UK Parliament holds Joe Biden in contempt over Afghanistan

MPs and peers unite to condemn ‘dishonour’ of US president’s withdrawal and his criticism of Afghan troops left behind to face Taliban

Joe Biden's handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal was condemned as "catastrophic" and "shameful" on Wednesday as the Houses of Parliament delivered an unprecedented rebuke to a US president.
MPs and peers from across the political spectrum, including Boris Johnson, put some blame for the Taliban's takeover and the chaos that followed on Britain's closest ally.
Mr Biden was accused of "throwing us and everybody else to the fire" by pulling out US troops, and was called "dishonourable" for criticising Afghan forces for not having the will to fight.
Former defence chiefs who led British troops in the Middle East were among those to speak out, while there were warnings that the West's withdrawal would embolden Russia and China.
The interventions mark a deterioration in UK-US relations almost exactly 20 years after Britain joined America in invading Afghanistan to root out terrorism after the September 11 attacks.
But it was not just Mr Biden who faced criticism, with Mr Johnson and his ministers told they had overseen the worst disaster in British foreign policy for 65 years.
The Prime Minister was accused of not doing enough to rally allies to support Afghanistan as the US departure became apparent, including by his predecessor, Theresa May.

Wednesday's debate marked the first time Parliament has sat as normal in more than a year, as MPs and peers crammed into the chambers with Covid social distancing rules gone.
Mr Johnson began by arguing that America's decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan had forced Britain's hand, saying it was an "illusion" to think other allies wanted to step in to keep the peace.
"The West could not continue this US-led mission – a mission conceived and executed in support and defence of America – without American logistics, without US air power and without American might," the Prime Minister said in a clear swipe at Washington.
MPs from all sides of the Commons were forceful in their criticism. Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, said: "The US is, of course, an important ally, but to overlook the fighting of the Afghan troops and forces, and the fact that they have been at the forefront of that fighting in recent years, is wrong."
Sir Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat leader, said: "The American decision to withdraw was not just a mistake – it was an avoidable mistake, from President Trump's flawed deal with the Taliban to President Biden's decision to proceed, and to proceed in such a disastrous way."
Tom Tugendhat, the Tory chairman of the foreign affairs committee, who fought alongside Afghans as a British soldier, called out Mr Biden's criticism of the Afghan army.
"To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, to claim that they ran, is shameful," he said, to murmurs of approval from other MPs.

Labour MP Chris Bryant called Mr Biden's remarks about Afghan soldiers "some of the most shameful comments ever from an American president".
Khalid Mahmood, a Labour MP and former defence minister, said: "The Biden government have just come in and, without looking at what is happening on the ground, have taken a unilateral decision, throwing us and everybody else to the fire."
Other MPs who served as soldiers also rounded on Mr Biden. Iain Duncan Smith, a former Tory leader, called his comments "shameful", while Labour MP Dan Jarvis described them as "particularly distasteful and dishonouring". Tobias Ellwood, a former veterans' minister, said the US withdrawal was "absolutely the wrong call".
Leading Conservatives in the Lords also made clear their disapproval. Lord Hammond, a former foreign secretary, said: "When I listen to the US president, I cannot help reaching the conclusion that this decision was made out of a sense of political tidy-mindedness – we need to close a file; we need to draw a line; it has gone on for too long."
Lord Howard, another former Tory leader, said Mr Biden's withdrawal "is, and will be seen by history as, a catastrophic mistake which may well prove to be the defining legacy of his presidency".

The heated rhetoric has thrust the state of the "special relationship" and the Biden-Johnson partnership into the spotlight. The Telegraph understands Mr Johnson had been attempting to get Mr Biden on the phone to discuss Kabul falling from Monday morning. The pair eventually talked at close to 10pm on Tuesday.
On Wednesday, General Sir Nick Carter, the head of the Armed Forces, accused the US of "shattering" the morale of Afghan troops when they stopped air strikes.
A UK defence source insisted the UK and US military were continuing to work closely at Kabul airport in a race against time under way to evacuate people with the Taliban nearby. However, there is concern amongst some in government that the US might soon pull out of the airport, according to Whitehall sources.
Philip Reeker, America's acting ambassador, went into Downing Street for talks with Will Gelling, Mr Johnson's foreign policy adviser.
While the day of debate was playing out in Westminster after Parliament was recalled from its summer recess, the Taliban was tightening its grip on Afghanistan. Militants shot dead at least three people after protesters pulled down the group's banner and raised the Afghan national flag in its place.

