Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

[MysticSleeper]

If I were Lily I wouldn't complain about TvTropes allowing slander. Wasn't she banned or nearly banned for trying to do literally that?

Lily isn't confirmed to be banned 100%, just someone called morpmorp who obsesses over her and writes exactly like her. Morpmorp is probably Lily but we can't know for absolute certain.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

It seems our timeline has been rolled back. Now I can stop myself from donating all my money to that anime VTuber, and instead send it to a better one.

In other news Lily has posted this comic spoiler, I don't why she does these, it really devalues Mikail's work if you ask me.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, I think this is officially the most a…

archived 16 Aug 2021 09:45:40 UTC

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So the question Gardevoir has posed is literally "even though our relationship is illegal, it makes you sad not to be spooning with me, so why aren't you spooning with me?" Amazing.
Also these two things:

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, I keep hearing this thing about Alian…

archived 16 Aug 2021 08:17:54 UTC

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Rey and Aliana think they would still have romantic feelings for each other even if they were raised together as sisters. I don't really care what this about the characters, I'm more concerned as to why the author felt the need to include it. I can't think of any scenario where this furthers the plot or character in this Star Wars fanfic.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Artist Patreon -...

archived 16 Aug 2021 02:14:31 UTC

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I hope Mikail takes initiative from all her Owl House videos and grows more ambitious with her work someday. Cause this is getting her nowhere.

 

[starborn427614]

It seems our timeline has been rolled back. Now I can stop myself from donating all my money to that anime VTuber, and instead send it to a better one.

In other news Lily has posted this comic spoiler, I don't why she does these, it really devalues Mikail's work if you ask me.

https://archive.md/fwJCR

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So the question Gardevoir has posed is literally "even though our relationship is illegal, it makes you sad not to be spooning with me, so why aren't you spooning with me?" Amazing.
Also these two things:

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, I keep hearing this thing about Alian…

archived 16 Aug 2021 08:17:54 UTC

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Rey and Aliana think they would still have romantic feelings for each other even if they were raised together as sisters. I don't really care what this about the characters, I'm more concerned as to why the author felt the need to include it. I can't think of any scenario where this furthers the plot or character in this Star Wars fanfic.

https://archive.md/sDnkx

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I hope Mikail takes initiative from all her Owl House videos and grows more ambitious with her work someday. Cause this is getting her nowhere.

Hmm, where have I seen this before

Not an original concept in the slightest, but the comparison just popped into my head

 

[Ben Laden]

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, I keep hearing this thing about Alian…

archived 16 Aug 2021 08:17:54 UTC

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Rey and Aliana think they would still have romantic feelings for each other even if they were raised together as sisters. I don't really care what this about the characters, I'm more concerned as to why the author felt the need to include it. I can't think of any scenario where this furthers the plot or character in this Star Wars fanfic.

Does Lily think this is romantic or cute?

'Babe, I love you so much that if you and I were sisters I'd still bang you'

Like, this is basically just the 'step-sibling' porn fantasy where it's okay because technically we're not related so it's okay. Just fucking bizarre to include in the story at all. Thermian argument and all that. The characters don't exist and didn't actually have this conversation, so why on Earth did the writer make them have this conversation in the first place?

 

[Duine In Cudromach]

Rey and Aliana think they would still have romantic feelings for each other even if they were raised together as sisters. I don't really care what this about the characters, I'm more concerned as to why the author felt the need to include it. I can't think of any scenario where this furthers the plot or character in this Star Wars fanfic.

'I keep hearing'? I'm pretty sure there's one place that cares enough about The Sith Resurgence to have noticed this and it's here. What a bizarre question to send to Lily, or a bizarre question to send to herself. Unless other people out there have started calling her out on this being fuckin' creepy and she's trying to deflect?

It's funny to see how she explains the narrative. "Rey brings it up." "They both think it's weird." "Aliana laughs it off." Either Lily is trying to control the narrative or she is such a shit writer that this is what she was trying to communicate but completely failed. Either way, not lookin' good, Lily!

Because your fanfic exists and is easily referenced!

“That’s better,” Aliana smiled as she ran her fingers through Rey’s hair. “You know… hearing that my mother wanted to take you with us feels… weird.”

“Really? How so?” Rey asked curiously.

“Well I mean… we’d be like sisters,” Aliana said. “Actually we’d just flat out BE sisters.”

