Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

So Lucas says that he walked around a lot, and did art therapy, basically drawing with markers like a 6-year-old.

He's got to be hiding the real story of therapy, right? There's no possible way that someone with his serious mental problems gets dragged into a psych facility and they don't even try to do a deep dive into what's wrong with him, right?

I mean, this is Lucas simply not wanting to talk about the stuff that makes him look bad and crazy, right?

Because if this is anywhere near true, if the psych wards in Spokane take Lucas in, and their treatment for him is letting him cool off by drawing with crayons, and loading him up with drugs, that's a pretty sad statement on the nature of treatment in the mental health system.

I'm thinking he's lying and hiding things, because I doubt they would dose him with drugs that hardcore and specific, without any sort of analysis.

Lucas just doesn't want to talk about the sort of stuff that he tells psychiatrists. Which is one of the reasons why these sort of conversations are my holy Grail of Wernalia.
Honestly, I am not sure he is lying. We have to remember that Lucas is a repeat customer in the mental health hospitals and programs, has been very resistant to treatment, and is on the public dime. They honestly may have reviewed his history and just said "do the minimal" get the cow out of there and know he will be back, probably sooner than later.

They may just think he is not worth the trouble. Maybe he is lying, but I can see it going down like that.
 
The oldest Gen Alpha children would be 8 years now, so he will have to fixate on those Gen Z bigots a little longer.
Why? Lucas is a self described “pedo who is resisting the urge.” He thinks he hears 4 year olds whispering about sex. I’ve heard Depakote can make hallucinations worse, but hopefully not in his case. Whoever got him to submit to being medicated is doing yeoman’s work.
 
Honestly, I am not sure he is lying. We have to remember that Lucas is a repeat customer in the mental health hospitals and programs, has been very resistant to treatment, and is on the public dime. They honestly may have reviewed his history and just said "do the minimal" get the cow out of there and know he will be back, probably sooner than later.

They may just think he is not worth the trouble. Maybe he is lying, but I can see it going down like that.
I too don't believe he's lying. Around the 15:40 mark in the video Skeletor starts talking about mental health in Spokane. At approx the 16:11 mark Lucas says "the mental health system here is great". For Lucas to think/say the mental health system in Spokane is "great" says to me he has never received the kind of mental health treatment he really needs.
 
Another point about that comment with the "potential wives". Lucas read something about Gen Z women being lonely. I'm assuming this was an article about general trends in dating among young people, increased isolation/alienation/difficulty connecting in a meaningful way due to some aspects of social media or whatever the fuck. God knows there are a million articles like that trying to say something about the intersection of technology, culture, and love in Current Year and what-have-you. Lucas read that and personalized it in such a weird way. "My Gen Z wife is lonely! She is missing me, her true lover, alas that she does not know I exist..." Like he read an article (edit: or let's be real, he read the headline) saying some poll showed that more Gen Z women were self-reporting feelings of loneliness or something, and his heart broke imagining all those sexy teenagers sadly sighing as they look out their window up at the moon, the same moon that he is looking at from under a bridge near the bus stop
 
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Skeletor really did a good job on this interview. My favorite part was when Lucas was going on about how he loves being on the "bully pulpit" about standing up for blacks, women, and asians. When Skeletor asked "well, how about standing up for the working man?" That question went 100 feet over Lucas's head. Skeletor was basically referring to how the working people's taxes are going to burdens on soceity like Lucas. Lucas replied "yes, I would be all about worker solidarity".

Lucas is still the same lolcow as he was before. He needs to head on down to Metro PCS and get another Android phone. Maybe Isik will also be unsuccessfully discharged from substance abuse treatment too?

Skeletor 100% has devoured this thread. He basically reversed course and addressed every suggestion and criticism KF talked about after the first interview. He brought up that he doesn't go out of his way to talk to Lucas, that he doesn't bribe him with food, etc., he talked about the issues with the first vid and why he did a 'non-live' live video, and he actually called Lucas on a lot of his bullshit.

And that's a good thing. I actually think Skeletor did the best job of any of the weirdos that have tried to interview Lucas. He actually challenged him but did so in a way that Lucas thought he was still his buddy. Lucas has a tendency of shutting down and/or hanging up the phone when challenged in an aggressive, adversarial way.

I'm sure part of it is also that Lucas is a little more reasonable when he's on his meds. He still has all the crazy thoughts but he's not sperging uncontrollably and incoherently like he does when he's not on them.
 
So Lucas says that he walked around a lot, and did art therapy, basically drawing with markers like a 6-year-old.

He's got to be hiding the real story of therapy, right? There's no possible way that someone with his serious mental problems gets dragged into a psych facility and they don't even try to do a deep dive into what's wrong with him, right?
Lucas' experience was near verbatim like my stay in the mental hospital.

Mental hospitals are for keeping crazy people safe from themselves and others, not really for deep diagnoses beyond being given meds to potentially briefly pacify any future safety problems.

