Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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@talk sh1t Dangerous mutations could arise in anyone, but you then need to think, who will spread those mutations more easily? It would be easier for a vaccinated person to transmit a more dangerous strain, because they are protected from symptoms, and not from the actual infection, so they feel great and go about their lives, they aren't stuck in bed. Like the chickens and Marek's disease. That's a long time horizon though, like a decade. Hopefully people wont be getting biannual boosters for the next ten years.....a guy can hope right?
If there's always a decent population of unvaxxed/people whose vaxxes are wearing off, and the third world is full of the unvaccinated, it seems like the chances will be low because we'll always have more "Indian strains" that are going to outcompete the more lethal ones.

The massive push for vaccines is mindbogglingly stupid given the actual facts about the virus and the ineffectiveness of vaccines. Hell, people keep wondering why cases are rising lately despite vaccination, it could be because you've converted a sizable portion of the population into asymptomatic superspreaders. That's beyond ironic given the entire rationale for lockdowns, mask mandates, and all of this shit is that asymptomatic spread was a danger, yet most studies prove asymptomatic spread causes only a minority of cases.

Maybe vaccinated people should be forced to wear masks everywhere since they're clearly walking biohazards.
 
So can dangerous mutations arise from vaccinated people or not, assuming for argument's sake that the vast majority of the population is vaccinated?
FFS we covered this last time you asked!

Are you a shill, trying to get different answers from many different people, so you can be another one to add to the 'kiwifarms just wants to kill everyone' rhetoric?
 
60 odd cases today so chairman of the ruling party has announced, and it breaks his heart to have to do this, a hard lockdown for the entire state. Good news is that there will be no curfew for people living in rural areas. Bad news business owners were given less than 2 hours notice that the lockdown was happening, cue cafes and restaurants having to kick out their customers in the middle of lunch service.

There was a protest yesterday.


Police claim that there were 4000 demonstrators, more like 20K. Which is impressive given the cops had cordoned off the entire city, shutdown public transport and turned away tens of thousands of people trying to attend. The ones that did get through were up for a fight. It's clear that more and more people are entering the 'nothing left to lose' phase. The cops used capsicum (pepper) foam and rubber bullets, which is unheard of in Australia.

Anyway will have to hunker down for a long lockdown and as I won't be getting vaccinated it's likely I won't be allowed to work, travel or really do anything for the indefinite future. My employer has announced a vaccine mandate so I'll be out of a job before Christmas. The government has also announced that your vaccine status will be linked to your phone which will tell businesses and venues whether you've had the jab or not when you scan the QR code. Nothing says dystopian shithole better than having to disclose your private health records as a condition for buying a coffee. Today lots of media rumblings about force vaccinating children, so it looks like I'll be home schooling (unless they make that illegal as well).

In Sydney they're approaching 1000 cases a day with 2 or 3 deaths, all of them extremely old nursing home patients or fat boomers. Not a single media talking head is mentioning that giving out $5000 fines for not wearing a mask and handing out 8 month prison sentences for organising protests seems a bit overkill for a bug that has a fatality rate the same as the seasonal flu but, you know, Australia.

I was talking to someone earlier this year, originally from England but he had settled down in Australia for a good few years. When the initial lockdown had started, he was unsure whether he ought to go back to England to ride the pandemic out, or stay in Australia. He chose to come back to the UK. He got onto talking about Australia's lockdowns, how everything got shut straight down at the first sign of cases, and just how much harsher & stricter they're being over there. As he talked me through what measures Victoria had been taking, I thought I could hear a sense of dismay in his voice. A country he'd called home for many years turning into this bleak, hellish shithole, anyone would feel the same.

So it really threw me off when the next words out of his mouth were that he wished he had stayed in Australia, "where they're actually taking things seriously". When he'd been describing the lockdown measures, the overtones of horror I'd heard in his voice weren't for how awful things are over there, but because we weren't doing enough here.

Forget the increased number of suicides, rise in mental illness, destruction of small businesses, increase in obesity, high streets looking empty af, massive government borrowing to fund furlough, lack of social contact and proper education effectively ruining a large chunk of children's formative years, increase in domestic violence, elderly dying alone, increased NHS waiting lists which were already doing terribly to begin with anyway, I mean, I could go on for a while, and I still wouldn't have described just how devastating the lockdowns and the government's handling of this pandemic has been for people.

And yet we should have done more, according to this bloke, taken a leaf from Australia's book.

Stay strong, dude. This crazy ride has to come to an end eventually. I just hope we haven't lost too much by that point.
 
Got the first shot. Everyone I know who got the shot got sick but I didn't. I'm going in for the next in three weeks as if it will have any impact on anything whatsoever. It's a fucking scam but at least it's free. Ish, I'm told the second shot has way more side effects. I don't believe that this is separable from the minds of the people involved. I'm gonna go get it and nothing will change except that power mad pieces of shit might be slightly more lenient to me. Hurray! There is a George Carlin act where he outlines the ridiculousness of rights. I think of this now.
 
A Northern Irish GP's perspective. She's pretty cut up speaking, it must be hard to work within the system at a time like this.

Is this the video?

 
I was talking to someone earlier this year, originally from England but he had settled down in Australia for a good few years. When the initial lockdown had started, he was unsure whether he ought to go back to England to ride the pandemic out, or stay in Australia. He chose to come back to the UK. He got onto talking about Australia's lockdowns, how everything got shut straight down at the first sign of cases, and just how much harsher & stricter they're being over there. As he talked me through what measures Victoria had been taking, I thought I could hear a sense of dismay in his voice. A country he'd called home for many years turning into this bleak, hellish shithole, anyone would feel the same.

