He kept fairly calm though and didn't duck out early in a 2-hour stream. I would have pressed the Preston issue a lot more though. A lot more.

6- D&V, the less value you will have as commentators the more you get caught up in "promotion". Breadtubing will eventually force you into the latter if that's not already your goal.

A few observations and quotes on the classic Nasser ComicsYeet stream (thanks for reposting that):
- Look at all those people who aren't around anymore! Traitors, all of them.
- Ethan's concerned that "People stop making comics." Good thing this stream was entirely devoted to that cause and nothing else...
- Don't we all miss Donal and that adorable scamp Ro? Has Brutas completely shipped yet?
- "Well I never heard Jon talk like this!" He did exactly what Frog needed him to do and it was only the beginning.
- Cecil talking about Nasser's entitlement. I love it! Que Ethan's fake forced cackle.
- "As funny as Cecil is, he's always right. His assessment about people, his assessment about the situation seems to contain the most wisdom and it's the most honest... what do you think about this situation, do we move on?" Nice display of humble delegation of responsibility!
- "Everytime someone kind of leaves the inner circle here... they don't do so well." Yes. Don't go past Ellis Avenue.

May I add something?
As somebody who was not too invovled into CG and sometimes tuned into EVS streams, I remember myself watching certain people and thinking "Who is this retard?"
For some reason, each and every one of them has been kicked out of CG.
I remember EVS sucking up to Edwin Boyete, talking about his wisdom and I was like "dude is a total whackjob". Same with Ro. Mike was the butt of jokes and clearly not taking it well, Doug was smug and Micah is too dumb to realize how dumb he is.
Most of the CG schisms is about the trash being taken out.

Okay, we've got plenty of dysfunction to go around... but EVS comes out spotless? Is it a perpetual coincidence or cosmic tragedy that innocent EVS finds himself in the midst of drama?

 

[Greed]

It was coincidentally right around the same moment that War Campaign started making fun of a young girl who was murdered right to her sister.

Since when was she murdered? I read she got high and drove a car off a cliff.

 

[Comicsgeist]

It was months after they started making fun of Anna's sister and only after he asked them to stop many times. Only then were they cast aside, when they didn't comply.

I'd imagine that's because they were not just fanatical simps but fanatical purchaser's of product.
Ditching WC probably cost Frog about a hundred grand per campaign.
If you reckon that severing ties with a part of the fan base is going to seriously hurt your wallet you are absolutely going to try to square that circle until the liklihood of trying to do so will cost you more in the long run by alienating the rest of your backers.
It's just about the money.

 

[zyclonPD]

Okay, we've got plenty of dysfunction to go around... but EVS comes out spotless? Is it a perpetual coincidence or cosmic tragedy that innocent EVS finds himself in the midst of drama?

What's the saying? If you smell shit wherever you go, how long before you finally look down and check your own shoes.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Will Doomkicker ever come out?

I'm gonna say no. Not to rehash everything because I've already said it a few times, but Elliot made a huge mistake extending the book from 48 pages to 100+. I told him his shipping costs, printing costs, costs to his colorer and letterer all go up, while he stays on the same deadline for the same pay. But he was dead set on doing it. Now he can't afford to do any of it and keeps taking on other work. He didn't post any updates to backers until I brought this up months ago, and that wasn't much of an update, it was 2 1-minute clips of him "drawing."

Elliot also refused on his cope stream with Mike to let backers know how many pages were finished, and kept saying "It'll be done when it's done." I efaped it on stream before. Funny part was he said "I'm thinking I need to get a regular job outside of comics, maybe something in customer service" yet he can't even give backers any customer service--in fact, he blocked me when I asked for a refund (I don't like to refund books unless it looks like it'll never come out, like this book), and he still hasn't accepted my instagram follow request to the backers-only Doomkicker Instagram where he said updates would supposedly be posted (unclear what has been posted there since he won't accept my follow request and I don't know anyone who's following it).

Seriously, what is this besides a waste of time?

Views.

elliot has no one to blame but himself. It’s been 3 years now. That book should have been completed.

Me and @FROG had said before (either on that cope stream I linked above, or another one around that time) that Elliot should just put out whatever he has done, but I have no clue if Elliot watched that part, or if he watched any of it at all (but I assume he did because I'm blocked). Elliot, if you're reading this, just put out as a 30 page issue and admit you made some mistakes.

Has Brutas completely shipped yet?

No, and I haven't been paid either.

 

[The Lonely Man]

Since when was she murdered? I read she got high and drove a car off a cliff.

I must have misheard, then, or maybe just made the assumption and stuck with it, given that every other time I’ve heard of someone suddenly disappearing, they’ve almost always been murdered. Either way, that doesn’t change the reaction to how they acted. They were still making fun of a dead girl to her sister. And for what, a Vampirella cover that they already spent multiple months engaged in a daily flame war over? War Campaign has only themselves to blame for what happened to them, no one else.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I must have misheard, then, or maybe just made the assumption and stuck with it, given that every other time I’ve heard of someone suddenly disappearing, they’ve almost always been murdered. Either way, that doesn’t change the reaction to how they acted. They were still making fun of a dead girl to her sister. And for what, a Vampirella cover that they already spent multiple months engaged in a daily flame war over? War Campaign has only themselves to blame for what happened to them, no one else.