“...Oh, yeah.” Rey said, her lips pursing into a thin line. “...That would be weird… at least, I think it would be.” She looked down at herself and how close she was holding Aliana. “This isn’t a very sister thing to do, is it?”

“Well on Naboo it is,” Aliana snickered as she kissed Rey’s forehead. “But no, it’s not a very sister thing to do.”

“Hmm…” Rey continued to ponder on the idea, her brow furrowed in contemplation. “...I think the weirdest part is that it might not be enough to stop me from feeling this way.”

“Really?” Aliana cocked an eyebrow as she kissed Rey’s hair.

“Really,” Rey said with a confident smile. “I was clearly attached to you right from the start, and we’re both too into women to at least not think about it if we grew up together.”

“I guess…” Aliana said, looking nervous in stark contrast to Rey’s confidence. “Especially after mother died. That’d be weird though.”

“Oh, absolutely,” Rey agreed. “But hey. It’s a big galaxy. Who’s gonna judge us? The Force?”

“I guess. It’s not like anyone would know,” Aliana giggled, nuzzling into Rey’s neck.

“Exactly,” Rey smiled, brushing her fingers over Alianas hair. “And if anyone asks, we’ll tell them to mind their own damn business.”

“God this is such a weird conversation,” Aliana laughed as she laid her head on Rey’s shoulder. “Is it weird that I think it’s kinda romantic?”

“...I suppose the correct answer to that is yes,” Rey admitted. “...But at the same time, I think it’s kind of romantic, too. So I guess we’re both weird. Another reason we work so well together.”

She's pretending that it's just a weird reflection when Aliana and Rey are romantically snuggling and talking about how romantic it is and how they're both 'too into women' to have not wanted to fuck each other from the start, even though Rey didn't know that girls could love girls until Aliana taught her the very concept of being gay. Also she says that 'Rey brought it up' when, no, Rey brought up that Mayrik wanted to adopt her and the thought of them being romantically involved at the same time didn't occur to her; Aliana was the one who made it weird.

Or that this is a hypothetical about when Rey was five and Aliana was either 10 or 13 (depending on whether you believe Lily's revised age or her original one). Which, um... I don't like to use the word 'yikes' but YIKES.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, That anti Sith Resurgence fic is some…

archived 16 Aug 2021 23:08:55 UTC

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Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Somebody actually made a fucking anti…

archived 16 Aug 2021 23:34:40 UTC

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Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Someone wrote an ‘anti’ Sith resurgen…

archived 16 Aug 2021 23:34:48 UTC

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But fuck everything about Kylo Ren and Reylos am I right?

In other words, you're allowed to write an AU fanfiction fixing all the things you didn't like about the new trilogy, but when it comes to your work, someone else isn't. Terrific.

 

[Devil-Man]

Yes, and yes, I think Ginger does have a new boyfriend.

Sup

Hot couple shit with the boyf

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Sup — Hot couple shit with the boyf

archived 16 Aug 2021 05:27:07 UTC

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Swiggity Swag

What's in the Bag?

ginger-snap-hanging-out.tumblr.com

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

Oh, our Oooperator's update ate the TLDW of Lily's last stream.
OG LINK: https://mega.nz/file/8gYFzC4a#jYykvqiuKDIvFPDjROvcJ76E1O6loOgN_sYGuxUk5Cs
Boring Boring Boring. Thanks All the same, Devil

2:04 for Lily giving herself a reminder to take down a stream archive that never did any harm to anyone.

Back to the present day and:

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, In your burnout video, you talked abo…

archived 16 Aug 2021 22:20:30 UTC

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For any lurkers around Lily's dox is not public no matter what she says it is not a matter of public knowledge which shitty basement apartment in Halifax she lives in, the only ones who know that are Lizzy, Mikay, and her inner cult MAYBE. This is a lie.

Lily Orchard on Twitter: "When that decision is as minor and simple a…

archived 17 Aug 2021 00:46:02 UTC

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Lily Orchard on Twitter: "Kid: "My name is William, but I prefer Bill…

archived 17 Aug 2021 01:13:25 UTC

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ETA: This drama

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, How's this for a hot take? Fiction do…

archived 17 Aug 2021 02:21:43 UTC

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Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Poisonheart doesn’t literally have to…

archived 17 Aug 2021 03:00:54 UTC

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Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, It's ironic that these cretins cry to…

archived 17 Aug 2021 03:07:40 UTC

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[anger is good]

Shame. We all knew this would happen eventually.

thank you for all the work you put into it, sir.
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That archive was starting to get too much positive attention from people who couldn’t catch the streams proper. Couldn’t have that now could we?

