US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[soy_king]

off the top of my head, Afghanistan has been conquered by the Persians, Alexander, various tribal groups, the Arabs, the Mongols, the Timurids, and by the Babur (who was technically a Timurid but still).

 

[Scale Smerch]

The Taliban aren't going to pull a stupid against any foreigner they find. You're wholly American or British? You'll be allowed to leave in whatever designated flight provided you make yourself known to them. There's no need to for hostage taking now when the Taliban fully control the country.

Where things could break down is on the American side. Say the Biden administration, in its infinite wisdom, decides to try and sneak out some of its terps alongside citizens for PR purposes (since any win is a good win for them at this stage). Unless those terps are already at the airport (and most currently aren't) they're not getting out, and it's not a stretch to imagine a few nervous escorts out looking for them/escorting them back trying to force the issue once caught since glowies and political generals are breathing down their neck. That's when the hostage taking and reprisal killings begin in earnest and this goes from humiliation to absolute clusterfuck.

 

[Gehenna]

Thats not exactly true. it's a graveyard, but it's not unconquerable, and has been conquered countless times, provided the invaders are sufficiently brutal. Had we, the Pakis, and the Saudis not interfered, I absolutely guarantee the Soviets would have cleaned their clocks, like Putin did with the Chechens.

Oh, you can conquer Afghanistan. But you cannot hold it, unless you are Muslim. The place is a focal point of the Islamic World, seeing a constant influx of new Muslim bodies ready to fight for a cause, any cause, so long as it is fighting the infidel. The U.S. successfully conquered it, but we spent twenty years trying and failing to hold it.

Most of the Taliban are not Afghani, they are Pakistani, or Somali, or Saudi, or Iraqi, or... you get the idea. It's a constant influx of men and materiel, constantly requiring you to keep a force there to pacify, constantly whittling away at whoever is in it.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I view Biden and his administration as the modern day Pharoah.

A term that needs to come back in relevance.

Well this is a pyramid scheme.

 

[Ita Mori]

The Southern border may as well offer blowjobs for all it'll be enforced now.
This country is fucking dead.

 

[Constellationzero]

I don't think they see any value in keeping these people. Why and what do they want from the US that threathening these people would bring? I am certain that they just see all these abandoned americans in AFG as a roadblock that distracts from and hampers their talks with their new BFF China. The sooner these people can be put on busses and driven to the border the better. Get all the fucking westerners out of the country so they can focus on the business and mining deals with china.

Sending a message to the potato that WE DON'T PLAY.
Sending a cathartic message to the American at the business end of their weapon of choice that they really, REALLY enjoyed The Human Centipede, and they'd like you to participate in a...documentary.

Literally telling the potato over and over and over that he "Ain't the real President, so I don't hafta!"

I'm going with needing cast members for "documentaries" and "employee training videos"

 

[soy_king]

Oh, you can conquer Afghanistan. But you cannot hold it, unless you are Muslim. The place is a focal point of the Islamic World, seeing a constant influx of new Muslim bodies ready to fight for a cause, any cause, so long as it is fighting the infidel. The U.S. successfully conquered it, but we spent twenty years trying and failing to hold it.

Most of the Taliban are not Afghani, they are Pakistani, or Somali, or Saudi, or Iraqi, or... you get the idea. It's a constant influx of men and materiel, constantly requiring you to keep a force there to pacify, constantly whittling away at whoever is in it.

Also no. The Persians, Alexander, the Huns, the Kushans and Mongols weren't Muslim. Plus, the Bolshies were dammed good at dealing with uppity Muslims. Just look to how secular Central Asia still is by way of example.

The Taliban are Pashtuns, which will likely cause problems moving forward. this at least is no longer our problem anymore.

 

[AnotherPleb]

It's all hands on deck over here in the political analysis world as well. I was hauled out of bed and asked to come in at 8 AM. It's now 1AM, and I haven't left the office. Getting a steady stream of info which can really be summarized as "What the fuck is Washington doing?"

Don't worry, Biden's getting enough sleep for the both of you.

 

[Gehenna]

Also no. The Persians, Alexander, the Huns, the Kushans and Mongols weren't Muslim. Plus, the Bolshies were dammed good at dealing with uppity Muslims. Just look to how secular Central Asia still is by way of example.

The Taliban are Pashtuns, which will likely cause problems moving forward. this at least is no longer our problem anymore.

Persia, Alexander, the Huns, AND the Kushans predate Islam entirely. Kinda hard to have an area be a focus point of a religion that doesn't exist yet. The Mongol's saw much the same attrition and broke off after 30 years into their own thing.


None of your examples are good ones.

 

[northstar747]

It's all hands on deck over here in the political analysis world as well. I was hauled out of bed and asked to come in at 8 AM. It's now 1AM, and I haven't left the office. Getting a steady stream of info which can really be summarized as "What the fuck is Washington doing?"

