Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

even if the "vaccine" did work.

Say what you will about trusting the safety of the vaccines, I completely understand why someone would refuse to take a vaccine that hasn't been approved by the FDA, but saying the vaccine doesn't work is actually retarded. I decided to run through some numbers I found regarding breakthrough cases (here's where I got my numbers from (bottom of the page, Table 1), I look forward to you sperging because I'm not using data from "covidvaccinehoax.tw" or some shit, but at least I can post a fucking source), and according to this data, I found that, out of 133,711,308 people living in the 24 states (source for population numbers) (Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington) and Washington D.C.:
  • There are 66,061,070 vaccinated people, or about 49.4% of the population
    • Among the vaccinated population, there were 62,216 cases, or about 0.094% of the vaccinated population
  • There are 67,650,238 unvaccinated people, or about 50.6% of the population.
    • Among the unvaccinated population, there were 4,896,136 cases, or about 7.237% of the unvaccinated population
So according to this data, for every vaccinated person that gets sick, there are about 78.7 unvaccinated people who will also get sick. So yes, the vaccines do work. However, given your posts in this thread, this was probably about as productive as trying to reason with a brick wall, but at least I tried.
 
So according to this data, for every vaccinated person that gets sick, there are about 78.7 unvaccinated people who will also get sick. So yes, the vaccines do work. However, given your posts in this thread, this was probably about as productive as trying to reason with a brick wall, but at least I tried.
I like the argument these literal retards make that vaccinated people can still spread the virus. So this means basically, I get to not get sick if I get the virus, but literal retards get to die.

This sounds pretty awesome to me, I'm not seeing the minus, die, tards.
 
I like the argument these literal retards make that vaccinated people can still spread the virus. So this means basically, I get to not get sick if I get the virus, but literal retards get to die.

This sounds pretty awesome to me, I'm not seeing the minus, die, tards.
Greatest deal on Earth in my opinion. From anti-medicine religious tards to anti-government schizos, I get to live life while they suffer from self-inflicted consequences.
 
I mean ever since I got the vaccine I have been schmoozing it up having fun and practically returning to normal without me being too worried about contracting or spreading disease to me or my family since we are all vaccinated. The freedom to travel where ever I want and apply to any position I want is there. But somehow we are the ones doomsperging and being retarded about it.
 
Desantis made a pretty good point about the vaccine. The more you over-exaggerated and demonize people who are even slightly hesitant on taking it, the less likely they will be. I feel being honest like him saying "Yeah look you have a good chance of surviving COVID if you're healthy early 20s male, but in my opinion there is just more benefit to taking it" vs "DUDE COVID IS LITERALLY THE BLACK DEATH!"

I personally feel if you have underlying health issues that are related to COVID, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks way way more.

 
It's amazing how this prick doesn't trust doctors but now he does when it's his life on the line
Crowders a known liar so he's likely just anti doctor gimmick as part of his grift to sell overpriced media you can get watching fox news youtube clips. Which is pretty disturbing when I think on it since he's probably aware he might get someone killed trying to own the libs by refusing medical treatment or obstructing attempts at decease control .
 
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Desantis made a pretty good point about the vaccine. The more you over-exaggerated and demonize people who are even slightly hesitant on taking it, the less likely they will be. I feel being honest like him saying "Yeah look you have a good chance of surviving COVID if you're healthy early 20s male, but in my opinion there is just more benefit to taking it" vs "DUDE COVID IS LITERALLY THE BLACK DEATH!"

I personally feel if you have underlying health issues that are related to COVID, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks way way more.

I see so many vaccine-deniers and those hesitant make similar arguments, primarily that Covid isn’t a primary danger TO THEM so taking the vaccine is unnecessary or not worth it. Here’s why this isn’t true:

— it IS still dangerous to young and healthy individuals. That demographic is absolutely still dying from it, though not as much. But to say Covid won’t hurt a healthy individual is very wrong

— vaccines reduce severity of Covid even if you do get it. This means less people staying in hospitals, which means less infrastructure disruption

— allowing Covid to spread generates dangerous mutations and new strains. Though there isn’t any direct evidence of the different Covid variants being more deadly/severe, this is absolutely something that CAN happen, and has vast historical precedent. New mutations are already far more transmissible and slightly resistant to vaccines, and allowing vast populations to be infected is a literal breeding ground for newer, more dangerous variants. This is also why those who caught Covid have gotten infected twice or more

I want to reiterate something that most people know but is important to repeat: society will NOT go back to normal until a large percentage of the population is vaccinated. If this doesnt happen, the past year and a half could extend into 2022 and beyond. And aside from the serious implications of living in lockdown for another year, the human cost will be extremely high. Death and misery for millions. You could say “I’m young and healthy and Covid won’t hurt me”, and odds are you’re correct, but life will be far from normal for years to come, for you too.