In the spirit of poking fun at The Sith Resurgence.


This tumblr has started reviewing it. It’s a good read https://everything-has-a-moral.tumblr.com/

In other news:

Finnaly an answer. She was completely blindsided by ginger and faked being ok with it. But inside she isn’t.

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Who even uses tv tropes?

OH BOY, WHAT IS IT THAT I SEE? ARE THOSE MISSING MISSING REASONS????

IM SURE EXCITED FOR THIS NEW ARC!!!!

 

[ZeSlyFox]

Oh, our Oooperator's update ate the TLDW of Lily's last stream.
OG LINK: https://mega.nz/file/8gYFzC4a#jYykvqiuKDIvFPDjROvcJ76E1O6loOgN_sYGuxUk5Cs
Boring Boring Boring. Thanks All the same, Devil
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2:04 for Lily giving herself a reminder to take down a stream archive that never did any harm to anyone.

Back to the present day and:
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For any lurkers around Lily's dox is not public no matter what she says it is not a matter of public knowledge which shitty basement apartment in Halifax she lives in, the only ones who know that are Lizzy, Mikay, and her inner cult MAYBE. This is a lie.
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I haven't read Lily's tweets on this post but judging from the tweet she's replying to I already know she said an absolutely stupid take

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Oh, our Oooperator's update ate the TLDW of Lily's last stream.
OG LINK: https://mega.nz/file/8gYFzC4a#jYykvqiuKDIvFPDjROvcJ76E1O6loOgN_sYGuxUk5Cs
Boring Boring Boring. Thanks All the same, Devil
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2:04 for Lily giving herself a reminder to take down a stream archive that never did any harm to anyone.

Back to the present day and:
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For any lurkers around Lily's dox is not public no matter what she says it is not a matter of public knowledge which shitty basement apartment in Halifax she lives in, the only ones who know that are Lizzy, Mikay, and her inner cult MAYBE. This is a lie.
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ETA: This drama

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One last thing

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archived 17 Aug 2021 03:34:38 UTC

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Some scant crumbs of information, delicious thought they may be.
I had assumed Carousel was a mutual and sociable breakup but apparently it was "big and dramatic", kind of explains why Carousel isn't around anymore despite the breakup being non-hostile.

What's more interesting than the post is that a minute after she posted this, anonymous asks were turned off. It's like she knew this post was inviting disaster.

 

[Son Goku Baku]

One last thing

https://archive.md/qq9RH

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Some scant crumbs of information, delicious thought they may be.
I had assumed Carousel was a mutual and sociable breakup but apparently it was "big and dramatic", kind of explains why Carousel isn't around anymore despite the breakup being non-hostile.

What's more interesting than the post is that a minute after she posted this, anonymous asks were turned off. It's like she knew this post was inviting disaster.

Not only is she now dragging Ginger because she didn't gave a "good enough" reason for Liliana, despite having pass already weeks since it happened, but also needs to bring out Carousel despite the relationship itself during just a couple of weeks and not saying a word about Liliana since then? That's so disrespectful towards both of these women. I know that Liliana has never been one to do anything gracefully ever but the lack of class is unbelieable. Have some dignity at least. This is just pathetic.

I hope Mikaila's seeing this and paying attention. You could do everything right by Liliana, follow every order she gives out, praise every move she makes, do literally all the art and comics she wants without compensation, but if you commit the sin of breaking up with her sooner or later you'll be dragged through the mod too, just like all others. The only times Liliana broke up with someone were all friendships and it was over not playing the same videogames or... their voice making her uncomfortable, so your options are expect a slight inconvenience to be the thing that breaks everything between you two or have it drag out because you know how bad's going to be for you otherwise.

When Mikaila and Liliana are done, Mikaila won't have anything to fall into. All her friends are Liliana's friends, all her clients are Liliana's audience, all her creative projects are inherently tied to Liliana. It's going to be a big mess regardless of who decides to end it and Mikaila's going to come out the worst no matter what.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Since it got deleted….

Good to see we’re well on our way to “Ginger was actually manipulative and emotionally abusive to me” narrative we all predicted when the breakup happened.

Also saw this on tumblr and felt it was relevant.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

ETA: This drama

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My god, Jerry is such a freak.

