- Joined
- Feb 23, 2019
(Remake after forum's data loss)
I'm making this thread for gathering all the dispersed info there is on Line, and because I thought it would be fun to compare speculation and see which resemble more like a conspiracy theory.
The main objective is simply for discussion.
I don't want to post a massive wall text but I have to include everything that I'm aware of.
First of all, the reasons why any of this is relevant to not only the mobile game, but DSP's modus operandi and lies:
Line is simply a tool for instant communication that for some reason gained popularity amongst Champions players. Despite some of its users not wanting or even hating it (Reddit thread, archive), it's still demanded by some factions in order to join them.
This is one of the factions Rafters was in that had the requirement in optional, credits to @LyteSydeByll and @TJGamebox :
The app is not used in the US as much as in some parts of Asia or specific gaming communities, so why would our favourite gamer have this installed? He says that he has not time for friends, and he avoids any kind of socialization on stream against his audience's wishes (no MP with fans, no mic, not even TopTierBrian coop.).
The name on the Line account is TheyCallMeDSP, which is Rafters' initial one. If he were using this to contact relatives like his parents, it would be strange for him to use his Twitter handle as nickname, it just doesn't make sense for him to have this particular app.
He also has denied using it or even knowing about it. If it had a legitimate use, lying about it would be an insult to his fans:
This is the full text archive: https://archive.md/w5NP8, the source URL is at the top, I'm not making a referral to the website.
DSP's defense on stream
You can hear him pretending to not know how code verification works. His argument is that because his personal information got doxed then that means someone used it in order to register him, despite the obvious obstacle. Well some people have created a Line account, but I'll post @Piece of Peace making one on record:
I'll also post @That Anony Mouse comment on the verification process:
This means that without the device connected to the number, you cannot make an account with the exception of something mentioned later.
The only thing to add to this is the possibility of making a "dormant" one (not completed).
That is an account which is stored in the database but has not been confirmed, it sits there until it's finally verified, purged out of the system or stored indifinitely.
However you can see in Piece of Peace's video that you select your nickname after entering the code, given that the account has a name (TheyCallMeDSP), it should mean that the person went through the full process.
So what instances would make someone who is not DSP successful? It would either have to be by SIM swapping, or through some form of SMS interception.
I'm not an expert on this, but SIM swapping would just port the # to another, making DSP's unusable or clearly compromised. SMS interception seems too complicated for someone to just sign him up, they'd instead be messing with all his credentials all over the place.
This is where no one can disprove the theory, but at this point it's reaching.
Now we come to DSP's other argument, "You don't even know that I still use the same phone number". There are 4 problems with that, and a little extra appended at the end:
1) He's on record claiming that his old friends could call him since he's the "public persona with a public phone number". Timestamp at 8:49
2) Several people called him and were greeted with his old voicemail. A video on it, credits to James the Lesser Express Lane on Youtube:
3) He said that his number is the same:
https://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDSP/status/1425770541529460741
https://archive.md/g5joy
4) I already made this comment on the other thread, but I'll repost as is. It'll also give me the opportunity to clarify a discrepancy you might encounter if you try something similar, courtesy of Twitter:
Do you remember the time he made the "me_dsp2" account?
I did check his forgot password option way back, this is the post:
However I checked this today and something changed (only for "me_dsp2", not "TheyCallMeDSP"), it would no longer say that, instead it would tell me to enter a phone number in order to proceed. This suggests that DSP changed this option between the time I made that post and today.
Here is the video where you can enter it, I deliberately mistyped it the first time so that you see the warning of "Phone number incorrect. Please try again.", then I enter 2038951924 and I'm able to continue. This means that it's linked to that account:
This is the "problem" (not really).
As you've seen, DSP's option was recently changed in order to hide information, which actually made it easier for anyone to confirm that it's actually linked to his account.
However you may find out that if you enter something like 1038951924 (1 instead of 2), it'll also take you to the next stage (the final "send SMS" stage), just as if you type 2138951924 (1 instead of 0), common sense would say that access should be forbidden. So why would this happen?
Twitter lets users mistype one digit (maybe 2) when this option is turned on for the recovery process. I believe and other people as well that it's just a mechanism the platform has in order to protect users from third parties bruteforcing or guessing your phone numbers via this method. It tries to create several """correct""" answers so that no one can run a script and compile such info like this. It's not 100% confirmed, but it explains why Twitter has a slight tolerance for mistyped digits on this option.
In DSP's case, 2038951924 must be the one linked so he should still be using it.
Just to finish, I'll play devil's advocate and assume the # is in a troll's hand.
It would mean that between the creation of his me_dsp2 and Line's discovery, DSP would change the #, forget about updating his credentials, someone would manage to get it, and then register him for Line but not touch his other account.
Line's discovery: post
Announcement of me_dsp2: Twitter, archive
I'll append the extra although it's not as important as everything else here, it's DSP's police report from years ago. You can see that his # was the same while being in RENTON, WA. giving even more credibility that he kept it after moving (since 203 is the area code for Connecticut).
This is all the info I recall (post more if you have), so now it should be easier to determine which sounds more like a conspiracy theory, if DSP's version or yours.
I'm making this thread for gathering all the dispersed info there is on Line, and because I thought it would be fun to compare speculation and see which resemble more like a conspiracy theory.
The main objective is simply for discussion.
I don't want to post a massive wall text but I have to include everything that I'm aware of.
First of all, the reasons why any of this is relevant to not only the mobile game, but DSP's modus operandi and lies:
Line is simply a tool for instant communication that for some reason gained popularity amongst Champions players. Despite some of its users not wanting or even hating it (Reddit thread, archive), it's still demanded by some factions in order to join them.