Crowders a known liar so he's likely just anti doctor gimmick as part of his grift to sell overpriced media you can get watching fox news youtube clips. Which is pretty disturbing when I think on it since he's probably aware he might get someone killed trying to own the libs by refusing medical treatment or obstructing attempts at decease control .
Crowder is an opportunist in exactly the same way trump is. Trump in particular is very disturbing. Early on, he was a big proponent of vaccines, mostly because he could count it as a political win if they could be distributed within his presidency (operation warp speed). He started getting cagey about them when it became apparent that they would happen until long after his term ended, and constantly whines about how Biden would take credit for them.

Post-presidency, people have been urging Trump to just get on his podium and order everyone to get their shots. And considering how his cult follows his every breath and fart, they likely would. To his credit, he did make some very limp “yeah the shots are probably a good idea but I don’t mind if you don’t get them” announcements early this year, but nothing committal.

think about this for a second: Trump has the power to sway millions of non-vaxxers and help end a massive public health crisis. Why hasn’t he? Because he doesn’t benefit from it. He is most relevant and listened to when he is anti-establishment, contrarian, and loud. He gains nothing from basically saying “do what Biden and Fauci have been saying all along”. In fact, it would likely cost him political capital.

How despicable must one be to refuse to help end this crisis, using a solution HE HIMSELF HELPED CREATE, simply because there’s nothing in it for him?
 
No one needs the Covid "vaccine" as it does NOT prevent people from spreading it.
Nor is it a plauge that is going to wipe out humanity - even if the "vaccine" did work. Do you want to know why I know that Covid is not that big a threat? There are MILLIONS of people who got it and.. get this...lived. (some got it twice and lived) and that number is rising. The number of people getting Covid and dying is in the thousands and diminishing (even taking in the fact that hospitals are lying about the covid 'deaths")

Of-course COVID isn’t going to literally wipe humanity off the face of the planet and nobody is arguing that. You’re being dramatic for the sake of argument. Dramatically stating your opponents argument so yours seems more reasonable in comparison.
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You and I both know the vaccine does prevent the spread. I’m going to have faith in you as a critical thinker and just assume you said this for the sake of trolling. But you know that the vaccine while not 100 percent effective does prevent spread. For exact numbers see posts above mine.
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Yes, people got Covid and lived. Rarely do diseases, even the most lethal ones, have a fatality rate of 100 percent. This argument is just pointless. Thank god the fatality rate of Covid isn’t extremely high otherwise we’d be fuck with the likes of antivaxxers such as yourself running around. I was shocked how weak of a response we had to a pandemic outbreak. And how anti science people were to simple basic epidemiology.
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Hospitals are not lying about Covid deaths. Yes, you might live in a bumfuck nowhere town where your local hospital was struggling but otherwise okay during covid. But your town isn’t the world, lol.
If you lived in a populated place during the height of Covid than your being purposefully ignorant to the strain Covid put on hospitals. Also; a lot of the time it’s not that Covid was deadly. It was that it was pandemic. If 500 people had covid. And 50 of them needed to be placed on a vent. Your hospital only has 10 vents. Well, 40 people shit out of luck. And people don’t just got on a vent for a day or two. They aren’t joking when they say there aren’t enough beds to go around. It hit fast. And it hit sudden. And people are dying to this day.
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Eh, I’m talking to a wall. But I don’t know how to explain to you there is a world outside of your own personal interactions with Covid. Just because you, your family, or your town isn’t in a Covid crises. Doesn’t mean the rest of the world isn’t.
 
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I guess those 600k people in America and millions world-wide were all made up

The virus has never been isolated? lol. There's literally pictures of it on the internet
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Wait til someone tells Wendy about the other vaccinations that the military members are required to take...
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And then everyone at this unnamed totally real court office clapped. And then a bald eagle flew by and said that covid was a hoax. Those women's name? Alberta Einstein
 
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I do wonder; would right-wingers still be against the vaccine if lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing had never been implemented? On one hand, the idea that COVID is just an excuse to take away our freedoms would probably not be so pervasive. On the other hand, a country that did absolutely nothing to check the spread of the virus would probably be in such a bad shape that a vaccine would be of little benefit.
 
I do wonder; would right-wingers still be against the vaccine if lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing had never been implemented? On one hand, the idea that COVID is just an excuse to take away our freedoms would probably not be so pervasive. On the other hand, a country that did absolutely nothing to check the spread of the virus would probably be in such a bad shape that a vaccine would be of little benefit.
If the government stated from the beginning and continually stated it is just the flu and its no big deal go back to work, many of them would hold the opposite opinion and think the government was trying to get them sick with the china virus and that the virus is deadly and dangerous.
 
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If any of this is true, why did Trump push so hard for vaccines during his time in office?
 
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Of course, no doctor with that name exists in the US and there's a doctor named "Ron Mexico" in that same thread:
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(I deleted it but I am sure that had I used "Dr. Terry Bollea" they would've approved it)
 
If the government stated from the beginning and continually stated it is just the flu and its no big deal go back to work, many of them would hold the opposite opinion and think the government was trying to get them sick with the china virus and that the virus is deadly and dangerous.
They may have screeched about the danger, but they probably wouldn't have done anything to protect themselves. Remember, right-wingers hate making any adjustments to their lifestyle and are convinced that GodJesus will protect them from any sort of danger or inconvenience.
 
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