Why do people like Jerry who consume vanilla stuff are usually the most horrible people?

I really would like to know.

 

[thebananaonion]

My god, Jerry is such a freak.

Why do people like Jerry who consume vanilla stuff are usually the most horrible people?

I really would like to know.

i mean it's kinda known that people who are into BDSM are some of the most sex positive and have the better sex experiences than vanilla people, and just because you're into fucked things (that are legal and not some form of mental illness like being a pedophile or a zoophile... hey- wait a minute-) doesn't mean you're a terrible person- hell you HAVE to keep your morals incheck if your into bdsm, gore, or whatever kind of non vanilla shit.

Most people who only consume vanily/spread about 'being pure and innocent and not into graphic disgusting stuff' tend to be the biggest retards when it comes too actual shit that matters because their view of the world is childish at best, black and white think also.

It's a discussion that isn't too relevant here but with how 'uwu I'm so pure unlike THOSE freaks' lily potrays herself to be does come off as strange when we know her history, know how mutch she lies, and know how mutch of a degenerate she is.

 

[BreadLoafGuy69]

Right, I think the highlight was trying to determine why Ginger left her, and something about her getting a new boyfriend?

I thought Ginger said she got a lesbian tattoo. Cause, she was a lesbian. Is this an actual boyfriend or is this person a trans woman/non-binary person?

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

One last thing

https://archive.md/qq9RH

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Some scant crumbs of information, delicious thought they may be.
I had assumed Carousel was a mutual and sociable breakup but apparently it was "big and dramatic", kind of explains why Carousel isn't around anymore despite the breakup being non-hostile.

What's more interesting than the post is that a minute after she posted this, anonymous asks were turned off. It's like she knew this post was inviting disaster.

She deleted it. Its obviously still gnawing away inside her.

This little sub panel referencing the meta of Ginger and Lily’s breakup has now become my favourite panel in pokemadhouse.

She’s a fool to beileve anything Lily tells her.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, the issue with Rey and Aliana's is th…

archived 17 Aug 2021 13:42:06 UTC

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Your need find a work around to justify incest is Gross Lily.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

I thought Ginger said she got a lesbian tattoo. Cause, she was a lesbian. Is this an actual boyfriend or is this person a trans woman/non-binary person?

I can't say for certain if it's a boyfriend or girlfriend, but, it's been mentioned before that Ginger had a datemate besides Lily.

Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Since you're in a poly relationship, …

archived 6 Jan 2021 23:26:05 UTC

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Is that the "boyf" we see here? Can't say. But it would make sense.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ginger was bi.
Or was just dating Lily for exposure.

 

[anger is good]

She deleted it. Its obviously still gnawing away inside her.

This little sub panel referencing the meta of Ginger and Lily’s breakup has now become my favourite panel in pokemadhouse.
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She’s a fool to beileve anything Lily tells her.

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Your need find a work around to justify incest is Gross Lily.
(Archives are down for me right now will update later. )

i wonder if mikhaila is friends with ginger. they seemed to like each other from what we've seen, and if mikhaila truly believed it was amicable, theres nothing stopping her from asking ginger what happened

with that being said, the wonderful thing about the missing missing reasons is that lily knows. ginger told her. lily is just incapable of comprehending what happened because she is incapable of believing that she did anything wrong. "i didn't understand" bullshit you did, you just disagree. youre just so far up your ass that your brain is literally distorting reality to avoid confronting your mistakes

so yeah, even if mikhaila asked and knew, she wouldnt be able to explain it to lily. wonderful

 

[That Dumb Derp]

i mean it's kinda known that people who are into BDSM are some of the most sex positive and have the better sex experiences than vanilla people, and just because you're into fucked things (that are legal and not some form of mental illness like being a pedophile or a zoophile... hey- wait a minute-) doesn't mean you're a terrible person- hell you HAVE to keep your morals incheck if your into bdsm, gore, or whatever kind of non vanilla shit.

Most people who only consume vanily/spread about 'being pure and innocent and not into graphic disgusting stuff' tend to be the biggest retards when it comes too actual shit that matters because their view of the world is childish at best, black and white think also.

It's a discussion that isn't too relevant here but with how 'uwu I'm so pure unlike THOSE freaks' lily potrays herself to be does come off as strange when we know her history, know how mutch she lies, and know how mutch of a degenerate she is.

