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[Dyn]

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The fucking bastards killed Laura's account. Her YT is still up so here's hoping it was just anti-woke Twitter sperging that got her in trouble. You know, those fuckers will let all those troons say the most vile, violence-baiting shit but they dare not tolerate the one decent trans woman willing to talk to her enemies. Can't have people actually discussing their differences, God forbid. She was fine when she was posting screaming videos, she was fine when she was waving her gun around yelling about terfs, but once she starts giving thoughtful commentary and encouraging dialog, they have to zap her. Fucking hell, man. I hate big tech so very, very much.

Keep your head up, girl. They wouldn't be trying to shut you down if they weren't afraid.

I think she just changed her name dude.

 

[Spooky Bones]

Laura says she will step back (very understandable) from ILJ coverage (which I know well is bad for your mental health.) I liked these retrospective videos. Also she says the next Duckstream is gonna be live. That should be fun.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Sometimes I forget you're a communist

Thought her political stance is less Karl Marx and more Mikhail Bakunin?

 

[CammieDoxGirl]

Thought her political stance is less Karl Marx and more Mikhail Bakunin?

I will easily take Bakunin over Marx. I've always identified more as an Anarchist than a communist. Bakunin was right about MLs. I just drastically want to redistribute big tech profits and propriety ownership of today. Choices made with Ai and automation should be mostly democratic. I think the inequality in our technology driven current society has gotten really out of control.

 

[Dyn]

I will easily take Bakunin over Marx. I've always identified more as an Anarchist than a communist. Bakunin was right about MLs. I just drastically want to redistribute big tech profits and propriety ownership of today. Choices made with Ai and automation should be mostly democratic. I think the inequality in our technology driven current society has gotten really out of control.

Okay but are you for or against hanging the POTUS from a lamppost?

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I've always identified more as an Anarchist than a communist.

My main problem with systems to the left from social democracy is that they all appear to be too optimistic about human nature. They just assume people would accept the new system and happily work together for better tomorrow. There is no built-in mechanism to stop potential rise of another Stalin who under the guise of revolutionary zeal would make things worse for everybody and become de facto absolute monarch.

Choices made with Ai and automation should be mostly democratic. I think the inequality in our technology driven current society has gotten really out of control.

You mean choices regarding AI and automation or AI being used for decision-making?

 

[CammieDoxGirl]

Okay but are you for or against hanging the POTUS from a lamppost?

hehehr Not trying to incriminate myself here so I will remind people seriously, do not to try to do this or "joke" that you are going to. We all know I can't stand Biden and he is an absolute joke. Not my presidunt!!

My main problem with systems to the left from social democracy is that they all appear to be too optimistic about human nature. They just assume people would accept the new system and happily work together for better tomorrow. There is no built-in mechanism to stop potential rise of another Stalin who under the guise of revolutionary zeal would make things worse for everybody and become de facto absolute monarch.

I believe authoritarian lefties are doomed to become what they hate and I think it's absolutely reasonable for people to demand they have some say in the changes to the system. I like the idea of implementing Anarchist policies peice by peice as solutions to economies and government having very major shortcomings. The intention is not to offer a replacement government but to eventually eliminate the need for an overarching government and to eliminate artificial hierarchies based on class. I think Ai has the potential to assist this elimination down the line.

These can be easily publicly seen as a number of Socialist policies but the desired outcome is a collectivist society with a small and nearly nonexistent government.

You mean choices regarding AI and automation or AI being used for decision-making?

I believe we currently have more means in the hands of very shortsighted individuals than we should and it's bad for our health. If we were able to use technology to eliminate tedious and painful jobs that people hate doing and streamline people into working towards fulfillment in life, I think we could have a safer and better functioning society in the near future. Perhaps more self sustaining rather than profit driven and people willing to still bust their ass should be paid rather well.

The way Ai is being used now is running people into the grave for the sake of reaching marginal corporate profits. We let the elites use us like bytes in a machine and we are losing our humanity. People are sick and working themselves to death and lying to themselves to cope with their poor quality of life and its a painfully large number of us.

Maybe I'm optimistic but I prefer positive reinforcement which we are sorely lacking in society. People are so depressed and just want to drop out and tell work to fuck off. I can only hope it doesn't have to stay like this.

 

[Dyn]

hehehr Not trying to incriminate myself here so I will remind people seriously, do not to try to do this or "joke" that you are going to. We all know I can't stand Biden and he is an absolute joke. Not my presidunt!!

If you could only hang one living President, ex-President, or failed Presidential candidate from a lamp post, which one would you choose?

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

I believe authoritarian lefties are doomed to become what they hate and I think it's absolutely reasonable for people to demand they have some say in the changes to the system.

