Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Of course, no doctor with that name exists in the US and there's a doctor named "Ron Mexico" in that same thread:
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Lol, that’s Michael Vick’s old psuedonym.

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Who the Heck Is Ron Mexico?

In the middle of the discussion about Anthony Weiner's new sexting scandal and his alleged nickname, "Carlos Danger," people kept bringing up a "Ron Mexico," so it raises the question: who the heck is Ron Mexico?
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mikal said:
Of-course COVID isn’t going to literally wipe humanity off the face of the planet and nobody is arguing that. You’re being dramatic for the sake of argument. Dramatically stating your opponents argument so yours seems more reasonable in comparison.
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You and I both know the vaccine does prevent the spread. I’m going to have faith in you as a critical thinker and just assume you said this for the sake of trolling. But you know that the vaccine while not 100 percent effective does prevent spread. For exact numbers see posts above mine.
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Yes, people got Covid and lived. Rarely do diseases, even the most lethal ones, have a fatality rate of 100 percent. This argument is just pointless. Thank god the fatality rate of Covid isn’t extremely high otherwise we’d be fuck with the likes of antivaxxers such as yourself running around. I was shocked how weak of a response we had to a pandemic outbreak. And how anti science people were to simple basic epidemiology.
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Hospitals are not lying about Covid deaths. Yes, you might live in a bumfuck nowhere town where your local hospital was struggling but otherwise okay during covid. But your town isn’t the world, lol.
If you lived in a populated place during the height of Covid than your being purposefully ignorant to the strain Covid put on hospitals. Also; a lot of the time it’s not that Covid was deadly. It was that it was pandemic. If 500 people had covid. And 50 of them needed to be placed on a vent. Your hospital only has 10 vents. Well, 40 people shit out of luck. And people don’t just got on a vent for a day or two. They aren’t joking when they say there aren’t enough beds to go around. It hit fast. And it hit sudden. And people are dying to this day.
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Eh, I’m talking to a wall. But I don’t know how to explain to you there is a world outside of your own personal interactions with Covid. Just because you, your family, or your town isn’t in a Covid crises. Doesn’t mean the rest of the world isn’t.
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Devil's advocate here. What about how COVID screwed over a lot of small business owners. And if people who felt unsafe, should just stay home?

Fwiffo said:
I see so many vaccine-deniers and those hesitant make similar arguments, primarily that Covid isn’t a primary danger TO THEM so taking the vaccine is unnecessary or not worth it. Here’s why this isn’t true:

— it IS still dangerous to young and healthy individuals. That demographic is absolutely still dying from it, though not as much. But to say Covid won’t hurt a healthy individual is very wrong

— vaccines reduce severity of Covid even if you do get it. This means less people staying in hospitals, which means less infrastructure disruption

— allowing Covid to spread generates dangerous mutations and new strains. Though there isn’t any direct evidence of the different Covid variants being more deadly/severe, this is absolutely something that CAN happen, and has vast historical precedent. New mutations are already far more transmissible and slightly resistant to vaccines, and allowing vast populations to be infected is a literal breeding ground for newer, more dangerous variants. This is also why those who caught Covid have gotten infected twice or more

I want to reiterate something that most people know but is important to repeat: society will NOT go back to normal until a large percentage of the population is vaccinated. If this doesnt happen, the past year and a half could extend into 2022 and beyond. And aside from the serious implications of living in lockdown for another year, the human cost will be extremely high. Death and misery for millions. You could say “I’m young and healthy and Covid won’t hurt me”, and odds are you’re correct, but life will be far from normal for years to come, for you too.
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I was concerned about the vaccine and it's side effects. It also didn't help when everybody who had even slight concerns was equated with the qanon type people.

I asked my friend who is a MD, about it and I was a lot more confident when hesaid "Dude you're in your early 20s, you'll be fine but imo just take it because the benefit outweighs the risks" which promoted me to take it because I do have some underlying health issues.
 