This is actually pretty interesting because it's a large chunk of the "anti-fiction vs pro-fiction" discourse and why it's stupid. As it turns out, in most cases liking degenerate shit (like enjoying BDSM, abuse ships, violence, and etcetera) doesn't 100% reflect the viewer. Someone might like fictional abusive relationships (like Harley Quinn and Joker, Reylo (which is most relevant here), or what have you), incest stories, or even more degenerate shit but not be into this kind of thing happening in the real world because (surprise surprise) fiction ain't reality. Most creators who identify as pro-fiction will state that fiction isn't 100% endorsement, promotion or normalization; or even what they want to do, lewdness wise. Many people in the profiction department would also point out that most anti-shipper/antifiction crowd will also point out that anti-shippers/anti-fiction folks tend to be highly toxic and authoritarian individuals, who want to control the flow of fan-fiction, fan works and fan engagement. Much like with the video game violence argument, psychologists have already been on the road to state that many people who like things; sexuality wise, fiction wise, ectera merely like them as what they are: fantasy. And fantasy has a tendency to mean nothing. You like NTR? Eh; doesn't mean you explicitly like cheating.

This is where Lily steps in; not only as an anti-fiction individual but one who is clearly that way to hide her own misconduct. She has nearly all the traits of a stereotypical anti including an authoritarian streak on nearly everything she writes, using her personal morality to attack creators (both fan and larger creators) for various aspects (such as how Steven Universe handles queerness, or Reylos) and a holier than thou approach. Another trait that some people are willing to note that can and may be more universally applicable to antis than to their proship/profiction counterparts is that they have an abusive/groomer streak formed by their antipedo rhetoric. Remember, Vida was outted as a pedophile; even actively grooming while arguing that Joshscorcher was a pedoenabler. So, keep in mind, given what we know of Lily, this is very much why Lily acts in this way.

Now, let's sorta repost an attempt at doing something I did before the restart?

Feaured:Lily's dumb opinions on FFXIV
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Oooooo boy, where do we start? Like, wow, this is really stupid; stupid enough that it kinda demands a giant post. I apologize for the raw autism coming forth.

"WoW's Warrior has a lot of crunch and weight to it that's hard to explain without resubbing to record footage.

FF14 is very particle effects focused with very slow floaty animations that suit some classes but really don't suit others."

You know, that's actually fair. I play FF14, and I thought the animations looked fine... but maybe WoW does in fact--

*cough* It seems to me the FFXIV animations are the crunchier ones on top of having more particle effects. Granted, the two videos are tricky comparisons since AzuristSky has an annoying tendency to pause after the actions, but attacks tend to go out and be done in a second; even with multi hit attacks. Here's how this looks when actually doing a rotation/opener:

Each animation takes, at longest, 2 seconds; whilst WoW's are often 2 seconds minimum. They don't show much of an impact due to a lack of anything on a target in Wow, but you can tell there's weight and power behind a FFXIV Warrior's attacks; you can see the earth shattering, shockwaves of force; aetherial buzzsaws digging into a target. Notice how Rampage doesn't seem to do much, but you can see the impact and power of Storm's Eye; alongside the aetherial particle effects. Oh! The mention of aether reminds me of something.

Nearly every class uses particle effects because nearly all classes are magical to some extent; due to their lifeblood having aether/magic in it. To put this in DnD/Pathfinder terms, even Extraordinary (Ex) abilities would qualify as Supernatural (Su).

However, note that I'm including video evidence rather than just saying my arguments. I am also aware that it can also open me up to criticism because that's fine, I don't mind being proven wrong about statements if I'm factually incorrect. Figuring out if an animation has "weight" and "crunch" on an objective level is very difficult, because what has weight to some lacks weight for others. Take Dark Souls, for example. Animations in the game range from slow, deliberate and ponderous to swift and rapid; but you can argue that they have weight and crunch because you can *see* the effort it takes for a character to wield them, from a two handed zweihander to a swift estoc. The slow speed is the evidence of weight; you are not a demi-god, you are a man. WoW also has an issue where you just stand idly with your weapon at your hands regardless of its nature as 1 handed or 2 handed, while every class in FFXIV takes into account the weapon's designation. Take the Warrior for example.

Though the pose is a bit awkward, it showcases a heavy, uneasy relationship between the Warrior and their weapon. Just like a real person might struggle holding a weapon. Meanwhile, with WoW...

This is an Arms Warrior (to my knowledge) but LOOK AT THIS. How are you wielding a great sword like a standard longsword?

