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I was looking on the CDC's website and came across some data that I thought was interesting. It shows the total number of COVID related deaths, and deaths related to pneumonia; for clarity, I'm separating the two although there is a section in the data set that combines them (there's also status for influenza.) It is covering a start date of the beginning of 2020 up to the very end of July 2021 (last updated on the 4th of August, 2021.)

The tl;dr version (don't worry, I'll make this part green since this whole post probably looks fucked) according to the numbers is that in every age group from 0-24 there have been more pneumonia related deaths than ones from COVID. It also says there have been slightly more pneumonia deaths (205) for those aged 18-29, but slightly more COVID deaths (90) for those ranged 25-34. For all of the talk about kids dying of COVID it says that for those aged 0-17 there have been a total of 349 deaths; this is less than half the number (842) of those who've died of pneumonia, but nearly double the number (188,) of those who've died of the flu.

It should be noted that in the footnotes of the tables I'm going to link below, it does say: "Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis, and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more" so the numbers are surely a little different now, but I wouldn't imagine by a whole lot.

Before anyone grafts statements onto me that I'm not making, I will add the following:
- these numbers don't talk about deaths pre/post-vaccine rollouts
- they don't talk about death numbers relating to those who have been vaxed or not or who have other conditions
- you will never be a real woman
- it doesn't show deaths for people aged 65+ (I can only infer the numbers for the grand total account for these)

Link to the table (I will also post a screenshot of it here in a spoiler):

I had to merge to screenshots together which is why it's a little sloppy. It's otherwise unedited in any way (other than making the titles completely visible whereas you have to actually manually do it on the CDC's site.)
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Ok I’m a dummy. Are these pneumonia deaths out of the norm? Are they being miscounted or something, I don’t get it.
 
TL:biggrin:R but they never do. because those same rural and blue collar boys who sign up to serve their country will shut the fuck up and point a gun at the head of the neighbors dog and daughter if their officer commands them to.
Go ask the Tsar how well that worked for him in 1917. But it's not happening because things have to get much, much, much worse before your average citizen totally loses faith in the democratic process and the institutions of this country.
So now that it's schooltime in parts of the country, thousands of panicked parents are yanking their children out of the classroom and chimping out all over social media because muh kids can't be vaccinated.

Really I just feel so bad for this generation, at least the ones raised by Branch Covidians who haven't let their kids play with friends, attend school, or do anything normal for 18+ months. They're either going to go full agoraphobe or become adrenaline-junkie rebels....or maybe suicide bombers in Minecraft someday.
One of my favorite contradictions is how these people are so fucking obsessed with making everyone wear a mask and get vaccinated because "it's totally effective" or something. I mean if it's so effective, then why don't you (or your unfortunate kid) just do it and why are you so worried about people not doing it? Anyone who isn't doing it is obviously a The Science-hating QAnon Drumpfist MAGAnazi who deserves what they get, so what's the problem?
So a few posters were talking about ways to prevent getting covid. Viatmin d3 at 5000iu a day and melatonin? Did I get that right?


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It doesn't prevent you from getting the Chinese virus, but it does mean that if you do get it you'll probably have much lighter symptoms and be free of the disease faster than otherwise. It's worth taking vitamin D anyway because you're probably deficient in it if you don't go outside much.

But I wouldn't recommend that high of a dose unless you actually have been exposed/are sick with the Chinavirus. Don't do anything more than 2000 IU a day because it can fuck up your sleep. There was a post a few pages back about vitamin D fucking up sleep, and I've been having bad insomnia these past few months. Turns out the cause is probably that I'm getting too much vitamin D because in the summer time I'm getting a lot more sun exposure because of the longer days. Your vitamin D levels fluctuate with the season, which is incidentally why the Chinese virus seems to be more deadly/spreads faster in the winter--it's causing worse infections (therefore more testing) and more deaths because people have lower levels of vitamin D.
 
It doesn't prevent you from getting the Chinese virus, but it does mean that if you do get it you'll probably have much lighter symptoms and be free of the disease faster than otherwise. It's worth taking vitamin D anyway because you're probably deficient in it if you don't go outside much.