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John Merston said:
I do wonder; would right-wingers still be against the vaccine if lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing had never been implemented? On one hand, the idea that COVID is just an excuse to take away our freedoms would probably not be so pervasive. On the other hand, a country that did absolutely nothing to check the spread of the virus would probably be in such a bad shape that a vaccine would be of little benefit.
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Disheveled Human said:
If the government stated from the beginning and continually stated it is just the flu and its no big deal go back to work, many of them would hold the opposite opinion and think the government was trying to get them sick with the china virus and that the virus is deadly and dangerous.
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This really depends on who is heading the government because if it was someone they didn't like, they'd scream about the government killing people. If it was someone like Trump, they'd defend that.
 
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AuthenticItalian said:
I was concerned about the vaccine and it's side effects. It also didn't help when everybody who had even slight concerns was equated with the qanon type people.

I asked my friend who is a MD, about it and I was a lot more confident when hesaid "Dude you're in your early 20s, you'll be fine but imo just take it because the benefit outweighs the risks" which promoted me to take it because I do have some underlying health issues.
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Most people who are "concerned" won't even listen to an MD when they ask and instead get their health advice from schizos on /pol/. Nothing wrong with asking your doctor, but if you're just gonna ignore the answer because some basement dwelling white supremacist told you that the vaccine is bad, then you're a tard
 
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John Merston said:
I do wonder; would right-wingers still be against the vaccine if lockdowns, mask mandates, and social distancing had never been implemented? On one hand, the idea that COVID is just an excuse to take away our freedoms would probably not be so pervasive. On the other hand, a country that did absolutely nothing to check the spread of the virus would probably be in such a bad shape that a vaccine would be of little benefit.
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I don't think it's a clear cut left/right thing everywhere. From who I've talked to personally people's opinions on the safety/efficacy of the vax itself don't correlate with their politics much at all, it's not until you mention vax passports that you start noticing more of a left/right split. America's hyper partisan political autism has always been a thing but with normies getting in on the action in the last decade thanks to social media, everything around the coof has become far more political there than it really has to be. Going to one extreme or the other solely because you want to be as diametrically opposed to a political party you hate as possible is a retarded approach, I think we can all agree on that much.
 
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mikal said:
Of-course COVID isn’t going to literally wipe humanity off the face of the planet and nobody is arguing that. You’re being dramatic for the sake of argument. Dramatically stating your opponents argument so yours seems more reasonable in comparison.
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You and I both know the vaccine does prevent the spread. I’m going to have faith in you as a critical thinker and just assume you said this for the sake of trolling. But you know that the vaccine while not 100 percent effective does prevent spread. For exact numbers see posts above mine.
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Yes, people got Covid and lived. Rarely do diseases, even the most lethal ones, have a fatality rate of 100 percent. This argument is just pointless. Thank god the fatality rate of Covid isn’t extremely high otherwise we’d be fuck with the likes of antivaxxers such as yourself running around. I was shocked how weak of a response we had to a pandemic outbreak. And how anti science people were to simple basic epidemiology.
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Hospitals are not lying about Covid deaths. Yes, you might live in a bumfuck nowhere town where your local hospital was struggling but otherwise okay during covid. But your town isn’t the world, lol.
If you lived in a populated place during the height of Covid than your being purposefully ignorant to the strain Covid put on hospitals. Also; a lot of the time it’s not that Covid was deadly. It was that it was pandemic. If 500 people had covid. And 50 of them needed to be placed on a vent. Your hospital only has 10 vents. Well, 40 people shit out of luck. And people don’t just got on a vent for a day or two. They aren’t joking when they say there aren’t enough beds to go around. It hit fast. And it hit sudden. And people are dying to this day.
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Eh, I’m talking to a wall. But I don’t know how to explain to you there is a world outside of your own personal interactions with Covid. Just because you, your family, or your town isn’t in a Covid crises. Doesn’t mean the rest of the world isn’t.
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If covid is not going to wipe out humanity, then there is literally no other reason to get the "vaccine"
 
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Absolutely floored by this dude denying basic germ theory to own the libs.

