I'll need to find it, but my mates sent me an MSNBC clip of the newscasters talking to an Afgan vet who runs an organisation/initiative to bring troops home from Afganistan, right around the time where Joe made his speech. Clearly whoever brought this vet on thought he would bat for Joe, because the newcaster said something like "I thought Biden's speech was good, he owned the mistakes and said the buck stopped at him", to which this vet replies "I hope he can own our troops deaths as well" and then launched into a long, several minute rant about how he and his organisation had sent plan after plan on how to evacuate people for months before this all popped off and how to avoid the "eleventh hour crisis", only for them to get exactly what they wanted least, an eleventh hour crisis where they look incredibly incompetent.
Just, utterly ripped into him hard, and it was clearly not what MSNBC wanted to have. No only can the news not spin it well, but they can't stop their guests from tearing into him. It's honestly amazing.
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"I hope he gets to own their deaths as well", what an opening line.