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The media is lying. On COVID, Florida is still doing well​


You wouldn’t know it from all the liberal news coverage of Florida’s COVID-19 response, but things are actually pretty good in the Sunshine State.

Take it from a guy who just moved back here on purpose. Florida is doing quite well if you’re a resident who has come here to escape heavy-handed state governments and avoid mandatory masking or vaccines. It’s great if you’re fully vaccinated because you run a less than a 1% chance of COVID-related hospitalization or death. It’s even great for the unvaccinated who choose not to get the vaccine and risk facing an aggressive COVID variant — you will be left alone.

Still, news outlets can’t stop talking about how high the COVID cases are among Floridians, stoking ire against Gov. Ron DeSantis’s laissez-faire pandemic response. They seem genuinely frustrated that DeSantis refuses to impose restrictions that would protect the unvaccinated at the cost of the livelihoods of those who have been vaccinated. "Why must he persist," they seem to wonder, "with this dangerous notion that people who want to get vaccinated can, and those who don’t want to don’t have to?"

The answer is quite simple: Because it works.

Florida is sitting squarely in the middle of the pack when it comes to nationwide state vaccination rates. As of Aug. 8, nearly 60% of the state is at least partly vaccinated, while nearly 50% of the state is fully vaccinated.

Kaiser Family Foundation released an analysis showing that COVID breakthrough cases (vaccinated individuals who have contracted COVID) represent less than 1% of those who have been vaccinated nationwide. The percentage of people who have been vaccinated, contracted COVID, and died is even lower.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meanwhile, has transitioned “from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance.” Why? Because the CDC can only track the people who are being hospitalized by the virus — the vaccine, by and large, is doing its job keeping people no more than asymptomatic if they contract COVID.

As of July 26, the CDC reported 6,239 breakthrough hospitalizations nationwide. Of those patients, 26% of those hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID. Likewise, the CDC had reported 1,263 breakthrough fatalities, of which 24% were reported as unrelated to COVID.

The country is in a better place than it was a year ago. We have three safe and effective COVID vaccines. Anyone over the age of 12 who wants to get the vaccine can get it, and anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine doesn’t have to. Whether or not to be protected against COVID is, and should be, a decision folks can make all on their own. Florida knows and abides by this, even while getting lambasted everyday by the likes of CNN and White House press secretary Jen Psaki.

To be sure, Florida has faced an increase in hospitalizations over the past month. But it’s clear who is getting sick and hospitalized: younger, unvaccinated people. Through a concerted effort by the DeSantis administration to prioritize early vaccinations for Florida’s most prominent at-risk population, 85% of the state’s elderly population (65 and up) have been vaccinated with one or more doses. Conversely, ages 20-39 are only about 45% vaccinated.

As the state’s government has resisted new restrictions amid rising cases, the severity of the delta variant has come front-of-mind to many unvaccinated people. That’s why, in the past two weeks, Florida has seen an increased rate of vaccinations as the highly infectious and perhaps deadlier variant wreaks havoc on those who have resisted the shot previously. The rising case count has also informed other COVID-safe behavior. More individuals are seen sporting masks indoors and, in some cases, even outdoors.

What it boils down to, and what national news outlets can’t stand, is that Florida won’t sacrifice its economy and people’s freedom to protect the unvaccinated. And why should it when everyone has virtually full, unfettered access to the vaccine?

From Washington, D.C., to the Bay Area counties of California, many public health officials are urging or actively re-implementing mask mandates and other COVID restrictions, “regardless of vaccination status.” In the Sunshine State, regardless of vaccination status, you will be left to your own devices. Given the choice of where to live, I’ll take the risk of freedom every time.

Tyler Shanahan (@TylerKShanahan) is a contributor to Young Voices and a Florida native.
 
No.

The definitions were never changed.

Just your ignorance and arrogance level. Here let me help you:


  • Vaccination employs vaccines to stimulate the body’s own immune system to protect a person against subsequent infection or disease.
  • Immunization is the process wherein a person is made immune or resistant to an infectious disease, typically by the administration of a vaccine.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) offers similar definitions:2


  • Vaccination is the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
  • Immunization is a process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination.

A person can become immune to a disease when the body is exposed to the disease-causing organism (pathogen) and develops antibodies to fight it. But in the modern lexicon, immunization almost always infers immunity by vaccination rather than by natural infection.
The term inoculation, meanwhile, is often used interchangeably with vaccination or immunization.2




From a historical perspective, it describes the introduction of a substance into the body to confer protection. The term was first coined in the 18th century to describe variolation (the act of introducing a small amount of pus from someone with smallpox into the body of someone without it).3


As with immunization, the term inoculation almost invariably infers the use of vaccines.
 
No.

The definitions were never changed.

Just your ignorance and arrogance level.