The Taliban was also tightly controlling which Afghans could enter Kabul airport to escape, leading to footage of girls locked out and begging to be helped by Western forces.
Senior former UK defence figures criticised Mr Biden, with Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, saying: "The manner and timing of the Afghan collapse is the direct result of President Biden's decision to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan by the 20th anniversary of 9/11.
"At a stroke, he has undermined the patient and painstaking work of the last five, 10, 15 years to build up governance in Afghanistan, develop its economy, transform its civil society and build up its security forces. The people had a glimpse of a better life – but that has been torn away."
Lord Houghton of Richmond, a former chief of the defence staff, said: "I think the American decision to withdraw military support was a dreadful one, and the resulting chaos should be of no surprise."
Mr Johnson came in for repeated criticism for his handling of the Afghanistan withdrawl, including by Mrs May.
She said: "In July of this year, both President Biden and my Right Honourable friend the Prime Minister indicated that they did not think that the Taliban were ready or able to take over control of the country

"Was our intelligence really so poor? Was our understanding of the Afghan government so weak? Was our knowledge of the position on the ground so inadequate? Did we really believe that, or did we just feel that we had to follow the United States and hope that, on a wing and a prayer, it would be all right on the night?
"We boast about global Britain, but where is global Britain on the streets of Kabul? A successful foreign policy strategy will be judged by our deeds, not by our words."
Mr Johnson talked to Mario Draghi, the Italian prime minister, on Wednesday as he pushed world leaders for a unified position on the new Taliban regime. Foreign ministers from the G7 group of nations will hold talks on Afghanistan on Thursday.
The UK had evacuated around 1,200 people from Kabul on military flights as of Wednesday morning. Around 300 were UK nationals and 900 were Afghans and others who had helped the UK's mission in the country.

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I'm amazed by the reaction of the Americans in here, thought you lot would be all over this and using it as justification for how right you all were about Biden and the democrats all along. The fact us 'cucked' Brits are willing to come out and so openly shit all over you yanks a the moments is huge, for the first time in as long as i can remember we're basically saying the special relationship is not really worth it for us.

Even with Trump at his most bonkers and all the pressure from the MSM nothing even close to this ever happened.
It is very odd. Apparently shitting on Biden for all his fuckup is OK, until the British get in on it.

Regardless whether you think parliament is doing their usual globohomo sucking or not, that they are even talking about what a fuckup this Afghanistan disaster has been is an indictment in of itself. How can Biden call the Afghan army cowards for running away from bullets when he's run back to Delaware to avoid hard hitting questions? Stand there and take your verbal beating like a leader should.
 
Yes, it will be an dire/deadly situation for a lot of people, but for how long can a war go on, without a clear victory condition?
 
Low IQ American.

(It's not personal, just getting the jabs in)
lol, it's only fair that the sub gets an occasional rhetorical jabs in, as long as you remember which side of the bad dragon you're on.

Burgers trying to defend this joke of a pull out, is hilarious. Call us Eurofag cuck or whatever. It doesn’t change that you fucked up here with sleepy Joe.
no one's defending the pull out besides actual agitprop and bots. We just find it rich that you're shitting on us now considering the last 75 years of your history consists of almost always taking Ls. How's the Raj going for you, or the Suez Canal, or East Africa, or Malaya?
 
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lol, it's only fair that the sub gets an occasional rhetorical jabs in, as long as you remember which side of the bad dragon you're on.
List me all of the wars you won without help from the British? You can't, because you can't post a blank reply :story:

America are the World's police in the same way a kid with a plastic badge and a toy gun is a sherif.
 
