Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Random Internet Person]

It depends on how you define "war". The two of you might have to agree to disagree on this one, I think.

However, I'd offer a third take: we actually DID win the war, if by "we", we mean the people who got us into the war, and by "win", we mean accomplish those people's geo-strategic aims. We won the conventional war (obviously) and we also won the occupation war.

The Invasion of Afghanistan was never about regime change and establishing liberal democracy in the Middle East. It wasn't about going after Bin Laden, either, whom many in the intelligence community believed was either dead or elsewhere.

The Invasion of Afghanistan had four primary aims:

1. the lend legitimacy to the War on Terror and what, at the time, was referred to as "the neoconservative agenda" - the establishment and growth of the national-security state (which was originally going to be used against Muslims, but as people at the time warned, has now grown to be used against Muslims, Christians, anarchists, white people. black people, shitposters, transphobes, and normies who only want to grill)
2. to position American soldiers in what Halford Mackinder termed "the Heartland"; that geographic region between the three great power blocs of Europe, Russia, and China.
3. to provide for the Military-Industrial complex an absolute windfall of profits, in the form of both weapons sales AND construction contracts. (get paid to blow up the country, get paid to rebuild.
4. to secure and exploit Afghanistan's valuable natural resources, e.g. lithium, rare-earth elements, and heroin.

The Afghan War succeeded beyond anyone's expectations at (1) and (3). (2) was a success for twenty years, and we've still got so many bases overseas that a drawdown in Afghanistan is hardly noteworthy (except to journos and the public, who have been encouraged to learn about Afghanistan, and not, say, American involvement in the now sixty year long Moro war). (4) was largely successful, too - and while the glory days of Afghan poppy profits may be behind us, it'd be silly to call twenty years of successful plundering "a loss".

4 is just what China’s going to be doing now. And they’ll pay hush money over Xinjaing (assuming the Taliban give a shit).

I think it's a matter of time when people realize they've lost the right to vote. "No Taxation Without Representation" is still a thing.

I mean, people have lost faith over the elections after 2020. All that needs is people thinking there’s going to be a return to 2020 rules.

 

[Blasterisk]

How careful do those who write Bidens speeches have to be tonight?

Not very, he'll, you know, ad-lib the thing. He's from PA, and he beat down poolside bullies with his leg hair.

 

[AJneedsElocution]

Is the airspace above the airport even open to ingoing/outgoing traffic again yet?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Born upon the blue ridge, at the Carolina line
Baptized on the banks of the new river
Brought upon blue grass and clear moon shine
And tough as iron but a heart soft as leather

Levi, lord, lord, lord, they shot him down
Ten thousand miles from a southern town
Oh, Levi

Like a fire on a mountain, running wild with no states
Playing Knights of the Golden Horseshoe
And Indian raids
Now it's parachutes and combat boots
And camouflaged airplanes
And a country boy who don't belong
In the desert anyways

Levi, lord, lord, lord, they shot him down
Ten thousand miles from a southern town
Oooooooh, Levi

Well the sandbox sure gets lonesome
And it's a hundred and nine degrees
Singing carry my back to Virginia
Lord I'm down here on my knees
In a market skrell while the bells were ringing
Loud to fill the air
Levi gazed his eyes out, to the rocket player
Beyond the desert and the ocean
To the farthest fields on home
And when the bullets pierced his body
He was already gone

Levi, lord, lord, lord, they shot him down
Ten thousand miles from a southern town
Oh, Levi, lord, lord, lord, they shot him down
Oh, Levi, oh Levi

All my memories, gather 'round her.

We won't forget this glowies. You wasted our blood like you wasted your money. And then you insulted us and had the commanding general stand in front of the cameras and say he wanted to understand our rage. Look in the mirror. See the face that looks back at you. And you will understand.

 

[Bongocat]

4 is just what China’s going to be doing now. And they’ll pay hush money over Xinjaing (assuming the Taliban give a shit).

I mean, people have lost faith over the elections after 2020. All that needs is people thinking there’s going to be a return to 2020 rules.

Not enough people have lost it. You still have most people unironically saying (even in this very thread) "we should focus on 2024" or "omg this is so bad for Biden's optics" not understanding that optics do not matter now, you can't vote.