Ah, good. I had hoped you'd bite on that. Now I know to ignore you in future, since you're so ready to deny reality. I'm curious; do you get paid for spreading such obvious lies, or do you derive some kind of sick, sexual thrill from being a lonely cog in the propaganda machine?
 
Ah, good. I had hoped you'd bite on that. Now I know to ignore you in future, since you're so ready to deny reality. I'm curious; do you get paid for spreading such obvious lies, or do you derive some kind of sick, sexual thrill from being a lonely cog in the propaganda machine?
I think you need to read some books on vaccines and disease and come back to the forum a little bit better informed.

I do admire your zest, but you are mistaken. It IS a vaccine. And the definition did not change to fit it.

Vaccine, Inoculation, and immunization are closely related but separate terms. We have been giving people vaccines. Shock. Horror. WTF. Yes. Vaccines.

Instead of trying to change definitions to fit your reality, instead accept the definitions and find out what reality you are living in. And do you really think Big Brother would have a plant on KF to change the mind of a few people who matter....to who?
 
Yes and No.

Florida has a high elderly populace so lower infection is not overly a surprise.
You fucking what mate? With no lockdowns or mask mandates for the majority of this year, that doesn't make sense at all. Perhaps if we had hard lockdowns like some places where the elderly don't bother going out or doing anything, sure, but both in my neck of the woods where I live, and when I travel the state for work reasons, I've seen plenty of elderly - unmasked - eating in restaurants, shopping in stores, etc.
But it IS a vaccine. The idea that a vaccine is a going to prevent your body fighting what it is vaccinated against is a myth.
Dude it's literally not a vaccine, it's a gene-therapy treatment. Do you even know how the fuck vaccines are supposed to work? I'm guessing that you don't, and really to be blunt if you have to change the very definition of what a thing is so that you can pigeon-hole something that didn't fit the original definition into that category for political reasons, you're a fucking idiot who doesn't understand that doing so doesn't magically make that thing belong in that category.
Simply, some vaccines are more effective than others. But it IS a vaccine.
It is if you go by the brand-new twisted definition that doesn't fit the actual definition of what constitutes a vaccine that's been around for... how many motherfucking years at this point? This is crayon-eating helmet-wearing, window-licking tier semantics you and every asshole who wants to pretend that the """new""" definition that so conveniently lets these gene-therapy treatments (experimental, always worth noting) in a syringe be called 'vaccines' even though they're very fucking clearly not.

And by the by, having a vaccine not work, by the very definition of what a vaccine is - the actual fucking definition, mind - was an extreme statistical anomaly. "Hurr durr not all vaccines are %100 effective :smug:" is a retard-tier take when nearly every vaccine in history that actually fit the definition of what that word means would have, what, less than a thousandth of a percent of a chance of not giving immunity?
Corona viruses are a nice class of viruses that are difficult to create vaccines for, that is all.
Hey, buddy, hate to break it to you:
With modern technology it's impossible to make a vaccine for the common cold. This was common, near-ubiquitous knowledge until assholes decided it was time to unthink that little nugget of truth.
And there is every reason to suggest that in all likelihood given that it is a coronavirus that the limited immunity will become less effective over time.
Oh... now it's "limited" immunity? You realize saying "limited immunity" is like saying you're going to go do some deep-sea astronomy, right? Or grounded aviation? How about rallying people so we can have sterile sewage?

Immunity is something you either have, or you don't. Kind of like a penis. The word you're looking for would be resistance which still wouldn't fit here because this sham of a panacea doesn't fucking work.
 
Man, he really IS all they got, isn't he? That's pretty sad, brainwashing some idiot newfag to do the work they couldn't be bothered to putting in the effort towards anymore.

Notice that he joined in January of 2020. His very first post is in A&H. It takes three pages for him to post anywhere that's outside of it. He glows from orbit.
 
Florida,

All going well. nothing to see here folks. And yeah, it is a vaccine.

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Florida,

All going well. nothing to see here folks.
Still hasn't broken top 25.
And yeah, it is a vaccine.
Changing a definition to pigeon-hole something that doesn't belong in that category, does not magically change that thing to become eligible for that category. It's literally not a vaccine. By definition.

"Hurr hurr the dictionary added a new definition that fits so there :smug:" is actual retard shit; you and everyone else who uses that non-argument should be ashamed for having the intellectual honesty of a third grade student in an inner-city school. Oh, and while I'm at it, 161 deaths over the course of fourteen days in a state with a population of nearly twenty-two million people is hardly a blip on the radar. I'm sure more people have died due to gang violence or OD's in that time frame alone than from covid.
Edit: Just to really, really drive the point home how pathetic this shit is, the total deaths from covid in Florida is ~40,700 by the CDC's reckoning - that is, since they first started taking stock of how many people turned into stiffs till now. Let's take a look, shall we, at the 2017 morbidity report for the great state of Florida from 2017?
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Oh, look at that. turns out heart disease and cancer are more lethal than covid by a longshot. Even if the statistic were just from the start of this year, it's still got nothing on actual health crises that should warrant attention long before a fucking cold.
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All of that for one thread about one set of numbers being changed.