"There's also the fact that Warriors are restricted to in their aesthetic to "Two Handed Axe Brute." It's a problem that WoW has as well in that two of the three Warrior specs are based almost exclusively off Orcs but taken into an entire class."

To be fair to FFXIV, this has to do with 1.0 spaghetti code, where classes have to be attached to weapons. This is because the FFXIV class system attempted to be based on "Disciples of War, Magic, the Land and the Hand"; where your equipment determined your class. This carries over into 14; but... this does lead into an argument later. That being said, using specific weapons for specific classes / specs makes sense from a game design standpoint, since it allows the animation department to have more detailed and specific animations to use for said class.

also the warriors can be any race and look just fine; though I think lily forgot paladins had two handed hammers in wc3 and trolls were dual wielding all the time

There isn't anything "similar in all but name" because the design philosophy is about being as flashy as possible, where as I don't like that. I want it to be crunchy, responsive, fast and hard hitting. All things that Final Fantasy as a franchise is not good at.

Okay! Now we know what Lily means by "weight" and "crunch". Which, makes my earlier point more substantial and less bizarre. Also, bullshit.

I used a variety of games with a variety of gameplay styles and mechanics; including Final Fantasy 7, 8, 11, 13, 15 and 7 Remake. 7 and 8 are solely limited by their technical limitations (since they were in the 90s) while 13, 15 and 7 Remake have instances of slow-motion to emphasize the speed of the attacks. 11 and 14 have some of the fastest animations in the series whilst also not having any slowdown; important because they're both MMOs. There are some games that couldn't be used because attacks are generic or the limit breaks are modes. I also didn't include the 2d games, since I doubt that's the kind of games Lily was comparing to.

Classes is something Final Fantasy has never been very good at, because Class Identity and flavor doesn't really exist for them. The closest to the gameplay style I'm looking for might be the Gunbreaker, or at the very least it's as close to Kingdom Hearts as you can get, but it's very late game and (once again) a Tank only class.

I'm... sorry. What?

Classes is something Final Fantasy has never been very good at, because Class Identity and flavor doesn't really exist for them.

....WHAT?

Classes is something Final Fantasy has never been very good at,

Class Identity and flavor doesn't really exist for them.

...This is how you know Lily has never played a Final Fantasy game of any style. Lacking identity and flavor isn't something you can say about any of Final Fantasy's classes from FF1 to FF14 or even in any of its spinoffs. Classes are not only defined by their abilities and mechanics in Final Fantasy, but also their aesthetics. A Black Mage isn't just the wizard who blows them up; they're the shadowy-faced, glowing eyed wizard with a giant conical hat and robes hiding their features.

This is where my previous point that I put a pin in returns; restricting weapons to their respective classes also helps to attach an identity to the class they're assigned to in FFXIV; thus allowing their class to define the aesthetics, style and flavor. For example, Warrior is a feral, bestial brutal fighter built around axes. Additionally, while multiple classes wield two handed melee weapons (Warriors, Dark Knights, Samurai, Dragoons), all of them use them differently and with different aesthetics. Warriors are brutal, have heft and have primal rage behind their blows. Dark Knights are more magically aided, but wrathful in their own way; on top of having a more defensive pose for their blade versus the more offensive pose for Warrior. Samurai are quick, methodical and utilize quick draws. Dragoon is agile, thrusts alot, and utilizes inhuman leaps to fight. This is all one style of weapon but WoW utilizes the same kinds of skills for Retribution Paladin, Arms Warrior, Blood Death Knight, Survival Hunter and Unholy Death Knight unless you see the occasional gimmick from Hunter or spells from Paladin and Death Knight.

Gameplay, Flavor, and Role are all strictly separate things and picking one means you need to sacrifice the others.

Not necessarily, but this is a nonsequitor that Lily never fully explains.

One thing I can credit WoW for is understanding that Flavor is very important. FF14 looks at Fury Warrior, Frost DK, Outlaw Rogue, Windwalker Monk and Havoc Demon Hunter and says "well, they're all the same thing, so just plays Rogue." WoW understands that while they might play in similar ways, there's an important distinction.

Considering nearly *all* of their guides says "balancing cooldowns with resources" in the first paragraph and even sentence, that is a worrying sign. Obviously, that's reductive, but besides one "gimmick", they tend to be built around maybe one or two abilities. Classes in FFXIV on the other hand tend to be built around specific gauges and "windows", which is entirely different from class to class. FFXIV doesn't simply see "wow, why play anything but rogue?" but rather "how can we condense the classes so they're all unique and different? what can Fury Warrior do that a Frost DK doesn't do that a Outlaw Rogue doesn't do that a Havoc Demonhunter doesn't do?"