But I wouldn't recommend that high of a dose unless you actually have been exposed/are sick with the Chinavirus. Don't do anything more than 2000 IU a day because it can fuck up your sleep. There was a post a few pages back about vitamin D fucking up sleep, and I've been having bad insomnia these past few months. Turns out the cause is probably that I'm getting too much vitamin D because in the summer time I'm getting a lot more sun exposure because of the longer days. Your vitamin D levels fluctuate with the season, which is incidentally why the Chinese virus seems to be more deadly/spreads faster in the winter--it's causing worse infections (therefore more testing) and more deaths because people have lower levels of vitamin D.
Well that's good to know. I bought a 5000iu bottle and was gonna start taking a pill a day. Probably don't need to since my multivitamin has 1000ius in it already.
 
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Your average darky isn't taking medicine offered by whitey, that ship has sailed a looooooong time ago.

IF they do push to get blacks vaccinated, by using a new strain that attacks melanin or makes black people susceptible because they're black (like how sickle cell gets them more than whites), or some other bullshit, then i am 100% on the conspiracy theory that these vaccines are either a form of control or depopulation.
That's the real conflict for me.
Why is this vaccine so important to the them? If the start find new ways of vetting niggos to take the faxccine I agree with you. Something is seriously wrong
 
I take it that we will not see massive civil disobedience campaigns after this.


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Meawhile the rural areas still had things under control with redneck posses helping local police and the military shoot zombies and help maintain control.
I feel robbed, this is downright comfy. Imagine drinking hot coffee in the crisp air, and shooting zombies beside your buddy with your freshly cleaned rifle for an afternoon. That's the pandemic we deserved, not this bullshit! A simpler time, when men were men, and we weren't subjected to daily psychological warfare.
 

I truly don't understand the liberal pro-mask Obama mask critic brigade, even from the position of their own soapbox.

They claim that Obama did something "unsafe," even though all safety measures (except for masks) were followed, as far as I can tell. Everyone in attendance had gotten the precious jab, and were tested before attendance. That means everyone was fully aware of the risk involved, trusted the vaccine to work, and well, made an adult decision to go "maskless" (which is terrifyingly now a term).

They also claim that it's "bad optics" for a prominent Democrat elite to be seen in a large gathering without a mask, as they want everyone to wear masks indefinitely...which I assume is the endgame. The Big Bad Evil Republican states refuse to wear them, even though just a few weeks ago the CDC said it was fine for vaxxed people to not wear them but we memory hole'd that pretty quickly, I guess.
 
Funny thing happened while KiwiFarms was down:
A number of memes about the US losing the War on Drugs popped up on my FB timeline. Agree or disagree its pretty crazy to think that 30+ years ago it seemed like a great idea and now its looked upon as an outright failure, even by people against legalization.

I don't think there will be magical rubicon-crossing moment when all the pro-lockdown. pro-vaccine mandate elites get Minecrafted; and I certainly don't believe there will be a magic moment when enough good little citizens who live in a society comply with enough restrictions so that their benevolent overlords decided to open back to normal again.
No, this shit will be a back-and-forth struggle, a constant looming state of being for decades to come until a new generation quietly acknowledges it was a dumb idea and finds a way to "lose with dignity" when the virus inevitably wins.

Cheers boys & girls, here's to witnessing the start of the War on Viral Evolution!
Doubtful, it will remain in play only as long as the current regime lasts. It might stay in power for another few decades, but the way its been faltering as of late clown world regime is on its last legs. People are already mocking if not outright declaring their disdain for it in mass; I'm not a boomer so I don't remember much about the "war on drugs" outside of D.A.R.E being uncool, however from my limited knowledge of it that's about as far as public disapproval went "its not cool bro". Just don't be a pussy and say what you think when people ask you(with some prudence of course), the more people who air their grievances the faster and more likely this whole nonsense is to stop.
 