Until Lucas actually wants help, or he commits a serious crime and his hand is forced, not much can be done.
 
Lucas' experience was near verbatim like my stay in the mental hospital.

Mental hospitals are for keeping crazy people safe from themselves and others, not really for deep diagnoses beyond being given meds to potentially briefly pacify any future safety problems.

Until Lucas actually wants help, or he commits a serious crime and his hand is forced, not much can be done.
If you don’t mind me asking did you have to stay long? I was sent to the mental hospital once for some hysterical outburst I had in a therapists office and waited around for hours to eventually be told I didn’t need to be there so my experience was brief. Fortunately it was nothing that needed chemical treatment just the situation around me at that time in my life which was crazy. They were trying to evaluate if I was stable which I was. I guess if they determine you are in need of stabilizing you stay until you are no longer an active volcano.

edit: some fucking dude at the mall today yelling I need a shotgun and ranting about society pretty sure they need stabilizing without much stopping them from acting erratic in a public space they’ll probably take him to the nut hut and dope him up until he chills out. But people like that need something more long term except like you say not much can be done unless they choose to accept treatment.
 
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I think this interview might be the most down to earth and self aware I've ever seen Lucas, at least that I can remember. Those man boobs are really blowing up, you need to get a girdle or something for that shit Lucas god damn. How proper for a cow like him to have milkers that fat.
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If you don’t mind me asking did you have to stay long? I was sent to the mental hospital once for some hysterical outburst I had in a therapists office and waited around for hours to eventually be told I didn’t need to be there so my experience was brief. Fortunately it was nothing that needed chemical treatment just the situation around me at that time in my life which was crazy. They were trying to evaluate if I was stable which I was. I guess if they determine you are in need of stabilizing you stay until you are no longer an active volcano.

edit: some fucking dude at the mall today yelling I need a shotgun and ranting about society pretty sure they need stabilizing without much stopping them from acting erratic in a public space they’ll probably take him to the nut hut and dope him up until he chills out. But people like that need something more long term except like you say not much can be done unless they choose to accept treatment.
I was involuntarily admitted for 20 days due to a suicide attempt, and that was short compared to most of people I was with. Length of stay can vary for many reasons... my state has longer limitations, and there was ample room for more patients.
 
I was involuntarily admitted for 20 days due to a suicide attempt, and that was short compared to most of people I was with. Length of stay can vary for many reasons... my state has longer limitations, and there was ample room for more patients.
Hoping you are better now that’s rough. I mean to bring it back to Lucas it’s ridiculous that he puts his scissor suicide threat as a fault of Gen Z in that interview. He calls it an attempt but I have doubts any of those three times he mentioned were attempts. Big difference I think between ideation and the real thing. I could be wrong but I don’t know what Lucas has ever done in this way that is serious.
 
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I think this interview might be the most down to earth and self aware I've ever seen Lucas, at least that I can remember. Those man boobs are really blowing up, you need to get a girdle or something for that shit Lucas god damn. How proper for a cow like him to have milkers that fat.
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....Isn't that first one the same look he did when he was doing his super powerful seduction move awhile back that he claimed was so good at seducing people that he had to keep his eyes closed while doing it?
 
....Isn't that first one the same look he did when he was doing his super powerful seduction move awhile back that he claimed was so good at seducing people that he had to keep his eyes closed while doing it?
LOL this is one of my favorite videos of his for some reason. I can't put my finger on why it's funnier than a lot of his insane bullshit but it is. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought he said something about it giving him a boner if he didn't? Like I said I could be wrong but I thought so.
 
I think this interview might be the most down to earth and self aware I've ever seen Lucas, at least that I can remember. Those man boobs are really blowing up, you need to get a girdle or something for that shit Lucas god damn. How proper for a cow like him to have milkers that fat.
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Looks like he's at least up to a DD down at grandma height. If a lift isn't in the cards, he should at least invest in a good push up bra.

LOL this is one of my favorite videos of his for some reason. I can't put my finger on why it's funnier than a lot of his insane bullshit but it is. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought he said something about it giving him a boner if he didn't? Like I said I could be wrong but I thought so.

You're not misremembering, he said that.

 
So Lucas says that he walked around a lot, and did art therapy, basically drawing with markers like a 6-year-old.

He's got to be hiding the real story of therapy, right? There's no possible way that someone with his serious mental problems gets dragged into a psych facility and they don't even try to do a deep dive into what's wrong with him, right?

I mean, this is Lucas simply not wanting to talk about the stuff that makes him look bad and crazy, right?

Because if this is anywhere near true, if the psych wards in Spokane take Lucas in, and their treatment for him is letting him cool off by drawing with crayons, and loading him up with drugs, that's a pretty sad statement on the nature of treatment in the mental health system.

I'm thinking he's lying and hiding things, because I doubt they would dose him with drugs that hardcore and specific, without any sort of analysis.