FF14 leans too hard on the fact that you can switch classes, which is something WoW just doesn't have. So every class has at least one viable DPS spec because rerolling isn't something that people can reliably do. Because FF14 relies on the fact that you can swap classes, they don't let you walk out of certain niches and play around with ideas.

Lily has technically correct facts, but the wrong conclusions. Many classes in WoW have similar specs to other specs; (alongside access to at least one DPS spec); which makes them feel more homogenized. FF14 leans on treating each class as a specialization of a role, while giving them each a unique mechanical identity and gameplay loop. While Lily is correct in that you cannot walk out of a niche in FFXIV's classes, you can always try new classes at any time; and if your class gets nerfed into the ground, you are always able to pick up a new class.

ALL the Melee DPS is Rogue, Rogue, Rogue, Survival Hunter for some reason.

• Monk is a combo class with a flowing, variable combo system that is based on your need of effects or abilities. Going only Bootshine > True Strike > Demolish may reduce your need to move, but you're not getting the most out of your attacks. Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch will give a buff that you can't use if you only use this combo (Leaden Fists, from Dragon Kick), Twin Snakes deals less damage than True Strike and Snap Punch does more immediate damage, but no Damage over Time. Thus, a Monk is encouraged to Boot Shine > Twin Snakes > Demolish > Dragon Kick > True Strike > Snap Punch > Bootshine; adding Twin Snakes, Demolish and Dragon Kick every so often. And this is before considering Chakra, your Fists buff or your cooldowns. I don't fully understand it since I've never played Monk.
• Dragoon rotates their two combos starting from True Thrust: Vorpal > Full Thrust deals high damage and is flanking based with Fang and Claw as a finisher during Blood of the Dragon while Disembowel > Chaos Thrust is a rear based action with a similarly rear based finish with Wheeling Thrust. Blood of the Dragon is a buff you'll need to activate to enter the "meat" of the rotation; with Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw to extend it, with Jump/High Jump and Spineshatter Dive into Mirage Dive; done to grant Eyes of the Dragon to turn the Blood of the Dragon Gauge into Life of the Dragon. All throughout, you're also using Geirskogul/Nastrond, Stardiver and Dragonfire Dive as bonus damage.
• Ninja has 3 skill combo system akin to pre-Blood of the Dragon Dragoon; with the choice of Finisher either doing high damage with Aeolian Edge or increasing a haste buff (Armor Crush) but also needs to utilize Trick Attack to buff the party's damage. Additionally, they also gain Ninjitsu at level 30; requiring them to some specific abilities through the Mudras Ten, Chi, and Jin; and the combination the player utilizes. This includes the means to get Trick Attack, or various means of damage, damage of time, Huton (the haste effect), crowd control on some occasions. Additonally, abilities exist that need cooldown or Ninki; though there's also Ten Chi Jin, which gives you quick Ninjutsus on demand.
• Lastly, Samurai is a bizarre combination of Ninja and Dragoon; with three combos starting from Hakaze (Hakaze > Jinpu > Gekko for a buff, Hakaze > Shifu > Kasha for haste, and Hakaze > Yukikaze for a significant increase in Kenki). These combos each grant a specific Sen; which depending on the number of Sen obtained, determines what you can use for Iaijutsu; from the DoT Higanbana, the AoE Tenka Goken or the hard hitting Midare Setsugekka, which can be combo'd into itself using Tsubame-Gaeshi. Kenki also provides oGCD attacks, and by using Iaijutsu, Tsubame-Gaeshi and Meditation, you can perform Shoha for additional damage... or just do three Iaijutsus.

Let's hope Lily's statement isn't more--

Ranged DPS is Mage, Mage, Mage, Affliction Lock, Outlaw Rogue. Hell, their most unique sounding class, the Summoner, spends more time casting Dark Magic than summoning things.

This... feels odd to me; especially that last part. Namely, because Summoner doesn't have Dark Magic. Is she talking about the aesthetics of Bio and Miasma? We don't know. But let's get into things.