If the general public actually knew that in their hearts, you'd see a hell of a lot of federal buildings catching flame at the very least.

 

[Tour of Italy]

All my memories, gather 'round her.

We won't forget this glowies.

This is the real reason why the Military is going woke.

They know that they have already spent several generations worth of patriotism in the American right and turned them against interventionism for decades.

They are desperate to court anyone and everyone else and con them into thinking that it's stunning and brave to die for Honeywell.

 

[Ahriman]

So uh, there it is. Flappy dude got caught in one of those.

HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD!

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

They're talking 25th and Impeachment already.

They're even talking about throwing Cockmala out on her cackling ass and viewing Pelosi as the lesser evil.

But Pelosi does NOT want to be president. She's got a nice cushy thing set up and planned (or at least claims to plan) on retiring in 2022.

This has potential massive repercussions. There is no "I will do this distasteful thing for the good of the nation" any more, just "How can I build up and profit from kingdom building" and "Who can I suck off, open my asscheeks for, to get a load of money blown into me?"

People already had a great mistrust of the government. People are seeing the Leeloo Dallas Vaxpass as what it is with what's happening in New York.

Biden went and hid in bed while Jill managed his calls. He kept taking lids. He didn't talk to any other world leaders. Harris is MIA. Psaki had to be dragged back to DC where she looks completely out of her league.

This has huge ramification and consequences. Not just to foreign policy, not just to America's ability to work on the world stage, but to the entire West as well as domestic concerns.

Like someone said upthread: This isn't the straw that broke the camel's back, this is the elephant that crushed it.

To quote the old song:

"I hear the train a-coming, coming round the bend..."

And this isn't going to be Thomas the Tank Engine.

This train is on fire, has jumped the tracks, and isn't slowing down.

 

[Bongocat]

Biden went and hid in bed while Jill managed his calls. He kept taking lids.

Real talk: I had never once heard the phrase "called a lid" before Biden and now I hear it every other day

 

[Rumpled Foreskin]

@Jet Fuel Johnny who is saying what about impeachment?

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Is the airspace above the airport even open to ingoing/outgoing traffic again yet?

no

it appears an Ad-Hoc Northern Alliance Militia and reorganized ANA group is counterattacking the city with air support

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1427762159111581696?s=20

This is according to /GPG on /Pol anyway

 

[God of Nothing]

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So uh, there it is. Flappy dude got caught in one of those.

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HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD!

supreme retards, these cowardly aghanicucks. Taliban Chads get to laugh and take their wives, if they had any.

 

[DumbDude42]

They're talking 25th and Impeachment already.

They're even talking about throwing Cockmala out on her cackling ass and viewing Pelosi as the lesser evil.

But Pelosi does NOT want to be president. She's got a nice cushy thing set up and planned (or at least claims to plan) on retiring in 2022.

This has potential massive repercussions. There is no "I will do this distasteful thing for the good of the nation" any more, just "How can I build up and profit from kingdom building" and "Who can I suck off, open my asscheeks for, to get a load of money blown into me?"

People already had a great mistrust of the government. People are seeing the Leeloo Dallas Vaxpass as what it is with what's happening in New York.

Biden went and hid in bed while Jill managed his calls. He kept taking lids. He didn't talk to any other world leaders. Harris is MIA. Psaki had to be dragged back to DC where she looks completely out of her league.

This has huge ramification and consequences. Not just to foreign policy, not just to America's ability to work on the world stage, but to the entire West as well as domestic concerns.

Like someone said upthread: This isn't the straw that broke the camel's back, this is the elephant that crushed it.

To quote the old song:

"I hear the train a-coming, coming round the bend..."

And this isn't going to be Thomas the Tank Engine.

This train is on fire, has jumped the tracks, and isn't slowing down.

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very optimistic take imo
i think that in terms of american domestic politics nothing much will come of this. couple weeks, maybe months, and it will be old news, memory holed, irrelevant. swamp doesnt care, dem voters either don't care or cope with the usual "orange mans's fault!" stuff, rep voters will seethe impotently for a while and then forget about it like they always do.

and civil war? people didn't take up arms when nignogs were burning american cities last year, they didn't take up arms when they thought that a literal federal election was stolen from them, but you think they will take up arms over some retard shit going down in some backwards desert shithole on the other side of the planet? fuck no they won't.

