Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

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Taliban is doing any% speedrun of taking over Afghanistan and rushing Kabul.
 
The Soviets took 10 years to realize the war is unwinable. Thge US took 20 years. Guess the Soviets at that time had a better sense of odds. Well let's see how Russia and China will deal with the Taliban. China is already making rounds. Either they will go full "Muslims in concentrationcamps mode" or they will deal with them like they do with the Africans: suck their resources dry without them noticing it
The Soviets didn't exactly get much help from their allies though when it came to Afghanistan.
 
Statement from Taliban
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Translation:

Recent developments in the country
Regarding the recent developments and developments in our dear country, we announce the following points:
1- The regions and provinces that are under the control of the Islamic Emirate are in fact a sign of the popularity and acceptance of the Islamic Emirate among the nation. Because such a great and rapid progress is not possible by force. This is, in fact, the victory of God and the great and wide support of our nation, which we must all fulfill, both verbally and practically.
2: The Islamic Emirate once again assures all its compatriots that, as always, it protects their lives, property and reputation and creates a safe environment for its beloved nation. No one should worry about this.
3: The Mojahedin must be very careful about the treasury, public facilities, government departments and their equipment, parks, streets and bridges; All of these are trustworthy and should not be subjected to any personal occupation or recklessness and should be taken seriously.
4: All those who have worked and cooperated with the occupiers in the past or are now standing in the line of Kabul administration, the embrace of the Islamic Emirate is open to them and a general amnesty has been announced for them.
5: Military and civilian individuals who unite with the Islamic Emirate, the Islamic Emirate in the future decides to create favorable conditions for serving the country and the nation for them and their competence and talents to serve the country and the nation properly. No one should worry about this.
6: In areas under the control of the Islamic Emirate, people should lead a normal life, especially in official circles; Whether they are educational, or health, or social and cultural. No one is thinking of leaving their region and country. Our country and nation need your services.
7: Recently, the Kabul administration has launched a series of baseless and sinister propaganda and has given false information to some Afghans and international organizations. The crimes committed by them and the intelligence circles affiliated with them have been attributed to the Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate. From time to time, they spread false announcements and statements in the name of the officials and elders of the Islamic Emirate, and they launch such propaganda that is far from the truth that no reason or logic accepts it.
8- The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan does not deal with anyone's personal property and does not intend to own anyone's cars, lands, houses, markets and shops, but considers it its responsibility to protect the lives, property and reputation of the people.
9: Those who have recently been affected by the propaganda of the enemy and have been displaced inside the country or gone abroad, whether the people are official or ordinary, they have returned to their homes and areas. We do not notice any problem with them. We protect and protect their lives, property and reputation.
10: The Islamic Emirate has instructed its Mujahideen and once again instructs that no one should enter anyone's house without permission, and that he should not harm anyone, nor that he should harm anyone's property or reputation, but that they should protect all these things.
11: The enemy may have assigned some people to harass or harass the people in the name of the Mojahedin. The people should cooperate with the Mojahedin in this regard, and if they see such people from time to time, they should immediately inform the officials of the Islamic Emirate.
12. Our message to businessmen, industrialists and capitalists is to carry out their work normally and serve their people. The Islamic Emirate creates a suitable environment for their business and in this case, it does not hesitate to do everything in its power.
13. We reassure all our neighbors that we will not cause them any problems, that they have full confidence. We also assure everyone that diplomats and staff of embassies, consulates and institutions, whether foreign or domestic, will not only be safe from the Islamic Emirate, but will also be provided with an atmosphere of security and trust. God willing
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
4/1/1443 AH
22/5/1400 AH 2021/8/13 AD
 
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The old Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (had a few name changes) lasted comfortably until Soviet aid necessarily ended with the fall of the Soviet Union. No means to fuel tanks, fixed wing aircraft and helicopters or bribe money. Might be similar.
 
Afghanistan is where empires go to die.

These chads beat the US Empire just like their fathers beat the Soviet Empire.
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I wonder who put up a better fight? The US LGBQT+ military forces or the Red Army? :lit:
Ultimately it's because they're fighting for their lands, whereas other Empires ultimately thought it was not much more than a patch of dust not worth spilling blood and money over. Those imperial apperatuses pushing globohomo can always be redirected elsewhere, or even inwards back into the Empire.

That's how wars are won- when the opposing side thinks that the opportunity cost or negative publicity outweighs the cost of a continued presence. Same with Vietnam, etc. This will also ultimately be the way that America will have to be won in the case it comes down to its people vs an enemy force.

But partitioning Afghanistan along ethnic lines is an admission that different groups persue their own self-interests which would be... problematic for America. In any case it's a non-starter because its so muddied. That map would lead you to think you could excise the Turkmens and most of the Tajiks relatively easily, but there would still be millions dispersed throughout the rump state, and this is to say nothing of all the other ethnic groups living side-by-side, valley-by-valley.

The salient issue is that as long as the different tribes put their loyalty to kin before the state then the Taliban (or some approximation) will have the recruiting pool available to conquer the whole thing. Why risk getting outmaneuvred by smaller factions propped up by foreign adversaries when you could smash them and take control of the whole territory yourself?
That's one of the reasons why the US may have been hesitant to pursue such a policy.