Lucas just doesn't want to talk about the sort of stuff that he tells psychiatrists. Which is one of the reasons why these sort of conversations are my holy Grail of Wernalia.


I don’t think he is lying and what he is saying pretty much matches up with contemporary mental health practices. Lengthy inpatient stays (i.e. more than 30 days) require one of two conditions being met: (i) the person is either a continuous danger to themselves/others or (ii) they voluntarily stay and someone is footing the bill. Since Lucas is indigent and on the dole, (ii) will never happen unless his circumstances change radically. So the question at hand is, “Does Lucas pose a danger to himself and others?”

Big picture? I think him getting charged with some kind of assault on a young woman is an inevitability. Yet, what I think doesn’t mean shit when it comes to forensic psychiatry and American jurisprudence. Lucas’ right to due process and the relevant legal standards that have to be met pretty much guarantees that he’ll never be deemed that much of a risk to trigger the legal process to keep him for a lengthy involuntary stay. He’ll need to commit some kind of crime that carries consequences above and beyond the nuisance shit he catches paper for.

Lucas was brought in for ostensibly making statements about suicide and with a diagnosis of bi-polar, that is a garden variety admission seen on a daily basis. Typically being suicidal is a transitory state and the majority of people with or without a diagnosed mental illness won’t stay suicidal past a 72 hour hold and almost no one can go longer than 14 days in such a state. Those who do manage to stay in the state for longer than 14 days transcend the usual categories and doctors, judges, families, and patient advocates are usually on the same page in those circumstances. At that point neurologists are being consulted, expensive brain imaging is being done, and so on.

The game plan with someone who is suicidal is pretty much keep them safe, medicate them, and observe. Even if they refuse all medication and simply stare at the wall, the suicidal state is going to pass and when it does, the staff start planning your discharge. If you are no longer suicidal and you don’t want to be there, they pretty much have to release you unless there are mitigating reasons. Lucas and his lack of housing is a potential one, his diabetes could be another, perhaps they started him on a new medication with serious side effects that merited a longer stay, all sorts of things.

Lucas' narcissism or whatever personality disorders he has wouldn’t be a reason. The crazy shit we read and hear from him does not even begin to meet the criteria for a delusional disorder by a meaningful diagnostic tool that has doubtless been administered to him more than once already. Realistically, there aren't any effective treatments for what keeps Lucas obsessing about young women and fertility. He will always be like this, no matter what his personal circumstances are. Theoretically, there are therapies that could help him manage whatever his personality issue is, but even if it was made available to Lucas, he’d never stick to it.

Lucas left the hospital with at least two things in his possession: a script for a variety of medications for his physical and mental health, and a referral for continued treatment with some kind of professional like a social worker or licensed therapist. He will disregard both and in lieu of that will eat far outside his budget and get high on legal pot.
 
Credit to Skeletor that Lucas interview was well done. I like how he said he was homeless too at one point and he worked, got a car to sleep in and eventually an apartment. It was a nice subtle way to point out that Lucas has done fuck all to improve his lot in life. Also hearing Lucas’s delusions about making $4000 as an insult comic/vlogger was pretty funny. I doubt a lot of quality YouTubers even make that much. Working a full time slightly better than minimum wage job might pull in $2200-2500/month at most. Lucas would have to be making $25 per hour working 40 hours a week. The best he can muster is $25 a week at best and a few bucks on patreon.

I wonder what chance he actually has at being wrangled back into a stable housing situation. It would be good for him if he stuck with his meds and didn’t antagonize his neighbours. I pity the people who’d have to smell the odours from his place though.

Edit: the way Lucas was talking so passionately about how people need to know this made me think what a great Onion article headline this would make, local bum recently released from psych ward claims urgent need for understanding of studies showing longer telomeres in older men create healthy stronger baby DNA.
 
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For some reason I'm not optimistic that this new chapter of Wernology will see Lucas finally getting another phone and things getting back to what his "normal" is, but hopefully I'm wrong about that. If he does though, one thing I am optimistic about is us watching this little sliver of lucidity he's attained through taking his meds just slip away more and more every video until he's back to screaming at cars driving by about how bigoted they are.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Could this be the time he stays on his meds, becomes coherent and starts taking objectively good advice? Well, a certain phrase about cards comes to mind.
 
Still radio silence from Tubby on social media. We know he can access his Youtube page, because he leaves comments from there. I guess the Spokane area Kiwis need to keep their eyes open for new attraction signs. Also, I wonder if Lucas had made his way to the Spokane Transit lost and found to retrieve his confiscated pair of scissors?
 
Still radio silence from Tubby on social media. We know he can access his Youtube page, because he leaves comments from there. I guess the Spokane area Kiwis need to keep their eyes open for new attraction signs. Also, I wonder if Lucas had made his way to the Spokane Transit lost and found to retrieve his confiscated pair of scissors?
His last court date is Aug 17. If his silence is connected to his court case he'll wait till after that date to go back to his usual.
 
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