Fully agree. There are people who want power just for the sake of power and they would look for their way there no matter what the system is.

I like the idea of implementing Anarchist policies peice by peice as solutions to economies and government having very major shortcomings. The intention is not to offer a replacement government but to eventually eliminate the need for an overarching government and to eliminate artificial hierarchies based on class. I think Ai has the potential to assist this elimination down the line.

The problem with anarchy is similar to the problem with libertarianism. If your goal is disassembling power structures you can't leave people to do their thing because it'll lead to some kind of oligarchy and some form of corporations. Some people will always be more successful and their businesses will keep growing until they can monopolize the field. If it's capitalism \ libertarianism - it'll be called corporations. If it's anarchism \ collectivism - it'll be a big and successful collective.
And if you try to limit it, well, it's no longer libertarianism \ anarchy.

If we were able to use technology to eliminate tedious and painful jobs that people hate doing and streamline people into working towards fulfillment in life, I think we could have a safer and better functioning society in the near future.

There is a problem here too. Two problems actually. If you eliminate tedious and painful jobs work becomes a luxury. You can deal with it in two ways and neither is perfect.
1. You treat work as a value in itself and don't offer any extra benefits. If you do this you'll probably find yourself lacking workforce to keep the society going.
2. You give extra benefits to those who work. But if you do this you create new quasi-aristocracy and make people compete for available jobs therefore we're back at square one.

Maybe I'm optimistic but I prefer positive reinforcement which we are sorely lacking in society. People are so depressed and just want to drop out and tell work to fuck off

No argument, I like some positive reinforcement too

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I just drastically want to redistribute big tech profits and propriety ownership of today. Choices made with Ai and automation should be mostly democratic. I think the inequality in our technology driven current society has gotten really out of control.

Sadly, historically there has never been more equality in the world than there is in the West now, but that feels like a cop-out argument, I know - with the wealth and knowledge we have we could be doing much better. And while we were on the right track, it does feel like tech and media giants dominating everything are slowly dragging us backwards now. It has absolutely gotten out of control.

Question for you, Laura: Ancient Egypt held it together for 2500 years (with breaks) with a divine monarchy and a resource redistribution system arranged by the state and its officials, with trade on the side. That redistribution system was probably the closest to a form of functioning communist-like resource sharing a large society ever had, but it came with a rigid socio-economic hierarchy in society. Obviously that system only worked in relatively 'simple' times with limited resources. But would you accept a socio-economic hierarchy in society that still creates elites, if they also ensure that basic resources are redistributed so that all have access to them and no one has to be poor? I always wondered if maybe this is the best humanity can do, because humans everywhere always end up creating some sort of hierachy of haves and have-nots. Or do you think we should always strive to get rid of the government/state hierachy?

 

[CammieDoxGirl]

If your goal is disassembling power structures you can't leave people to do their thing because it'll lead to some kind of oligarchy and some form of corporations. Some people will always be more successful and their businesses will keep growing until they can monopolize the field. If it's capitalism \ libertarianism - it'll be called corporations. If it's anarchism \ collectivism - it'll be a big and successful collective.
And if you try to limit it, well, it's no longer libertarianism \ anarchy.

I think with gradual change and building sustainability we have an opportunity to gradually, safely remove limitations. I think this would need to be done carefully to form a collective that doesn't become overbearing. Again I might be a little optimistic but I'm thinking we could potentially actually remove the hierarchies safely and have a more self sustaining system.

There is a problem here too. Two problems actually. If you eliminate tedious and painful jobs work becomes a luxury. You can deal with it in two ways and neither is perfect.
1. You treat work as a value in itself and don't offer any extra benefits. If you do this you'll probably find yourself lacking workforce to keep the society going.

I think making the work seem more meaningful at least helps to encourage this sentiment.

2. You give extra benefits to those who work. But if you do this you create new quasi-aristocracy and make people compete for available jobs therefore we're back at square one.

I think UBI could help to mitigate this issue but we would need to get people access and encouragement to refine their skills. We will need people to do hard jobs, jobs that have higher learning curves and entertainers/content creators, writers and journalists.. artists. I do believe people need to be encouraged to try to do fulfilling work rather than not. I would just hope that they can appreciate what it is they do rather than feel forced into it.

No argument, I like some positive reinforcement too

This would all take integrating today's technology with things we haven't tried before and would take a lot of cooperation around the globe. I believe it would take a generation or two but I think big picture wise these gradual changes are obtainable. I hope so anyways. I worry about what's happening to people and to the environment right now.

I know - with the wealth and knowledge we have we could be doing much better. And while we were on the right track, it does feel like tech and media giants dominating everything are slowly dragging us backwards now. It has absolutely gotten out of control.