And yes, I saw someone post this unironically.
 
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JaneThough said:
We literally catch fatal diseases all the time walking past people in shops but we don't die because science.
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I mean, yeah, technically. I'm not too well versed on viruses and the like but we have an immune system for a reason. We might encounter a lot of very nasty germs just out and about, but through our natural immune systems, vaccinations, and basic hygine they're usually little trouble for us. Back before that, people DID literally die all the time during pandemics spreading through the air, how do you think Black Death killed off half of Europe in just a few years?
 
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I hate when people say "either get the vax or we'll never get back to normal life, you'll stay at home forever!!"

Honey I got it but I also genuinely enjoy this spergy shutin lifestyle, fuck going to bars/parties and having to interact with douchebags and annoying people when I can sip wine that doesn't cost as much for a single glass as an entire bottle does at the store and relax/work on my hobbies at home.
 
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Kornula said:
If covid is not going to wipe out humanity, then there is literally no other reason to get the "vaccine"
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None of the other infectious diseases throughout human history would wipe out humanity. Captain Trips isn’t real. Why did we bother making vaccines for any other disease then?

Also, can you explain why you put vaccine in quotes? Do you not believe it’s a real vaccine?

Ol Dirty Fatso said:
I hate when people say "either get the vax or we'll never get back to normal life, you'll stay at home forever!!"

Honey I got it but I also genuinely enjoy this spergy shutin lifestyle, fuck going to bars/parties and having to interact with douchebags and annoying people when I can sip wine that doesn't cost as much for a single glass as an entire bottle does at the store and relax/work on my hobbies at home.
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“Sure vaccines COULD save thousands of lives and fix the greatest public health crisis in a century, but then I couldn’t autistically paint 40k figures all the time, so…”
 
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Kornula said:
If covid is not going to wipe out humanity, then there is literally no other reason to get the "vaccine"
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Once again I am mind fucked by how people can’t and won’t see what a miracle vaccines are to modern medicine. For my own sanity I have to believe this is bait. However, I am also sympathetic that people can be ignorant to the history of vaccines and their importance. (I don’t mean to use ignorant in an insulting way I’m just trying to be compassionate that not everybody is aware of how medicine works). If you truly want to know why this vaccine and vaccines in general are important to medicine I strongly encourage you to read about the history of vaccines. Humans have been using vaccines (even primitive ones) back even before the 1800s.
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But, to relate it to something to why THIS particular vaccine is important is that in theory if we can reach a heard immunity BEFORE vast mutation we as a society can effectively kill this SARS virus. A lot of people are quick to say “it’s just a flu” bro without acknowledging the yearly death toll of the flu that is incredibly hard to vaccinate against because of the various mutations. We, ideally, do not want Covid to get to this point. However, science deniers as yourself are making this extremely hard. And though I continue to encourage people to get vaccinated so we won’t have a yearly death toll that could be avoided. It seems the variants are already upon us. (The same variants we were warning were going to happen last year when we were told it was just a flu and not to worry about it). Well, here we are. People refusing to get vaccinated. High death tolls. And variants popping up from not being able to reach immunity.
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Really, when it comes down to it. You should get vaccinated out of compassion, self preservation, and frankly using logic for favorable outcomes - but I guess logic and compassion is asking to much of some people.
 
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Kornula said:
If covid is not going to wipe out humanity, then there is literally no other reason to get the "vaccine"
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So if ebola became widespread you wouldn't want people to get vaccinated? It's only a 90% death rate.

Or if rabies became airborne you wouldn't want a vaccine for it? It's only 99.99999% fatal.

Disheveled Human said:
Its another twitter doctor AKA not a doctor.
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He's as much a doctor as Dr. Ron Mexico and Dr. Hulk Hogan. His Twitter even says it's a parody account
 
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