Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

You chums have the memory of a goldenfish. They killed a Reuters photojournalist a week back amd mutilated his remains. Those 5000 ALLAHxArmy members should've been thrown in a wood chipper along with their leader. MuH wE DoNT neGOtiaTe wITh tErRoriSts. WE'll jUsT rEmovE tALibAN fROm the TeRrorIst LiST. American intelligence is only efficient in making plans on how to smuggle narcotics

An Indian photojournalist embedded with the Afghan army was killed in an ambush. I don't see how that exceeds "fog of war."

Guess you really want American troops to die for his honor.
 
After Osama had been killed we should have left the region and emplaced a constitutional monarchy but no, we had to play nation builder with trying to prop up democracy in a country where there exists little to non national unity. Fuck you to the late 90s and early 2000s era of oligarchical politicians who made the mess we are in today. Clinton, George, Obama, Biden, all of you are reserved a spot in hell for the raping of America. Offically MATI
 
You'd be better off calling your AA sponsor.

Anyone else remember when the Obama administration cut the funding to the VA help line and you'd call up and get a recorded announcement that if it was an emergency to go to the ER?

Ah, fun times.
Yeah, iirc they still tell you that (but at least you can get through to volunteers sometimes).

All joking aside, if there are any Kiwi vets here who are genuinely upset about the news in Afghanistan - or, just pissed off in general, because why wouldn't you be? - I'd recommend Vet to Vet, if you've got a chapter in your area. I've never used it myself, but I've consistently heard positive things. It's a nonprofit, non-government, veteran-run support group that offers everything from crisis counseling, to housing services (no judgements! everyone's being evicted these days), to fun nights out on the town; they often operate in and around VA facilities, but don't worry, they've got no direct affiliation with the VA.

There's also NAMI; ngl NAMI gives me culty vibes, but I've also heard positive things about them, so might be worth checking out!
 
And this is my big complaint. He broke the cardinal rule of American Presidents. Never let the country be humiliated. You don't get to have a scenario where the American flag is fleeing and then claim it was all part of the plan.

We were defeated this year. Plain and simple. We have lost the cornerstone conflict that began on September 11. We LOST. This is honestly worse then Vietnam. What the Taliban did all those years ago justified every bomb and every life we expended to try and destroy them. But our political leadership FAILED. The dead of 9/11 remain unavenged as the architect's of their deaths remain in power.

I am old enough to remember 9/11. I got dragged out of my engineering class because of it. We got sent home from school that day. The girls were crying, the one Muslim girl in our class looked like she wanted the earth to swallow her, the boys were talking about how we would nuke the middle east and kill all the Muslims. A few years later I even got to fight in this war on terror.

And this is how it ends. Failure. And a Prsident, the living sock puppet of all these beaurocrats who "fortified" our elections blaming everyone but himself and the idiots who led this disastrous campaign.
1. I’d say that you could argue 9/11 was avenged when Bin Laden was taken out. I wasn’t old enough to know about the Taliban, but I learned about Osama once I got older, and I could remember watching the news report when he was killed.

2. You talk about failure, but Biden and his supporters represent a new game. A new world where they don’t care about America as we knew it circa December 2019. To them, various parts of the country could go die in a fire for the good of the nation being a part of the global stage. And Biden and Kamala are basically working to create the utopia USA of the Democrats talked about from the Beltway to the Big Apple to Silicon Valley, and all they have to do is eliminate the undesirables that hinder progress. And that’s looking to be easier said than done.
Japan is forbidden to have nukes but it's pretty well understood that they have a bunker somewhere with all the parts and equipment ready to make them in a hurry if they have to. There is disagreement on whether they're set up to assemble some in a matter of days, weeks, or a few months.
Well Abe made it so their constitution went from “JSDF exists to defend Japan” to “JSDF exists to defend Japan AND HER ALLIES”, and that was a pretty big deal. Not sure what his successor has planned, but last I heard was that they pissed off Beijing by calling Taiwan…Taiwan. As for nukes, I feel like that’ll happen once they get a Trump on steroids in power.
 
most of them will not be hung. the Taliban dont care if you cleaned american bases to feed your family.
I have a hunch that it will depend largely on if you have money/property/young wife. Especially the wife. The Taliban pay their troops in wives. They won't kidnap a married woman, but they specifically point out that widows are fair game.
 
1. I’d say that you could argue 9/11 was avenged when Bin Laden was taken out. I wasn’t old enough to know about the Taliban, but I learned about Osama once I got older, and I could remember watching the news report when he was killed.