Its simple someone needs to make decisions that someone was never biden

KH is a woman and thus cant make decisions. With no clear decisions being made bunch of squabbling is happening

 

[Marissa Moira]

I can't believe they didn't want to prioritize American citizens for evacuation because they didn't want to appear racist.

Literally THINK OF THE OPTICS when shit is falling the fuck apart. Like holy shit imagine being shot and bleeding out in some goat fucking hellhole and thinking "at least these sand savages won't think we're racist".

Even if the election isn't proved to be fraudulent, the whole biden administration is acting like a bunch of people who certainly behave like unelected bureaucrats.

 

[soy_king]

Persia, Alexander, the Huns, AND the Kushans predate Islam entirely. Kinda hard to have an area be a focus point of a religion that doesn't exist yet. The Mongol's saw much the same attrition and broke off after 30 years into their own thing.


None of your examples are good ones.

The Hazaras are descendants of the Mongols. They're still around, even though they've been historically fucked with. Babur and the Timurids are also descendants of the Mongols, btw.

 

[Gehenna]

The Hazaras are descendants of the Mongols. They're still around, even though they've been historically fucked with. Babur and the Timurids are also descendants of the Mongols, btw.

And? They all converted to Islam, thus becoming Not Infidels. I don't really see your point here.

 

[MrJokerRager]

And? They all converted to Islam, thus becoming Not Infidels. I don't really see your point here.

The land has been conquered by folks, willing to kill at any costs and have horror as their friend.

 

[Gehenna]

The land has been conquered by folks, willing to kill at any costs and have horror as their friend.

And still got fucked up by attrition in any point after the advent of Islam. Again, you can -conquer- Afghanistan, you just can't -hold- Afghanistan.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Absolutely guarantee the Soviets would have cleaned their clocks, like Putin did with the Chechens.

The only real reason the Afghans won was because we supplied them with MANPADS that could take down their aircraft. Without that the Soviets would have wrecked their asshole. But again, we built up the monster that we ended up fighting. The problem is that there is never any meaningful follow through. Did we do a decent job with an education system, root out corruption, support their military, do conscription or regulate it, listen to their needs and wants and try to craft a society that was good and decent? No. We threw money at corrupt officials, who have been seen fleeing with cars so full of money they have to leave them on the helipad. We've got a demoralized and ineffectual army taking the brunt of the casualties and shit for 20 years. We ignored their culture, forcing Western ideology on them which they clearly did not want and shed the literal second we were gone.

So why didn't we do any of this? Well, neo-liberals are basically boomers who firmly believe in the 'McDonald' style of Empire, stamping down our ideology and removing the 'primitive' ideology that follows. The problem is that you need boots on the ground and locals to do it. And the locals who will sell out their traditions for you are basically scum of the Earth and get along with globohomos because they're the same. The problem is these traitorous locals only seek to drain you of money and provide little in the way of...well, anything. The generals and glow niggers are there just to cash a check, its not like they live there.

We never properly nation-built, because 1) Modern America is extremely isolationist across the spectrum in its citizenry. Liberal progressives will mindlessly clap for distributing gender queer education dollars in Pakistan, but they're not for nation building. No one is. So the will and attention span among the citizenry was extremely low. 2) Neo-Liberals only want a subservient population that abandons their traditions for Western ones, which relies on traitors to the people and country, which inevitably attracts the worst sort of scum. These people only last with American might behind them and promptly fold once it is withdrawn. See...every nation building exercise since fucking Korea.

The big problem the globohomos and neo-lib faggots have right now is that 1, modern America is isolationist again. We don't WANT to be world police. We don't WANT endless wars. Nobody does. And not only that, we don't want to be embarrassed by them. And this is a huge fucking embarrassment. Because literally no one except people receiving a check could say WHY we were in Afghanistan. The Afghan war was a year or two, tops. When we punished the government and never found Bin Laden, we should have fucked off. We didn't. We stuck around because neo-liberals and neo-cons wanted to make it the Disney Land of the Middle East with the most corrupt fuckers around. Its been a 20 year globo homo circle jerk.

So, even though foreign policy is not on the minds of many Americans, this presents a few major problems:

1) The Biden Admin was perceived weak before. This is now an unmitigated disaster for their reputation. They already looked weak as shit, but with this Afghan pullout, it just made the situation that much worse. They tried to use September 11th and score a win with political points and fucked it up so completely and so terribly that it can't be salvaged. They didn't use any of that extra time to plan and prepare. They used the withdrawal as a political tool and worse, completely failed. They didn't renegotiate with the Taliban, they didn't properly dispose of vehicles, they didn't evac personnel. They seemed to do nothing and were shocked when the Taliban just road through the country. Like, you know, everyone said they would.