I agree. It's a mess and a missed opportunity if we don't at least try to change this structure.

Question for you, Laura: Ancient Egypt held it together for 2500 years (with breaks) with a divine monarchy and a resource redistribution system arranged by the state and its officials, with trade on the side. That redistribution system was probably the closest to a form of functioning communist-like resource sharing a large society ever had, but it came with a rigid socio-economic hierarchy in society. Obviously that system only worked in relatively 'simple' times with limited resources. But would you accept a socio-economic hierarchy in society that still creates elites, if they also ensure that basic resources are redistributed so that all have access to them and no one has to be poor? I always wondered if maybe this is the best humanity can do, because humans everywhere always end up creating some sort of hierachy of haves and have-nots. Or do you think we should always strive to get rid of the government/state hierachy?

I think eliminating the hierarchy should be the long term objective but it might take implementing certain power structures to get to that self sustaining, more anarchist society. These things will take time and that's where I align myself with other communists in that I believe we will need a form of governance to get to that point, where society can sustain itself without an outdated type of rulership and subsequent power structure.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Again I might be a little optimistic but I'm thinking we could potentially actually remove the hierarchies safely and have a more self sustaining system.

I don't think removing hierarchies entirely would ever be achievable. Hierarchies based on wealth - maybe but as long as we remain human we'll need some kind of law and law enforcement (not all crimes are motivated by material needs - we have criminally insane people, we have people committing sex crimes, we have people who may simply snap, we have religious and political extremists - therefore we'll always need someone to keep the general population safe from them).

I think making the work seem more meaningful at least helps to encourage this sentiment.

Don't know what's your work experience and don't want to powerlevel too much but in my experience work becomes less fulfilling and more... habitual as times goes.

I think UBI could help to mitigate this issue but we would need to get people access and encouragement to refine their skills.

Well, I know that if I could I would take a break from working if I could support myself without it. And then I would probably work less than I do now.
Not that I'm against it if they can figure out how to get sustainable financing for it and keep people motivated to work so I have some place to spend it

We will need people to do hard jobs, jobs that have higher learning curves and entertainers/content creators, writers and journalists.. artists. I do believe people need to be encouraged to try to do fulfilling work rather than not. I would just hope that they can appreciate what it is they do rather than feel forced into it.

The problem is, we need people performing hard and taxing jobs. We need someone to maintain the machines. We need doctors. We need professions that can't be replaced by machines. While I can imagine an artist working for non-financial benefits I think we would be short on doctors and technicians.

I worry about what's happening to people and to the environment right now.

Indeed, it's not easy to not be a doomer sometimes

 

[Monkey Sorcerer]

For example rather than dropping the brand name(which catches a lot of attention) I've considered my logo being CDG and going by the acronym more often.

I'm late and still reading the thread-turned-AMA but have you ever considered becoming a CommieDuckGirl?

 

[Jagraveen]

I think eliminating the hierarchy should be the long term objective but it might take implementing certain power structures to get to that self sustaining, more anarchist society. These things will take time and that's where I align myself with other communists in that I believe we will need a form of governance to get to that point, where society can sustain itself without an outdated type of rulership and subsequent power structure.

I don't think society is going to be stable under an anarchist way of life, especially if it's combined with communism because humans as a whole are not hiveminds nor do they all have the same exact interests. Hierarchies were created so that the normal functioning people can be separated from lowlife criminals.
The fact you have some form of government in your hypothetical society planned proves that anarchism can't work, and it especially can't work under communism becuase all that does is starve people to death and deprive them of their belongings.

 

[NerdShamer]

Well, hierarchies aren't always formed by wealth. Although, it is a driving factor in climbing it; there are fields where it's determined by how educated someone is or it's based upon seniority.

But most of the time, it starts off with whoever owns the business or land. They expand by buying out whoever's going under or wherever the opportunity arises. And they might die off somewhere along the lines because the books are balanced or what their into is falling out of demand.

And speaking of economics, what kind of expenses for employers would face if we talking about life under socialism when you compare it to capitalism?

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I do believe people need to be encouraged to try to do fulfilling work rather than not.

If we achieve that before anything else it would chang a lot already. I think Europe is doing a bit better at that than America since social security is better here, and we at least have a strong ideal that you should get fulfillment from your job. Of course many don't. The increase in office and computer work while outside labour is disappearing has not helped.

I worry about what's happening to people and to the environment right now.