2. You talk about failure, but Biden and his supporters represent a new game. A new world where they don’t care about America as we knew it circa December 2019. To them, various parts of the country could go die in a fire for the good of the nation being a part of the global stage. And Biden and Kamala are basically working to create the utopia USA of the Democrats talked about from the Beltway to the Big Apple to Silicon Valley, and all they have to do is eliminate the undesirables that hinder progress. And that’s looking to be easier said than done.

Well Abe made it so their constitution went from “JSDF exists to defend Japan” to “JSDF exists to defend Japan AND HER ALLIES”, and that was a pretty big deal. Not sure what his successor has planned, but last I heard was that they pissed off Beijing by calling Taiwan…Taiwan. As for nukes, I feel like that’ll happen once they get a Trump on steroids in power.
If we had declared victory and left, we could have declared victory, but we kept going. That changes the victory conditions significantly.
 
I have a hunch that it will depend largely on if you have money/property/young wife. Especially the wife. The Taliban pay their troops in wives. They won't kidnap a married woman, but they specifically point out that widows are fair game.
shit, the Taliban uprising will be used as proof that the incel uprising is coming
 
1. I’d say that you could argue 9/11 was avenged when Bin Laden was taken out. I wasn’t old enough to know about the Taliban, but I learned about Osama once I got older, and I could remember watching the news report when he was killed.

2. You talk about failure, but Biden and his supporters represent a new game. A new world where they don’t care about America as we knew it circa December 2019. To them, various parts of the country could go die in a fire for the good of the nation being a part of the global stage. And Biden and Kamala are basically working to create the utopia USA of the Democrats talked about from the Beltway to the Big Apple to Silicon Valley, and all they have to do is eliminate the undesirables that hinder progress. And that’s looking to be easier said than done.
Point 1. Osama Bin Laden was the man behind the tragedy. The Taliban was the State actor we could go to war with. It's really hard to describe the feeling of October 2001. We went insane as a nation tbqh. We were angry and we handed Washington DC all the political power it wanted just so we could watch sand people get blown up on live TV. We gave Washington this enormous power and let them build this massive security state to carry out the justice we demanded. Now that security state is being used against us, it's become an all consuming monster, my own home state of Virginia has been coopted by it and we have NOTHING to show for it. As someone old enough to remember 911, I can say that watching this is like drinking from a poisoned chalice.

Point 2. Good luck to them. They lost the Warror Caste this month.
 
Expect the ramp up to find "white supremacists" in the ranks and among the veterans to reach a fever pitch. This debacle is a bridge too far for the volunteer military I think. The politicians and unelected beaurocracy sold America's warrior caste an enormous bill goods.

At a minimum you are going to have military families going back three generations of soldiers not presenting their 4th generation to be more pawns in the ego trips of the idiots in Washington. Those fools spent American blood like they spent our money. Without a care.

At worst the Washington elite made alot of enemies this week who will nurse this grudge for generations.
I repeat something that I said before the wipeout yesterday: I am so fucking thankful to my family and friends for talking me out of joining the military.
 
Point 1. Osama Bin Laden was the man behind the tragedy. The Taliban was the State actor we could go to war with. It's really hard to describe the feeling of October 2001. We went insane as a nation tbqh. We were angry and we handed Washington DC all the political power it wanted just so we could watch sand people get blown up on live TV. We gave Washington this enormous power and let them build this massive security state to carry out the justice we demanded. Now that security state is being used against us, it's become an all consuming monster, my own home state of Virginia has been coopted by it and we have NOTHING to show for it. As someone old enough to remember 911, I can say that watching this is like drinking from a poisoned chalice.

Point 2. Good luck to them. They lost the Warror Caste this month.
Did we...? I remember watching 9/11 in school, then that weekend saying to myself "fuck, who cares, move on".

I'm sure different parts of the country reacted in different ways, but I was in deep Truther territory, and we viewed the security-industrial state as the real enemy almost from Day One. I'm certain that would have been different if Gore had won the election - most people back home turned cuck after Obama got in - but with Bush in the White House, red pilled Blue Staters were the norm.
 
shit, the Taliban uprising will be used as proof that the incel uprising is coming
I know you're joking, but it's actually one of their biggest recruitment tools. ISIS did it too. Though unlike ISIS they actually discourage taking too many, and they're less brutal about it. They frown on using up all 4 of your wife party slots because you're expected to save a couple of slots to marry the older widows of family members.

But they do try to get each fighter a wife around age 15 or so.

One of the changes that happened in recent Afghanistan was there were more single men. While most girls in the countryside got married traditionally, others got picked up into education and went to Kabul since they now had education and career opportunities and did not need to get married immediately just to be able to go somewhere without their father.
 
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