US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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Zero credibility.
Zero moral authority.
 
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from what I understand the Pentagon was flat-out lying to Trump about how things were going through the end of 2020 while leaving forces there, then when Biden came in all fucks stopped being given
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So in laymen's terms, Trump himself agreed with the Taliban to leave by May 1st. However, the Pentagon sat on their hands making sure this wouldn't happen for a few months. Then Biden comes in, outright tells the Taliban, we will NOT BE LEAVING until this date, tries to leave and now the Taliban are pissed?
 
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The Last Stand said:
But why didn't we GET OUT? What happened?
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Politicians-in-uniform (who just so happen to sit on the boards of defense contractors) sabotaged an orderly withdrawal because it would have been a win for that damn dirty Orange outsider who had been shitting on the territory of their congresscritter buddies.
XYZpdq said:
from what I understand the Pentagon was flat-out lying to Trump about how things were going through the end of 2020 while leaving forces there, then when Biden came in all fucks stopped being given
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Michael Flynn - yes, THAT Michael Flynn - was the whistleblower regarding mission creep in Afghanistan, for which the leeches at the Washington Shitpost took credit.

Probably just another reason Comey, Strzok and friends decided to blackmail him and ruin his life.
 
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The Last Stand said:
But why didn't we GET OUT? What happened?
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The Joint Chiefs fucked over Trump because they all need to be fucking hanged for treason and then Joe Biden decided to change the date and instead of assigning anyone to overseeing our withdrawl he went out and snorted the dandruff off a couple preteens and fucked off on vacation. Basically Biden wanted to be remembered as the guy who ended America's longest war instead of Trump and since he's an incompetent retard fucked it all up and now here we are.
 
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The Last Stand said:
So in laymen's terms, Trump himself agreed with the Taliban to leave by May 1st. However, the Pentagon sat on their hands making sure this wouldn't happen for a few months. Then Biden comes in, outright tells the Taliban, we will NOT BE LEAVING until this date, tries to leave and now the Taliban are pissed?
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we're both probably equally wrong about the finer details, but yes, that seems to be about the long and short of it
 
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Trump started all this back in 2017, he tried to withdrawal troops but was blocked by congress. Then Pompeo and Trump made the deal with the Taliban and the Afghan Government to pull out by May 1st. Trump basically told the Taliban if they break the agreement we would "bomb them back to the stone age." Biden steals the election, gets in and pushes the date back to September 11th to get a phot op. This enraged the Taliban, but they still stuck to the May 1st date as agreed to. Then they started their offensive the next day on May 2nd.
 