2) You can't blame Trump because the date he put was May and its August. So you took a later date. You could have also just went, "I'm president now, we'll see" and done a different draw down or renegotiate. They didn't. There is very little maneuvering room here. The fact that he gave his photo op and blamed literally everyone but himself and then fucked off like a cuck worsens the situation incredibly.

3) The visual metaphors on the withdrawal are fucking damming. They're inescapable. People are already putting this side by side to Saigon, the Afghan people hanging off planes. It can be used as a metaphor for the entire administration.

4) The way the withdrawal was handled has embarrassed extremely powerful people, who will now be putting the blame on the demented president who wanted to try and use the withdrawal as some fucktarded political win. '

All in all, the withdrawal is a fucking disaster and only the most die-hard and idiotic of shills can defend this. You're brain dead retarded to think this was handled in a decent manner. The Taliban would have taken over anyway, but we could have denied them equipment, evacuated everyone who wanted to get out and made sure things were done orderly. They were not. Everyone wanted us out of Afghanistan.

This has shattered the illusion of a 'competent president' and a 'return to normalcy' or that the adults, or fucking anyone is in charge. American attention span is short, but that imagery is history making. So its going to be burned in people's minds for a long time.

 

[soy_king]

And? They all converted to Islam, thus becoming Not Infidels. I don't really see your point here.

I'm saying it's entirely conquerable, even by infidels. Jihad means little if the opposing side is brutal and is better equipped. Just ask Imam Shamil and Enver Pasha.

This leads me to the point that the Tsliban possibly recognize this, and will act accordingly by adhering to the two diplomatic options I described previously.

 

[Gehenna]

I'm saying it's entirely conquerable, even by infidels. Jihad means little if the opposing side is brutal and is better equipped. Just ask Imam Shamil and Enver Pasha.

This leads me to the point that the Tsliban possibly recognize this, and will act accordingly by adhering to the two diplomatic options I described previously.

Two things: Brutality has only ever driven up Taliban recruitment. Why do you think it had such high recruitment against the soviets? It's like the opposite of fear porn to them. Second, better equipped is fascinatingly irrelevant to them. They were fighting the soviets with fucking flintlocks for a period.

So this leads back to my point of they just don't care. They just, outright, do not care. And if something conquers them, they just begin to guerrilla warfare again, recruit from outside their ethnic group, and declare it a holy war.

And yes, they do recruit outside. Mostly they have stuck to preferring their own Pashtuns, but https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/1...ueling-the-talibans-expansion-in-afghanistan/ Once those started drying up they happily began actively pulling from the outside.

 

[Sithis]

I know this is the Biden thread but I for one look forward to the future interactions between the Taliban and the encroaching Chinese mineral drillers. Taliban are about to find out that China and modern America are much more similar than the Taliban are different than either. That is to say, all the shit they hate about America except the love of Israel and Christianity, China is into. China will see it as their own manifest destiny to rape afghanland of natural resources and eventually the goat fuckers will figure out that Zhang is just as bad as George. So the question then becomes, how much space in that empire graveyard does Afghanistan have left?

Now to circle back to Biden - if worst case scenario proceeds and this happens on an advanced time table, or god forbid they fraud their way through another election or two and further fuck up our military... How long till we get involved in another war? Because china may be happy to just leech America and not start something but they might also start eyeing Israel, and no matter whether a republican or a democrat sits the chair, only zog defenders are ever permitted to truly rule.

 

[soy_king]

Two things: Brutality has only ever driven up Taliban recruitment. Why do you think it had such high recruitment against the soviets? It's like the opposite of fear porn to them. Second, better equipped is fascinatingly irrelevant to them. They were fighting the soviets with fucking flintlocks for a period.

So this leads back to my point of they just don't care. They just, outright, do not care. And if something conquers them, they just begin to guerrilla warfare again, recruit from outside their ethnic group, and declare it a holy war.

And yes, they do recruit outside. Mostly they have stuck to preferring their own Pashtuns, but https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/1...ueling-the-talibans-expansion-in-afghanistan/ Once those started drying up they happily began actively pulling from the outside.

So a few things before I turn off: brutality may drive up recruitment for so long, usually up to the point where about 10% of the population is wiped out. this is exactly what happened in Chechnya, and the gorskys love to fight almost as much, if not more than, the Afghans. As for foreign recruitment, look again to Chechnya: Mujahideen poured in during the 90s, and were a major factor for the conversion of the resistance into an Islamist one. where are these Mujahideen now? either dead or having fled with their tails between their legs, while Ramzan mops up the rest.

You may be an excellent judge of American policy analysis, but your foreign policy chops could use some work. Also, look to Vlad for proper inspiration on subjugating Ismail.