Nobody is defending WC, just refuting the notion that they went bad overnight and were then shown the door.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Looks like I finally got Starscream to post something with actual substance to it. Of course, that's not an especially high bar to hurdle.

also putting that eye rollingly cringe "Better a frog kicker than a frog licker" under your name (PLEASE NOTICE ME FROGGY!!!).

It's not for Ethan, it's for you and the other simps. See below.

I have gone months without posting in this thread, mostly because people like you have all but ruined it. Maybe you should do the same.

Does that mean you'll fuck off crying again, and take your own tedious, Fortnite-troll tier comments with you?

For anyone to fall for his bs here of all places is endlessly fascinating to me!

If my purpose here is having a weird gay hate boner for Ethan, it's the universe balancing out the just plain weird gay boners that other kiwis have for Ethan. I don't really dig deep into the vast array of other characters and groups that this forum examines, but this thread has got to be relatively unique when a portion of its regular posters are too ready to white knight for the personality that it all congeals around. The man set himself at the centre of things, has his hand in most of the sketchy shit of comicsgate past, and tweaked and perpetuates the true believer/carpetbagger CG culture that ends up with failure as the norm. Yet kiwis will still cry and stomp their feet at people who cry and stomp their feet at him, simply because he doesn't openly sperg out like obvious tards like Liam again, bar, hurdle or because he runs a lame Howard-Stern-wannabe show for seething culchur wohrriors with no life or taste.

Multiple hours of up to nine autists, drunks, dullards, thots and Nasser, all bending the knee, circlejerking, talking over eachother, still crying about Star Wars, demanding indiegogo purity tests, giving hot takes on rebooted shows they never watched the first time, and overall giving a strong impression of the 'tism, avoiding 'eye contact' because they never figured out where their camera is, and because they're too busy keeping watch for superchats.
I have trouble even watching milquetoast Clownfish TV videos anymore, because they drag a two minute news item out to twenty minutes, with all the same talking points and lines. "You're allowed to like it!" CG livestreams would drain me of the will to live at this point, especially reading skimming the reports and analysis here. I still don't know how Smug and Dongs and JSpit endure them for that purpose. You couldn't pay me to watch them.

If that shit is what you 'like', if that's the reason you 'like' Ethan it can't be the comics, one completed, one reprinted in five years you're not really convincing me that I'm the one with the weirdest obsessions and personality defects, and I'll remain an a-log k thx.

Something something actual news something something DC refusing to keel over and let CG dance on its grave just yet lol

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Looks like I finally got Starscream to post something with actual substance to it. Of course, that's not an especially high bar to hurdle.



It's not for Ethan, it's for you and the other simps. See below.



Does that mean you'll fuck off crying again, and take your own tedious, Fortnite-troll tier comments with you?





If my purpose here is having a weird gay hate boner for Ethan, it's the universe balancing out the just plain weird gay boners that other kiwis have for Ethan. I don't really dig deep into the vast array of other characters and groups that this forum examines, but this thread has got to be relatively unique when a portion of its regular posters are too ready to white knight for the personality that it all congeals around. The man set himself at the centre of things, has his hand in most of the sketchy shit of comicsgate past, and tweaked and perpetuates the true believer/carpetbagger CG culture that ends up with failure as the norm. Yet kiwis will still cry and stomp their feet at people who cry and stomp their feet at him, simply because he doesn't openly sperg out like obvious tards like Liam again, bar, hurdle or because he runs a lame Howard-Stern-wannabe show for seething culchur wohrriors with no life or taste.

Multiple hours of up to nine autists, drunks, dullards, thots and Nasser, all bending the knee, circlejerking, talking over eachother, still crying about Star Wars, demanding indiegogo purity tests, giving hot takes on rebooted shows they never watched the first time, and overall giving a strong impression of the 'tism, avoiding 'eye contact' because they never figured out where their camera is, and because they're too busy keeping watch for superchats.
I have trouble even watching milquetoast Clownfish TV videos anymore, because they drag a two minute news item out to twenty minutes, with all the same talking points and lines. "You're allowed to like it!" CG livestreams would drain me of the will to live at this point, especially reading skimming the reports and analysis here. I still don't know how Smug and Dongs and JSpit endure them for that purpose. You couldn't pay me to watch them.

If that shit is what you 'like', if that's the reason you 'like' Ethan it can't be the comics, one completed, one reprinted in five years you're not really convincing me that I'm the one with the weirdest obsessions and personality defects, and I'll remain an a-log k thx.

Something something actual news something something DC refusing to keel over and let CG dance on its grave just yet lol

S Cape’s simping and shilling for EVS is so fucking cringeworthy it beggars belief. More than anything I even see on the CG/associated streams.

I’m not a violent man, but he genuinely deserves a Rambo knife to the face.