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August 15, 2021 (Sunday)
Today, in Afghanistan, Taliban fighters took over the presidential palace in Kabul, the country’s capital, while the president of the U.S.-backed Afghan government, Ashraf Ghani, fled to Tajikistan. The U.S. and many other countries are rushing to evacuate their diplomatic personnel and allies from the country, although Russia is not, as the Taliban has guaranteed their safety. As of tonight, all U.S. embassy personnel are at the Kabul airport, which is currently being protected by the U.S. military.
Over almost 20 years in Afghanistan, the U.S. has lost 2448 troops and personnel. Another 20,722 Americans have been wounded. The mission has cost more than a trillion dollars.
The U.S. invaded Afghanistan a month after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001—which killed almost 3000 people in New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania—to go after al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who had been behind the attack. The Islamic fundamentalist group that had controlled Afghanistan since 1996, the Taliban, was sheltering him along with other al Qaeda militants. Joined by an international coalition, the U.S. drove the Taliban from power but failed to capture bin Laden, and the War on Terror became a general drive against non-state actors, usually Muslims, who threatened the U.S.
In 2003, President George W. Bush launched another war, this one in Iraq. As the U.S. got bogged down in Iraq, members of the Taliban regrouped in Afghanistan as an insurgent military force that attacked the Afghan government the U.S. had propped up in their place. By 2005, the Taliban had grown powerful enough that officials in the Bush administration worried that the U.S. could fail to undermine them.
President Barack Obama focused again on Afghanistan. In December 2009 he launched a 33,000 troop surge into Afghanistan, bringing the total U.S. deployment there to about 100,000 troops, with an additional 40,000 troops from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). In 2011, U.S. Special Forces found bin Laden living in Abbottabad, Pakistan, and killed him in a raid. The next month, Obama announced that he would begin bringing troops home and that the U.S. would leave Afghanistan by 2014. Violence immediately increased, and a new joint security agreement between the U.S. and the Afghan government allowed the U.S. to stay and continue to train Afghan soldiers.
By 2018 the Taliban, which is well funded by foreign investors, mining, opium, and a sophisticated tax system operated in the shadow of the official government, had reestablished itself in more than two thirds of Afghanistan. Americans were tired of the seemingly endless war and were eager for it to end.
To end a military commitment that journalist Dexter Filkins dubbed the “forever war,” former president Donald Trump sent officials to negotiate with the Taliban, and in February 2020 the U.S. agreed to withdraw all U.S. troops, along with NATO allies, by May 1, so long as the Taliban stopped attacking U.S. troops and cut ties with terrorists.
The U.S. did not include the Afghan government in the talks that led to the deal, leaving it to negotiate its own terms with the Taliban after the U.S. had already announced it was heading home. Observers at the time were concerned that the U.S. withdrawal would essentially allow the Taliban to retake control of the country, where the previous 20 years had permitted the reestablishment of stability and women’s rights. Indeed, almost immediately, Taliban militants began an assassination campaign against Afghan leaders, although they did not kill any American soldiers after the deal was signed.
Meanwhile, by announcing their intentions, American officials took pressure off the Taliban to negotiate with Afghan leaders. The Pentagon’s inspector general noted in February that “The Taliban intends to stall the negotiations until U.S. and coalition forces withdraw so that it can seek a decisive military victory over the Afghan government.”
Hoping to win voters with this deal to end the war, the Trump administration celebrated the agreement. In September, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted, “A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for forever war in the Middle East. A vote for Donald Trump is a vote to finally bring our troops home.” Then–Secretary of State Mike Pompeo suggested the U.S. would have “zero” troops left in Afghanistan by spring 2021.
When he was Obama’s vice president, Joe Biden had made it no secret that he was not comfortable with the seemingly endless engagement in Afghanistan. By the time he took office as president in January 2021, he was also boxed in by Trump’s agreement. In April, Biden announced that he would honor Trump’s agreement—“an agreement made by the United States government…means something,” Biden said—and he would begin a final withdrawal on May 1, 2021, to be finished before September 11, the twentieth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
In July, 73% of Americans agreed that the U.S. should withdraw.
On July 8, Biden announced that the withdrawal was taking place quicker than planned and that the military mission of the U.S. in Afghanistan would end on August 31. He said the U.S. had accomplished what it set out to do in Afghanistan—kill bin Laden and destroy a haven for international terrorists—and had no business continuing to influence the future of the Afghan people. Together with NATO, the U.S. had trained and equipped nearly 300,000 members of the current Afghan military, as well as many more who are no longer serving, with all the tools, training, and equipment of any modern military. While we will continue to support that military, he said, it is time for the Afghan people to “drive toward a future that the Afghan people want and they deserve.”
For those asking that we stay just a little longer, especially in light of the fact the U.S. has lost no personnel since Trump cut the deal with the Taliban, he asked them to recognize that reneging on that deal would start casualties again. And he asked, “Would you send your own son or daughter?”
Biden insisted the U.S. would continue to support the Afghan government and said the U.S. was working to bring to the U.S. Afghan translators whose lives are in danger for working with U.S. forces. He also seemed to acknowledge the extraordinary danger facing Afghan women and girls under the rule of the Taliban as it continues to sweep through the country. And yet, he said, “I will not send another generation of Americans to war in Afghanistan with no reasonable expectation of achieving a different outcome.”
Instead of using troops, Biden has focused on cutting off the flow of money to terrorists through financial and economic sanctions. (Today, a U.S. official told CNN that the “vast majority” of the assets of Afghanistan’s central bank are not held in Afghanistan and that the U.S. will freeze whatever assets are in the U.S.)
As the U.S. pulled out of the country, the Afghan military simply melted away. Regional capitals fell to the Taliban with little resistance, and Kabul today fell with similar ease. Just five weeks after Biden’s July speech, the Afghan president has left the country and the Taliban is in power.
Already, Republicans are trying to blame the Taliban’s success in Afghanistan on Biden, ignoring former president Trump’s insistence that Biden speed up the exit because “getting out of Afghanistan is a wonderful and positive thing to do.” So eager are Republicans to rewrite history that they are literally erasing it. Tonight, Washington Post reporter Dave Weigel noticed that the Republican National Committee has scrubbed from its website a section celebrating the deal the Trump administration cut with the Taliban and praising Trump for taking “the lead in peace talks as he signed a historic peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan, which would end America’s longest war.”
Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), who served in Afghanistan and who opposed Biden’s plan for withdrawal, has been highlighting the past statements of pro-exit Republicans who are now attacking the president. “Do not let my party preten[d] to be outraged by this,” he tweeted. “Both the [Republicans] and [Democrats] failed here. Time for Americans to put their country over their party.”
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ForgedBlades said:
Honestly, I'm still in the camp that says this won't really matter come 2024. I don't care what tone CNN and the NYT are taking now, when it comes to taking down either DeSantis or Trump the cabal is going to reform and gaslight/censor/bury stuff even harder than they did in 2019 and 2020 to keep the regime in power.

Maybe if there's a major terrorist attack on US soil that can be directly traced back to the Taliban or Afghanistan sanity will prevail, but if the fire burns without touching us directly, low info and young voters aren't going to give a shit and he's going to get away with it scot free. If he does lose it's going to be domestic economy policy that sinks the ship, not this.
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They can do it that, but the harder they try to censor/bury things and cling to power at any cost, the more people lose faith in the system and see them as illegitimate -- more than they already do. There's only so much you can do to maintain the facade. It gets more and more blatantly pathetic and transparent as times goes on.

Biden/Harris are already incredibly weak and feckless. I don't see their image improving in the next three years.
 
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The Last Stand said:
So in laymen's terms, Trump himself agreed with the Taliban to leave by May 1st. However, the Pentagon sat on their hands making sure this wouldn't happen for a few months. Then Biden comes in, outright tells the Taliban, we will NOT BE LEAVING until this date, tries to leave and now the Taliban are pissed?
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More or less.

There's also incompetent military leadership, most of whom lied to their Commander in Chief and violated their sacred oaths, who didn't have any plans and instead pushed CRT and "White People Bad" and "Muh Troons Und Gays".

Then there was the "they can't do anything" by the CIA cocksuckers (Seriously, if you EVER see a CIA agent anywhere near anything military, even if it's playing Call of Duty, you've lost that war unless you beat him to death right there) who ran the war into the ground by usurping the chain of command and selling heroin.

Once Biden "won" the election, then everything went tits up, Biden broke America's treaties and deals, and then ran away and hid when it was all crumbling down.

The time to do something would have been 4 days ago, when it became obvious.

But he was on vacation and everyone else was worried about PR, so nobody did anything, hoping if they hid under their bed long enough the problem would go away.
 
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