Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

attractive_pneumonia said:
Further proving that the Biden administration is absolutely inept and just seemingly wants to dig itself into the hole even further:
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Do they think the Taliban is just going to lie down and take abuse like this when they have 5-7k NATO troops corralled into a pen and surrounded? It just showcases that the Americans cannot be trusted to even hold up their end of a limited ceasefire to evacuate a fucking airport and embassy staff.
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Yes launch a airstrike against the guys who are letting you off easy. LMAO this is gonna Stalingrad 2.0 isnt it :story:
 
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Niggerman said:
Yes launch a airstrike against the guys who are letting you off easy. LMAO this is gonna Stalingrad 2.0 isnt it :story:
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If the Taliban wanted they could probably massacre the US troops present and all remaining US civilians in a matter of days if not hours. Thing is, if they did they’d send a clear message to everyone that their rhetoric about playing nice is total bs and give the US an excuse to invade again.

So it’s in their interests to let the evacuations continue.
 
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Techpriest said:
The thirteen colonies really didn’t have a concrete shared culture and while they agreed politically with one another on the concepts of independence and an enlightenment government, the idea of being an “American” didn’t really exist how you’d see it now, no matter how much some people want to pretend the founding fathers were paragons of culture. Every colony was founded for different reasons by different people in different areas, and their economies and shared experiences were, well, limited and didn’t interact as much. As time went on, you started to see more distinct flavors of culture pop up on a more regional level as the country expanded. Frontier life for example, was different than that on the coast and life in the north and south could and was very different. Within these regions some areas also absorbed in other cultures, like the French and Spanish influence in the south in various areas, the immigrant influx to the north and into the west, and so onon.
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You're right in that being an American meant something different in 1788 than today, and it's partially due to the regional and political differences between the colonies. Back then you were a Virginian or Texan first, American second. The state gov/states rights were much stronger back then, kinda like the EU, with the feds power being limited, so they acted more independently. This all changed with the Civil War and Industrial Revolution.

The Founders were very forward thinking, even if the only consensus they agreed upon was "Fuck the British, we'll make our own nation. With blackjack, and hookers". Some wanted a strong central government, Federalists, some wanted a bigger emphasis on states rights, anti-federalists. Luckily the FF's got along well enough to compromise so we got things like The Bill of Rights as well as a level of devolution.

Speaking of which, it's funny how things they debated and settled are still being argued today. You see leftists in California angry that surrounding states have as many senators as them. They say the FF's couldn't foresee this. Wrong, even back then there were states like Virginia which had approx. 20% of the population. They debated exactly this with the Virginia Plan (rep. based on population) and New Jersey Plan (rep. being equal), which is how we got the Great Compromise and why there's a HoR and Senate.
 
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Shamash said:
If the Taliban wanted they could probably massacre the US troops present and all remaining US civilians in a matter of days if not hours. Thing is, if they did they’d send a clear message to everyone that their rhetoric about playing nice is total bs and give the US an excuse to invade again.

So it’s in their interests to let the evacuations continue.
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i dont understand , invade again, from where ? USA is defeated . does Pakistan or ussr stans let us ?
 
I keep seeing "equipment left behind by the US"
Is this equipment the US just left laying around, or is this equipment the US supplied to ANA, who just left it behind as they ran away
 
Sword of Autism Dance said:
i dont understand , invade again, from where ? USA is defeated . does Pakistan or ussr stans let us ?
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Probably one of the Stans I imagine. Or if not an invasion, the US military and CIA back any last holdouts of Afghan warlords or ANA commandos with all the money and guns that aren’t currently earmarked for undermining Russia or China.

That said, I don’t know how the Taliban would successfully defeat US soldiers-its six thousand or so in a fairly concentrated area, with some air support no? If it came to a battle, the taliban would suffer heavy losses even if they won, or they might lose to superior American firepower and personnel. They’d need to surround the area with at least three times as many fighters, mortars, every RPG would need to be trained on the runway to keep supplies from being dropped in.

I don’t think any such thing will happen though, just a continuing mess of an evacuation.
 
Shamash said:
If the Taliban wanted they could probably massacre the US troops present and all remaining US civilians in a matter of days if not hours. Thing is, if they did they’d send a clear message to everyone that their rhetoric about playing nice is total bs and give the US an excuse to invade again.

So it’s in their interests to let the evacuations continue.
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Kinda disagree here, while I agree killing Americans isnt in their interest, taking hostages is. The Taliban wont have leverage once the Americans leave, taking POWs can get them lot of concessions later on. Even recognition
 
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KingCoelacanth said:
I keep seeing "equipment left behind by the US"
Is this equipment the US just left laying around, or is this equipment the US supplied to ANA, who just left it behind as they ran away
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I haven't seen images of any straight-up US equipment captured so I've been interpreting it as Afghan equipment. It's not like the US was on the run with the Taliban hot on their trail and gear was getting abandoned.
 
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Niggerman said:
Kinda disagree here, while I agree killing Americans isnt in their interest, taking hostages is. The Taliban wont have leverage once the Americans leave, taking POWs can get them lot of concessions later on. Even recognition
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How many Americans are trapped in Kabul? And can’t even get to the airport? Sooner or later they are going to be found, even if the Taliban have to drag them out of their basements or safe rooms. That’s a lot of leverage right there.
 
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KingCoelacanth said:
I keep seeing "equipment left behind by the US"
Is this equipment the US just left laying around, or is this equipment the US supplied to ANA, who just left it behind as they ran away
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The stuff the air strike mentions is ANA depots and vehicles.
 
Shamash said:
Probably one of the Stans I imagine. Or if not an invasion, the US military and CIA back any last holdouts of Afghan warlords or ANA commandos with all the money and guns that aren’t currently earmarked for undermining Russia or China.

That said, I don’t know how the Taliban would successfully defeat US soldiers-its six thousand or so in a fairly concentrated area, with some air support no? If it came to a battle, the taliban would suffer heavy losses even if they won, or they might lose to superior American firepower and personnel. They’d need to surround the area with at least three times as many fighters, mortars, every RPG would need to be trained on the runway to keep supplies from being dropped in.

I don’t think any such thing will happen though, just a continuing mess of an evacuation.
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Attacking a group of troops that know there’s no way out but to fight to the death is a great way to lose, especially when they’ve got fixed positions and support on standby. Right now the Taliban are more interested in securing power.

As for the euro embassy convoys and the pissing matches, it’s not a surprise the US isn’t sending people out. Right now it’s a case of play it safe as possible when it comes to the airfield. Anything from the US is more likely to risk being attacked than really anyone else.
 
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