• Bard is a DoT based, proc-based, buffing ranged class, with what boils down to three "stances" based on the Songs they use; namely Mage's Ballad, Army's Paeon and Wanderer's Minuet; each with their own mechanics based on when the DoTs ticks (Repertoire). Repertoire in Mage's Ballad for example, refreshes Rain of Death and Bloodletter's cooldown, Army's Paeon boosts attack speed, and Wanderer's Minuet gives a chargable super attack, Pitch Perfect. Additionally, they can utilize an attack, Iron Jaws, to ensure their DoTs are up without needing to apply them both manually. Eventually, Soul Voice is obtained with Apex Arrow; with Repertoire boosting the gauge and charging Apex Arrow.
• Machinist has a simple combo (like a melee class) but also has a few off-global cooldowns. Two of them, Gauss Round and Ricochet deal small damage but can be rapidly fired up to three times in a row after full cooldown; gaining 1 charge per 30 seconds (or in another method), Drill; which launches a fuckoff drill and shares a timer with the AoE DoT of Bioblaster and Air Anchor, a giant screw off attack. Based on your attacks, you can then use Hypercharge and Wildfire; the former activating a mode where you can make a rapid barrage of Heat Blasts/Auto Crossbows; which deal single target or aoes. Heat Blast also refreshes Gauss Round and Ricochet. Meanwhile, by building up the battery gauge, you also have the ability to summon a automaton or turret, to deal damage alongside you.
• Dancer is weird; like a combination of Bard and Ninja; except slightly random. Standard Step and Technical Step are only one result based on how successful you are, but are buffs for yourself and a partner (Standard Step) or the party (Technical Step). Every so often, you get bonus versions of your combos, and you also get Fan Dances. Sometimes. Eventually, you build up Esprit for Saber Dance. The class is basically an aoe chainsaw with damage buffs.
• Black Mage is a combination of Mage and Balance Druid with a rotating mechanic of stances. Astral Fire is the damage state; with an increase of damage based on the number of stacks you have while Umbral Ice is the "recovery" state; replenishing MP. As you level, you also gain Enochian; which is a free damage buff that you get by maintaining Astral Fire and Umbral Ice. You can switch between the two without losing Enochian through the cooldown Transpose or by using Fire III to get Astral Fire III or Blizzard III or Freeze to get Umbral Ice III. Eventually you get Fire IV; a high powered damage spell that doesn't refresh Astral Fire (thus requiring usage of Fire every so often) and Blizzard IV, which gives 3 Umbral Hearts which discount MP used for Fire spells. Even later on, you gain Polyglot; used to spend on either Foul or Xenoglossy for massive damage.
• Summoner does not use Dark Magic. They use their pet (Garuda for aoes, Ifrit for single target and Titan for defensive support) for many of their abilities and Miasma and Bio as their DoTs (also applicable through Tri-Disaster), but the vast majority of their moveset utilizes Egi Assault or Egi Assault II to attack with their pets; giving them Ruin IV for additional damage and mobility and using their Aetherpool to gain access to Dreadwyrm Trance, then Summon Demi Bahamut and then Summon Demi Phoenix. Additionally; they can use Enkindle, Enkindle Bahamut and Enkindle Phoenix to deal high damage as off cooldown abilities. Oh yeah they have a rez.
• Red Mage is technically the most open ended class; and uses a flowchart of abilities boiling down to priorities. Every time you cast a spell with a cast time, you get Dual Cast, which is then spent to make the next spell free; so you cast Small Spell > Dual Cast Big Spell. As you do this, you build up Mana, to use on a melee combo, finish them off with a big boom then a bigger boom. They also have oGCDs, a party buff, a self buff, a viable heal, and a very abusable rez.

Hooof. That was LONG.

The flavor of the classes is extremely limited. More so than in any other MMO. I feel the weight of restrictions in everything but class design in WoW. But I feel that same weight in the classes of FF14 and they are NOT at all.

Fun is subjective; I'll let her have that. But to say that they aren't flavorful is to deny the fact that they all play differently.

Which I sort of understand. FF14's 18 specs will inevitably struggle to match up to WoW's 36 specs. FF14 said "Play a Prot Warrior, an Unholy DK or a Ret Paladin" and I don't like those specs.

I mean, WoW has superflous specs that pissed people off when the class identity is diluted. All 18 classes in FFXIV are very different; even in the same roles; but I was better able to deconstruct her claims about each of those roles she named; and she doesn't explain "how" they are the same.

Remember when she basically lied in her TF2 review? This feels like deja vu.