 

[Aidan]

Talichad arresting a degenerate with an RPG...BASED

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1) People like this are who the Afghan army lost to. "Well trained" my ass. Not that I think any of our training and gear would have ultimately saved them, and apparently their leadership threw them under the bus harder than ours is.
2) We now live in a time where third worlders can give us direct feeds of regime change. I want more vids.

 

[Sped Xing]

To quote the old song:

"I hear the train a-coming, coming round the bend..."

Who can drink coffee and smoke big cigars at a time like this?

 

[AJneedsElocution]

no

it appears an Ad-Hoc Northern Alliance Militia and reorganized ANA group is counterattacking the city with air support

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1427762159111581696?s=20

This is according to /GPG on /Pol anyway

Well a Biden press conference at a time where we have no secure transit zone for our peeps should be good for a giggle i guess

 

[Ahriman]

 

[Mepsi Pax]

In case anyone was wondering, ALL refugee/asylum category immigrants are automatically eligible for the tastiest gubbernment cheese. So you no longer have to wonder whether the US is taking in these ragheads fully on your dime. All of these people will receive housing, muh healthcare, food vouchers, a hundred other poorman benefits (free tuition, free services, etc), and of course... cash assistance.

Any of them who then wish to claim disability (SSDI) will be fast-tracked. Also whatever olds or feebs are present will easily get SSDI payout (last I heard it was about $900 per month for a single, add food stamps, subsidized housing, and healthcare).

I'm sure some of them will break out of the ghetto, but they will face some tough hurdles, such as having their benefits slashed the second they start making more than a few hundred bucks per week. Anyone who has experience with our welfare systems knows what's up. Will these people easily be able to jump into $20/hr.+ jobs and sever the welfare cord? How long will it take? How much money will be spent before that happens? Studies have shown that you're a bigot for asking.

Then comes the fambly reunification. Did you know that once you're here on a bulletproof asylum residency (shit you can even commit crimes without fear of deportation!) you can drag your elderly relatives over, who then immediately receive SSI without having paid in? I'm not sure how the economic side of that works but I'm assured it's SCIENCE approved. Other, less-old fambly can come over with their dependents and join the subsidy train too. Land of plenty! Another trillions!

 

[Maurice Caine]

very optimistic take imo
i think that in terms of american domestic politics nothing much will come of this. couple weeks, maybe months, and it will be old news, memory holed, irrelevant. swamp doesnt care, dem voters either don't care or cope with the usual "orange mans's fault!" stuff, rep voters will seethe impotently for a while and then forget about it like they always do.

and civil war? people didn't take up arms when nignogs were burning american cities last year, they didn't take up arms when they thought that a literal federal election was stolen from them, but you think they will take up arms over some retard shit going down in some backwards desert shithole on the other side of the planet? fuck no they won't.

This is too big to ignore. People are going to talk about this 50 years on...

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

very optimistic take imo
i think that in terms of american domestic politics nothing much will come of this. couple weeks, maybe months, and it will be old news, memory holed, irrelevant. swamp doesnt care, dem voters either don't care or cope with the usual "orange mans's fault!" stuff, rep voters will seethe impotently for a while and then forget about it like they always do.

That's pretty much what I believe is going to happen.

There will be SOMETHING to take everyone's mind off of this and return NPC's to "Orange Man Bad" and "Right of Mao Bad" and everyone else will be too busy worrying about that disaster to even really think about this.

and civil war? people didn't take up arms when nignogs were burning american cities last year, they didn't take up arms when they thought that a literal federal election was stolen from them, but you think they will take up arms over some retard shit going down in some backwards desert shithole on the other side of the planet? fuck no they won't.

No. I don't think it'll be Civil War.

I just think there's going to be some domestic fallout from all of this.

Probably, with how fucked the Right has become, it'll be in the form of saying stuff on Twitter.

@Jet Fuel Johnny who is saying what about impeachment?

H.Res.57 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States, for abuse of power by enabling bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Summary of H.Res.57 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Impeaching Joseph R. Biden, President of the United States, for abuse of power by enabling bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

www.congress.gov