This is one of the factions Rafters was in that had the requirement in optional, credits to @LyteSydeByll and @TJGamebox :
The name on the Line account is TheyCallMeDSP, which is Rafters' initial one. If he were using this to contact relatives like his parents, it would be strange for him to use his Twitter handle as nickname, it just doesn't make sense for him to have this particular app.
He also has denied using it or even knowing about it. If it had a legitimate use, lying about it would be an insult to his fans:
This is the full text archive: https://archive.md/w5NP8, the source URL is at the top, I'm not making a referral to the website.
DSP's defense on stream
- Timestamp at 24:40
I don't know anything about this stupid Line app, I don't know how it works, people are-are telling me things about it, I know nothing about it. All I know is, I have nothing to do with it at all. I've- I don't have an account on fucking Line, I never did anything with it, I don't know anything about it, so whoever did it, did it in my name if it exists, I can't confirm if it exists or doesn't exist. Sounds like someone made an account in my name to try to fucking screw me over just like Discords and everything else that's happened this year, I know nothing about it, but it sound like you're a conspiracy theorists, doesn't it?
- (Rant) credits to Blooper World Order on Youtube:
You can hear him pretending to not know how code verification works. His argument is that because his personal information got doxed then that means someone used it in order to register him, despite the obvious obstacle. Well some people have created a Line account, but I'll post @Piece of Peace making one on record:
I'll also post @That Anony Mouse comment on the verification process:
This means that without the device connected to the number, you cannot make an account with the exception of something mentioned later.
The only thing to add to this is the possibility of making a "dormant" one (not completed).
That is an account which is stored in the database but has not been confirmed, it sits there until it's finally verified, purged out of the system or stored indifinitely.
However you can see in Piece of Peace's video that you select your nickname after entering the code, given that the account has a name (TheyCallMeDSP), it should mean that the person went through the full process.
So what instances would make someone who is not DSP successful? It would either have to be by SIM swapping, or through some form of SMS interception.
I'm not an expert on this, but SIM swapping would just port the # to another, making DSP's unusable or clearly compromised. SMS interception seems too complicated for someone to just sign him up, they'd instead be messing with all his credentials all over the place.
This is where no one can disprove the theory, but at this point it's reaching.
Now we come to DSP's other argument, "You don't even know that I still use the same phone number". There are 4 problems with that, and a little extra appended at the end:
1) He's on record claiming that his old friends could call him since he's the "public persona with a public phone number". Timestamp at 8:49
2) Several people called him and were greeted with his old voicemail. A video on it, credits to James the Lesser Express Lane on Youtube:
3) He said that his number is the same:
https://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDSP/status/1425770541529460741
https://archive.md/g5joy
4) I already made this comment on the other thread, but I'll repost as is. It'll also give me the opportunity to clarify a discrepancy you might encounter if you try something similar, courtesy of Twitter:
Do you remember the time he made the "me_dsp2" account?
I did check his forgot password option way back, this is the post:
At this time I remember just entering the username, then Twitter would automatically greet me with the image you see above: "Text a code to the phone number ending in 24".So I forgot that DSP had another Twitter, which he created back in May 2020. (me_dsp2) If you check his recovery for that one, it's the same as his other major ones:
View attachment 1842654
But if you check the recovery through phone number, instead of username, you'll get this: (I believe under some IPs it's necessary to add +1 first, in which case the result is the same)
View attachment 1842652
This means that the impersonator would've needed to link the # to 2 or more Twitter accounts. That, or those "more than one" are just (TheyCallMeDSP) and (me_dsp2).
However I checked this today and something changed (only for "me_dsp2", not "TheyCallMeDSP"), it would no longer say that, instead it would tell me to enter a phone number in order to proceed. This suggests that DSP changed this option between the time I made that post and today.
Here is the video where you can enter it, I deliberately mistyped it the first time so that you see the warning of "Phone number incorrect. Please try again.", then I enter 2038951924 and I'm able to continue. This means that it's linked to that account:
This is the "problem" (not really).
As you've seen, DSP's option was recently changed in order to hide information, which actually made it easier for anyone to confirm that it's actually linked to his account.
However you may find out that if you enter something like 1038951924 (1 instead of 2), it'll also take you to the next stage (the final "send SMS" stage), just as if you type 2138951924 (1 instead of 0), common sense would say that access should be forbidden. So why would this happen?
Twitter lets users mistype one digit (maybe 2) when this option is turned on for the recovery process. I believe and other people as well that it's just a mechanism the platform has in order to protect users from third parties bruteforcing or guessing your phone numbers via this method. It tries to create several """correct""" answers so that no one can run a script and compile such info like this. It's not 100% confirmed, but it explains why Twitter has a slight tolerance for mistyped digits on this option.
In DSP's case, 2038951924 must be the one linked so he should still be using it.
Just to finish, I'll play devil's advocate and assume the # is in a troll's hand.
It would mean that between the creation of his me_dsp2 and Line's discovery, DSP would change the #, forget about updating his credentials, someone would manage to get it, and then register him for Line but not touch his other account.
Line's discovery: post
Announcement of me_dsp2: Twitter, archive
I'll append the extra although it's not as important as everything else here, it's DSP's police report from years ago. You can see that his # was the same while being in RENTON, WA. giving even more credibility that he kept it after moving (since 203 is the area code for Connecticut).
This is all the info I recall (post more if you have), so now it should be easier to determine which sounds more like a conspiracy theory, if DSP's version or yours.