These posts are the definition of damage control/controlling the narrative.
Totally under control.

The media has it all wrong - you are right, Florida is doing tremendously well with Covid.

Let me guess, these stats are all wrong? Should I turn the chart upside down to make it fit your narrative?

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Hey, Menotaur, no matter how scary your graph looks, it still doesn't change the fact Florida is nowhere near one of the top states for body count. I mean, wow, +241% is really scary. But you know, 161 people dying who almost certainly would have died anyways as soon as restrictions got lifted, no matter how widespread this non-vaccine is (still waiting for you to tell me how a treatment that turns people into active carriers is a vaccine, by the way), is less of a deal than you think. Mostly because we, unlike you apparently, remember that we were only asked to lock down for two weeks to flatten the curve. And oh, turns out Corona is a lot less lethal than everyone imagined so we didn't have hospitals flooded with the dead and dying coughing up their lungs, as proven by choreographed TikTok dance numbers by our valiant health care workers. So yeah, of course cases and deaths are going to tick back up because shocker, unlike what everyone was predicting, it didn't burn through the US like a wildfire, but is instead a slow burn. Just like your typical coronavirus infection.
 
No.

The definitions were never changed.

Just your ignorance and arrogance level. Here let me help you:


  • Vaccination employs vaccines to stimulate the body’s own immune system to protect a person against subsequent infection or disease.
  • Immunization is the process wherein a person is made immune or resistant to an infectious disease, typically by the administration of a vaccine.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) offers similar definitions:2


  • Vaccination is the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
  • Immunization is a process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination.

A person can become immune to a disease when the body is exposed to the disease-causing organism (pathogen) and develops antibodies to fight it. But in the modern lexicon, immunization almost always infers immunity by vaccination rather than by natural infection.
The term inoculation, meanwhile, is often used interchangeably with vaccination or immunization.2




From a historical perspective, it describes the introduction of a substance into the body to confer protection. The term was first coined in the 18th century to describe variolation (the act of introducing a small amount of pus from someone with smallpox into the body of someone without it).3


As with immunization, the term inoculation almost invariably infers the use of vaccines.
If the definition of vaccine never changed, why are skeptics of lockdowns and covid vaccines constantly being called "anti-vaxxers" when that's such an obvious misnomer?
 
Totally under control.

The media has it all wrong - you are right, Florida is doing tremendously well with Covid.

Let me guess, these stats are all wrong? Should I turn the chart upside down to make it fit your narrative?

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Remind me again what this thread is about?

Florida covid stats or the media getting caught with their pants down, lying?

Nice try and deflection though. Your schtick and shill tactics are easy to see-through buddy. Your employers should let you go.
 
Remind me again what this thread is about?

Florida covid stats or the media getting caught with their pants down, lying?

Nice try and deflection though. Your schtick and shill tactics are easy to see-through buddy. Your employers should let you go.
Media caught lying?

Please do explain. If you call tabulation of statistics over a period of a year that for the most part involves daily the tabulation of hundreds of data points and you think a few days of errors on counting account to "the Media is lying" while nothing has changed with the trends or situation, then you are a fool.

Errors happen. But lying?

The premise of the post was the Media was lying and covid was no big deal in Florida. And that is the lie.
 
Media caught lying?
Well... yeah.
Please do explain. If you call tabulation of statistics over a period of a year that for the most part involves daily the tabulation of hundreds of data points and you think a few days of errors on counting account to "the Media is lying" while nothing has changed with the trends or situation, then you are a fool.

Errors happen. But lying?
Knowingly pushing false statistics for propaganda purposes would fall under "lying by omission". If they were merely making a mistake, they wouldn't have needed to be badgered by the FDOH and DeSantis to correct their bullshit.
The premise of the post was the Media was lying and covid was no big deal in Florida. And that is the lie.
It isn't a big deal though. I can guarantee more people died last year from cancer and heart disease than have died from the entirety of covid's track record in Florida. But I don't really even need to argue that, when Florida hasn't had lockdowns or mask regulations for the past six-seven months, and still hasn't cracked the top twenty-five states for deaths - which looks even worse when you factor in that we have a huge elderly population. You look like a retard shouting about 161 deaths in two weeks when I'm sure that, sadly, as many or more died just from living their lives - and I'd bet that more died from heart attacks alone.
TL;DR: Nobody liked Chicken Little. Stop LARPing as him.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT GUYS 161 PEOPLE DIED IN A STATE OF OVER 28 MILLION PEOPLE.

FUCKING SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING. OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK WE ARE SAFE YET.
Fucking hell I wish we still had the :winner: sticker.
 
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