The numbers are still low, elections are coming closer, so obviously our government has to push through some fancy new bullshit.
So there's the "minister conference" here, a non-constitutional conference of the state ministers, and today they're gonna decide a few things. The pandemic emergency situation will end after its last extension mid September, and they're preemptively extending it for another three months.
Furthermore, they're apparently taking away state rights. Some states have dropped mask mandates in low incidence areas, looks like the federal government wants to put an end to that.
Unvaccinated people will need a daily-fresh Coof test for things like indoor dining, hairdressers, church, hotels, gyms, or pretty much anything. Also, they'll need to pay for those tests starting October, between 15 und 45 euros. Allegedly those rules will be dropped below a certain incidence, but that incidence isn't defined yet. Probably below 10 or some other utopian number that can be practically never reached for longer times.
The pandemic is practically permanent with this.
I don't see a way to end this that doesn't involve mass graves.
 
The numbers are still low, elections are coming closer, so obviously our government has to push through some fancy new bullshit.
So there's the "minister conference" here, a non-constitutional conference of the state ministers, and today they're gonna decide a few things. The pandemic emergency situation will end after its last extension mid September, and they're preemptively extending it for another three months.
Furthermore, they're apparently taking away state rights. Some states have dropped mask mandates in low incidence areas, looks like the federal government wants to put an end to that.
Unvaccinated people will need a daily-fresh Coof test for things like indoor dining, hairdressers, church, hotels, gyms, or pretty much anything. Also, they'll need to pay for those tests starting October, between 15 und 45 euros. Allegedly those rules will be dropped below a certain incidence, but that incidence isn't defined yet. Probably below 10 or some other utopian number that can be practically never reached for longer times.
The pandemic is practically permanent with this.
I don't see a way to end this that doesn't involve mass graves.
Get the jab or get broke doing all those tests. How fun.
 
Get the jab or get broke doing all those tests. How fun.
Yup. I'm a bit ashamed that I said "Fuck it", the hassle is not gonna be worth it", and got the jab. Second one coming up day after tomorrow.
Three things might happen:
1. Everything is fine, I won't get hassled anymore.
2. Everything is fine as long as I get the booster shots
3. The vaxx kills people and I'll be dead in three years.
My hope is 1., my expectation is 2.
3. would be fun, I've always wondered what would happen if you have a huge population that has nothing to lose. Carpe motherfucking diem.
 
Yup. I'm a bit ashamed that I said "Fuck it", the hassle is not gonna be worth it", and got the jab. Second one coming up day after tomorrow.
Three things might happen:
1. Everything is fine, I won't get hassled anymore.
2. Everything is fine as long as I get the booster shots
3. The vaxx kills people and I'll be dead in three years.
My hope is 1., my expectation is 2.
3. would be fun, I've always wondered what would happen if you have a huge population that has nothing to lose. Carpe motherfucking diem.
Yeah. I'm scheduling a visit to my doctor to talk about the jab. She hasn't seen me in a while, so I'm not entirely sure if she's going to say anything specific about my questions, beyond just "take the jab". We'll see how it goes. Which one did you get? Pfizer?
 
One of my favorite contradictions is how these people are so fucking obsessed with making everyone wear a mask and get vaccinated because "it's totally effective" or something. I mean if it's so effective, then why don't you (or your unfortunate kid) just do it and why are you so worried about people not doing it? Anyone who isn't doing it is obviously a The Science-hating QAnon Drumpfist MAGAnazi who deserves what they get, so what's the problem?
Because the media has convinced them that they can still catch COVID from the evil anti-vaxxers and die. The masks and vaccine don't work until everyone does it. Also, if everyone got the vaccine then COVID would disappear entirely and they wouldn't have to take any precautions at all anymore.
They aren't even close to getting it. They will blame the dirty anti-vaxxers every time the government punishes them even though they were good lil' boys and girls and never question whether or not the government should be punishing anyone. They are too far into denial and blaming. Read the 3rd tweet especially; these people believe COVID would have disappeared 12 months ago if everyone "really" had locked down for 2 weeks back in April 2020 because they genuinely don't realize that's not how these viruses work. Never mind the fact that the Delta variant didn't even originate in America; so those damn Trumpers had nothing to do with it.
 