Yeah, it's hard not to get upset about the state of it all.
Sidenote, but this is why a lot of kiwis hate terminally online consoomer cows so much. Consoomers won't rest until every fictional character has at least three funko pops (made in China, of course) that they can put on a shelf and forget about while they get their torture-chicken tendies. They don't need the environment to be protected because they don't go outside anyway.
Some of them (like Kelly Lenza) love to screech that 'there is no ethical consumption under communism' and use that as an excuse for their rampant consumerism. While I don't like communism at least the old school commie theorists weren't 400 lbs and living in a McMansion.

 

[Dyn]

@CammieDoxGirl POV ; you only have one truck bomb. Pentagon or White House?

 

[CammieDoxGirl]

I'm late and still reading the thread-turned-AMA but have you ever considered becoming a CommieDuckGirl?

I hear that one and might jokingly use it. CommieDGurl and CDG is doing pretty good so far.

I don't think society is going to be stable under an anarchist way of life, especially if it's combined with communism because humans as a whole are not hiveminds nor do they all have the same exact interests.

Communism is the vehicle towards a more anarchist society. I will admit that a pure anarchist society may never exist but it is something to strive towards and I will not deny that it will take a lot of cooperation to get there.

Hierarchies were created so that the normal functioning people can be separated from lowlife criminals.

But hierarchies don't work that way. People are wealthy by birthright and occasionally thru friendship and the upperclass commit some of the most heinous forms of inhumanity with impunity. Class mobility is rare these days. Meanwhile artificial scarcity creates crimes in our neighborhoods and on the street.

The meritocracy bs that we pump endless amounts of money into creating propeganda over is all a lie and a cozy little lie which denies the reality that our earth exists in a hostile universe that doesn't give a fuck about our existence and nothing is sacred. Capitalists try to rub this in our faces.

And speaking of economics, what kind of expenses for employers would face if we talking about life under socialism when you compare it to capitalism?

I am in favor of globally getting rid of billionaires. I see them as a leech and without them I don't think employers who legit give people an opportunity wouldn't need to do anything more but I would hope their passing of the torch would be rewarded better. Under capitalism they are motivated to pay the least.

If we achieve that before anything else it would chang a lot already. I think Europe is doing a bit better at that than America since social security is better here, and we at least have a strong ideal that you should get fulfillment from your job. Of course many don't. The increase in office and computer work while outside labour is disappearing has not helped.

I don't think people like crossing the border to live like a fugitive and pick apples in Fresno & live in a 1 bedroom apartment with 14 other people for $5/hr... I don't think they like to bust their hands up for so little. If it can't be automated then I don't understand why outside of beurocracy we can't take the money from lazy billionaires and give it to them. I prefer to work outside personally. People are going to need to drive and love to drive for some money so let them. Fuck automating trucks and delivery cars honestly. I just believe that the richest elite are standing in the way and nothing more really. We can develop more environmentally friendly cars faster than we can automate them all anyways.

Yeah, it's hard not to get upset about the state of it all.

totes!

Sidenote, but this is why a lot of kiwis hate terminally online consoomer cows so much. Consoomers won't rest until every fictional character has at least three funko pops (made in China, of course) that they can put on a shelf and forget about while they get their torture-chicken tendies. They don't need the environment to be protected because they don't go outside anyway.
Some of them (like Kelly Lenza) love to screech that 'there is no ethical consumption under communism' and use that as an excuse for their rampant consumerism. While I don't like communism at least the old school commie theorists weren't 400 lbs and living in a McMansion.

LOL 4 REAL THO

@CammieDoxGirl POV ; you only have one truck bomb. Pentagon or White House?

lol as much as I hate both I don't want to hurt ppl. They have families and shit and yah they decided to be bootlickers but I don't want to encourage suffering and people going thru unessacary violence.

 

[Dyn]

lol as much as I hate both I don't want to hurt ppl. They have families and shit and yah they decided to be bootlickers but I don't want to encourage suffering and people going thru unessacary violence.

Okay lame but how about this if you were taking a thumbs-up selfie next to a pile of dead US Senators that other people bayoneted to death, which ones would you put at the top of the pile for optimal pile aesthetics?

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

The meritocracy bs that we pump endless amounts of money into creating propeganda over is all a lie and a cozy little lie which denies the reality that our earth exists in a hostile universe that doesn't give a fuck about our existence and nothing is sacred. Capitalists try to rub this in our faces.

I think what you're criticizing is actually plutocracy, not meritocracy. Meritocracy, if uncorrupted, means that if someone puts a lot of effort into learning something difficult or sacrifice their time and well-being to do something that's tedious and unfulfilling but necessary for the society to prosper, they should be rewarded accordingly for it. That seems rather fair.
Plutocracy is just (shadowy) rule of the rich: the rich getting away with their misdeeds, corporations affecting lawmaking and so on; that's what we should criticize.