Secondly, I do think that cuts can be made clean enough that the majority of the homelands ends up in their corresponding -Stan, and that it's not necessarily a death sentence to be an ethnic living in another's state. This is especially true of most of the -Stan ethnicities, of which many are already living side-by-side across the border.

To the contrary, having delineated homelands allows people to have a safe space to retreat to and regroup in case the host nation turns hostile- for instance, as of now, where would the Shia Hazaras go if the Sunni Taliban completely overruns the Afghan state? Stateless people like the Assyrians simply ended up dispersing into the wind and disappearing as a viable nation as they had no real nation of their own (no ability to dictate policy, security, etc.) to flee to once their host nations turned against them.
 
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This will also ultimately be the way that America will have to be won in the case it comes down to its people vs an enemy force.
America doesn't have the will to fight hard enough ro defend even a miserable shithole on the edge of the world like Afghanistan, let alone a continent's worth of fertile farmland and bountiful mineral resources.

Fortunately, the Chinese are too smart for overseas conquests, and everyone else is either too poor or too inept.
 
America doesn't have the will to fight hard enough ro defend even a miserable shithole on the edge of the world like Afghanistan, let alone a continent's worth of fertile farmland and bountiful mineral resources.

Fortunately, the Chinese are too smart for overseas conquests, and everyone else is either too poor or too inept.
The Chinese will simply resort to their age-long method of tributaries.

You (the Taliban) control the state, they (the CCP) get a majority of the resources extracted from it.

The Chinese presence will probably likely be limited to Chinese-staffed mines, and a few infrastructure projects here and there- enough of an investment to keep the Taliban under their thumb, but not enough to actually drive prosperity and get them feeling uppity.
 
That's more or less what they'd do to America.

I think they'd be keen on Siberia for their very own, but generally they only care to actually rule good defensive perimeters. Smart.
 
The stupid thing is that we'd already blown our wad on pushing back the Taliban. Maintaining our gains was far, far cheaper than winning them. We built the dam to hold back the medieval savages and then we got upset about the cost of maintaining the dam. Now the dam has burst and it will take another 9/11 to wake us up again. 20 years is a long time, but if we'd just held out another 20 years a whole generation would have been raised to adulthood knowing only a world where you could listen to music and you didn't sell your 9 year old daughter into sex slavery to make a good business deal for your goat farm.
 
The stupid thing is that we'd already blown our wad on pushing back the Taliban. Maintaining our gains was far, far cheaper than winning them. We built the dam to hold back the medieval savages and then we got upset about the cost of maintaining the dam. Now the dam has burst and it will take another 9/11 to wake us up again. 20 years is a long time, but if we'd just held out another 20 years a whole generation would have been raised to adulthood knowing only a world where you could listen to music and you didn't sell your 9 year old daughter into sex slavery to make a good business deal for your goat farm.
lol cry about it fag
The taliban are far more popular with the afghani people than the imperialist americans. These taliban fighters have lived their whole lives under american occupation and they're willing to die to overturn it. The ANA cowards just wanted an easy paycheck.
 
Fortunately, the Chinese are too smart for overseas conquests, and everyone else is either too poor or too inept.
They will just continue to do what they have been doing. Keep buying up all the farm land and real estate. Secure major infrastructure like ports and utilities. Hold vital parts of supply chains. Back China friendly politicians etc etc.. Works way better then guns and bombs. Future generations will be paying tribute to and working for the CCP not because they conquered the west but because today's "leaders" sold it all to them.
 
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The stupid thing is that we'd already blown our wad on pushing back the Taliban. Maintaining our gains was far, far cheaper than winning them. We built the dam to hold back the medieval savages and then we got upset about the cost of maintaining the dam. Now the dam has burst and it will take another 9/11 to wake us up again. 20 years is a long time, but if we'd just held out another 20 years a whole generation would have been raised to adulthood knowing only a world where you could listen to music and you didn't sell your 9 year old daughter into sex slavery to make a good business deal for your goat farm.
Open your eyes. The reason the US left Afghanistan is pretty fucking obvious. The Taliban was more than capable of taking most of the country, foreign occupation or no, that's an indisputable fact. The US forces were concentrated in a handful of major cities and strategic areas, even with air support the TB would have handed them a massive defeat. Why suffer the terrible optics of the mighty American military having their asses handed to them by a few thousand inbred goat herds? Discretion being the better part of valor Biden made the right call.

Besides the people who run shit have made it clear that they will be re-focusing military resources away from foreign entanglements and turning them inwards onto the American population. Afghanistan was a distraction from this important mission.
 
They will just continue to do what they have been doing. Keep buying up all the farm land and real estate. Secure major infrastructure like ports and utilities. Hold vital parts of supply chains. Back China friendly politicians etc etc.. Works way better then guns and bombs. Future generations will be paying tribute to and working for the CCP not because they conquered the west but because today's "leaders" sold it all to them.
Sounds like you hit the nail right on the head. And that's how the newest Chinese dynasty built (and are building) their empire. And it looks like they won't stop until they have the entire world. And Japan is nuked to oblivion.

Besides the people who run shit have made it clear that they will be re-focusing military resources away from foreign entanglements and turning them inwards onto the American population.
That sounds very ominous.
 
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