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List me all of the wars you won without help from the British? You can't, because you can't post a blank reply :story:

America are the World's police in the same way a kid with a plastic badge and a toy gun is a sherif.
lol you serious? it would take me like 20 minutes to get through the whole list.

The occupation of Florida, where we cucked your great empire by hanging a bunch of British pirates on Spanish soil
Mexican American War
Civil War
Indian Wars
Spanish American War
The War in the Philippines
The numerous interventions in the Banana Republics, like at least ten
(we pretty much saved your asses in WWII but I'll ignore that to spare your ego)
Grenada, where we both cleaned up your mess and cucked Fatcha hard
Panama

I'm not even going to include the ones where you basically acted as side support, and we included you just to be polite.
 
Wow, the bongs are extra-bitchy today, even by their standards. What happened this morning over there in New Pakistan? Has BoJew threatened another lockdown? Has he raised the taxes on gin? NHS cut your depression treatments like they did with the child troonouts?

Either way, better be careful with taking it out on us like this. That's hate speech-- and it could land you in a cell with some Afghani who never pulls out.
 
Why is Afghanistan complaining that Afghanistan fell?
 
Nothing brings americans of all political stripes together more than a bit of the unhinged, bitter, anglophobia that seems to constantly plauge their minds.
It wouldn't have made a difference if parliament has come out with 'We find Joe Biden has done a terrific job' the reaction would be exactly the same.
we have very complicated emotions towards you limeys. We both dislike you, adore you, pity you, and laugh at you all at the same time, and we definitely don't dislike you as much as the French.

What we do not tolerate is wholesale shitflinging at our Republic, even if we generally agree with you that the bus is being driven by lunatics and retards right now.
 
America, do you want rid of Biden or not?

Your MSM won't do shit against him, where ours and our government, will. Think about it, the internal pressure on Biden will never be as great as the external pressure on America. If you whole nation looks like a bunch of clowns and an international laughing stock, the whole of America will rally to get rid of Biden.

Those in this thread that think there's only America in Afghanistan, and from 2001 ONLY America has carried the weight, don't be so stupid. What did happen, is the MIC ignored international advice on how to operate in Afghanistan, making it inevitable that the Taliban would take-over the country the second the west left. They did this because the MIC wanted their forever war.

Your country should see this crisis as an opportunity. Back the Brits who want Biden gone, who want the MIC off of the world stage and who want America to return to it's full power (which it had only 9 months ago!).

It's really easy to do. What's the most touchy subject in the history of America? The founding of America. If you guys back the Crown on this one, Biden will be gone by Monday. Nothing tells the American government they've fucked up more than their population saying "The Brits are right on this one". Backing the Crown over the Capitol....oooooffft level: 11
If you can do it, do it. Scraping Biden's Crypt Keeper ass out of the oval office needs to be done. Kamala is awful but unfortunately political brinkman ship brought us to this point. I wish to call Dems bluff that we won't cripple the executive branch out of spite.
 
we have very complicated emotions towards you limeys. We both dislike you, adore you, pity you, and laugh at you all at the same time, and we definitely don't dislike you as much as the French.

What we do not tolerate is wholesale shitflinging at our Republic, even if we generally agree with you that the bus is being driven by lunatics and retards right now.
It's been this way for the last 40 years, ever since the MIC took over with Reagan, don't flatter yourself.

You're all hat and no cattle.
 
It's been this way for the last 40 years, ever since the MIC took over with Reagan, don't flatter yourself.

You're all hat and no cattle.
At least we don't need a loicense to wank, and we're allowed to carry butter knives on our persons.

what exactly is Britain on the world stage except, in the words of the Rt. Hon. James Hacker, MP, a glorified US hangar base?
 
Why DON'T Presidents go to war?
Why DO they always send the poor?


War was an upperclass duty from the time of Sargon until the Somme. Really makes ya think.
Remember that time Joe Biden's son (the good one) went to war instead of accepting a shoe in Democratic gubernatorial nomination? Pepperidge farm remembers.
 
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