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Yeah. I'm scheduling a visit to my doctor to talk about the jab. She hasn't seen me in a while, so I'm not entirely sure if she's going to say anything specific about my questions, beyond just "take the jab". We'll see how it goes. Which one did you get? Pfizer?
Yeah, I'm getting Pfizer. I'm not really worried about side effects or dying of the vaccine in three years or bullshit like that, but I'm quite miffed that I was pushed towards getting a medication that is practically useless to me.

Here's a study on the efficacy of the Pfizer vaxx, I think:
Some guy wrote a response to it, claiming that the study shows that the vaccine is practically useless. The response is in German, so I'll do my best to summarize it.
First of all, the study has good randomisation, but it is not properly blind; the doctors don't know who is vaccinated, but the patients do. Thus reporting of side effects might be flawed.
Second, the study is underpowered when it comes to the outcome "death".
Also, the study was deblinded in December, and participants who had the placebo could opt to get the proper vaccine then. This watered down the results further.
The main point of criticism seems to be that the study doesn't really touch on the important aspect, the absolute risk reduction of serious illness and death. The primary point of the study is the relative reduction of cold-like and influenza symptoms, death is not looked at.
The study then shows no difference between those who had a Coof infection and those who were vaccinated, which is to be expected.
However, the study only checks for antibodies, not T-cell immunity, and that critic claims that there's a significant background T-cell immunity in the population.
He claims the study shows mainly a risk reduction for mild illnesses, and the absolute reduction to get a serious case of the Coof in the SARS-CoV-2-naive population is 2.4 per mille, while the absolute risk to get the Coof among unvaccinated folks is 2.56 per mille. Apparently, that's basically the same risk as getting a rhino virus infection, with the same mortality of 0.5 per mille. Thus the study only shows a very miniscule absolute risk reduction for serious cases, but that's what the critic says is the important thing, and thus claims the study is worthless at showing the efficiency of the vaccine.
Furthermore he claims the study messed up studying the side effects because the duration was too short and allowing palcebo patients to get vaccinated ruined it all.
Here's the original article in German for those who want to check it out for themselves:

/edit: I think that criticism should be taken with a few grains of salt, he tries to make it look worse than it is.

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I'm wondering... I'm reading about leaked Pfizer documents (sorry if I'm late, I was on vacation and the great thing about southern Italy is that it's really fuckin' easy to forget the Coof is a thing because nobody there gives a shit) and how Pfizer is not responsible for any damages and stuff. If it turns out there's some serious long term damages going on, the governments pushing the vaccines would be in serious trouble. Maybe the push to get absolutely everyone vaccinated is to make it basically impossible to make a potential distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated if some odd long term effect appears, like some auto-immune bullshittery? I mean, that's just tinfoil hattery, the reality is most likely that politicians are just straight up stupid and dug themselves into a hole so they're just doubling down.
 
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Well that's good to know. I bought a 5000iu bottle and was gonna start taking a pill a day. Probably don't need to since my multivitamin has 1000ius in it already.
I recommend you chop your pills into 1/4 since 1250 IU is a pretty good amount to take. If you don't have anything to chop pills with, buy one, they're cheap and you'll need it for the melatonin since more than 3mg of melatonin is excessive if taken long term. I chop my 3mg melatonin pills in half and usually use the other half to fall back asleep if I need to. That is, unless you work outside in the daytime. I'm not sure the amount of outside time you're recommended to get (which is probably too low if it's coming from the CDC since humans and our society evolved to be outdoors nearly all day), but if you're out all day in the sun or getting more than an hour a day or so you probably won't need it. Also consider the food you eat, since fatty fish like salmon, mackerel, etc., egg yolks, and liver are a natural source of vitamin D.

Multivitamins have so much junk in them that your body can't fully absorb what's in it, that's why doctors don't prescribe them for things like iron or calcium deficiency and want you to take a dedicated supplement. But at least some of the vitamin D in it can be metabolized.
 
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