So it really threw me off when the next words out of his mouth were that he wished he had stayed in Australia, "where they're actually taking things seriously". When he'd been describing the lockdown measures, the overtones of horror I'd heard in his voice weren't for how awful things are over there, but because we weren't doing enough here.

Forget the increased number of suicides, rise in mental illness, destruction of small businesses, increase in obesity, high streets looking empty af, massive government borrowing to fund furlough, lack of social contact and proper education effectively ruining a large chunk of children's formative years, increase in domestic violence, elderly dying alone, increased NHS waiting lists which were already doing terribly to begin with anyway, I mean, I could go on for a while, and I still wouldn't have described just how devastating the lockdowns and the government's handling of this pandemic has been for people.

And yet we should have done more, according to this bloke, taken a leaf from Australia's book.

Stay strong, dude. This crazy ride has to come to an end eventually. I just hope we haven't lost too much by that point.
When things kicked off back in March last year we went from "it's only a flu bro" to "ZOMG! Airborne AIDS" in about a week and it's only gotten worse since then.

On Friday the NSW premier, a very unfortunate looking woman, outright said that the current outbreak was showing only a fraction of the case mortality than the earlier outbreaks, which she put down to the vaccines (because of course). Not a single journalist asked the obvious question, why the fuck are we carrying on with ever more ludicrously strict lockdowns then?

Australia was in the lucky position of being able to outright stop all inward travel in 2020 and so we managed to (mostly) eradicate the virus. When the Delta strain, which is 10 times less lethal than the original Wuhan virus, became the predominate variant then was the time to open up. Offer the vaccine to whoever wants it and let nature take it's course. There is zero prospect now of our health system being overwhelmed. There is zero prospect of a mass death event. But we're cursed with politicians who're drunk with power and obsessed with case numbers.

I can predict with 100% certainty how the coming year will play out. By late September , if we reach the magic 80% of over 16's vaccinated, the government will start granting privileges to the jabbed. Interstate travel (not overseas), indoor dining, pubs, cinemas etc. All will be dependent on having a Covid passport. The rest of us will be expected to continue in a state of semi-lockdown. If they don't reach their 80% number they'll put even more draconian restrictions on the non-jabbed, including banning us from shopping centres and the like. We'll also be made to wear masks with the police conducting random stops to scan our QR codes. No jab? No mask? $5000 fine.

Before Christmas they'll start rolling the vaccines out to children. School attendance will be made conditional on vaccines. They'll start off with the over 12's and then move on to primary school kids in the New Year.

In the early New Year it will become obvious that the vaccines aren't working and we'll start to see a summer time outbreak, as in Europe and the US. It will be interesting to see if they try and cover this up or not, but it will be impossible to hide. They'll blame the unvaccinated and start rolling out the booster jabs, but I think by then we'll be dealing with yet another variant which has completely escaped the vaccines, and so it will be double jabbing with a new mRNA vaccine or else you will lose your passport privileges. I would normally think that most people would wake the fuck up at that point, but Australia, so maybe not.

The state of Emergency laws, which are supposed to be used for a few days at a time to deal with things like bush fires and floods, have been ongoing for 18 months and there's no prospect of them being lifted. I like in a country where the rule of law has been suspended. As long as the magic words "health order" are slapped on a politician's pronouncements then it becomes the de facto law of the land. No vote, no debate in parliament. I can't see them wanting to give that up in a hurry.

The only thing that will stop this insanity is massive civil unrest. Up to now the people have been placated with free gibs and it's noticeable that the unrest during these lockdowns is far more violent and for sure a lot of people are desperate. The government ran a massive wage subsidy program from March 2020-21 now people are being made to apply for 'disaster payments' which are being strictly rationed. Small business is fucked, many business owners squandered their life savings to keep themselves going with the prospect that things would be back to normal by now (ha!). Even the housing market is beginning to tank. Keeping this bullshit going during an economic downturn is not going to work out well for them.
 
The place I work at has us wearing masks again after only a couple of months of being able to choose whether or not you could. Despite that, we still allow people into the store without masks which completely undermines the entire point of wearing a mask to begin with. They say that by the end of September, after they reevaluate things, they'll most likely make it so that only those who are unvaccinated or haven't already gotten sick with covid will have to wear a mask at work.

Part of me hopes they'll do that, since I was already sick from it before, but I have my doubts. Plus, how would you even account for that without breaching into someone's privacy?

I just want off this fucking ride already. INB4 the ride never ends.
 
Yes. 1, when historically you injected black men with syphilis for shits and giggles to see what happens that tends to erode trust in the medical industry. 2, when you spend the last 80 years telling a group of people that their goverment hates them, is racist, and is trying to kill them they tend not to trust that same goverment when they want to inject something into their bodies.

Couple that with trying to pay people to take it and offering them free food or money and people who engage in "Street smarts" tend to be suspicious.
The distrust of government runs deep. Slight powerlevel, but I worked as a census enumerator last year, and I had to go to a few predominantly-black apartment complexes (like 95% or more black). I'd say at least 80% of the time, I couldn't get an answer at the door, even if I was pretty sure someone was there. Most of the remainder were people who didn't even live there and were watching the tenant's kids or something. Contrast that with basically every other ethnicity I ran into, where I still had the occasional problem, but most people would at least answer the door.

So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that black people are reluctant to get the shot. If they seriously try to go door-to-door sticking needles in arms, it will be further unsurprising if a different kind of shooting happens.
 
Are black people vaccine hesitant though?
I hear about it and see numbers tossed around but I have yet to hear any actual in-person negative vaccine opinion from a black person.
I'm not discussing this with people in the meatspace, so didn't here any there- but one of the Youtubers I follow, YoungRippa59 (aka Eric July) has been very consistent in voicing his negative opinions of this whole circus, including "the vaccine", for quite a long time now. Not going to put a link to any specific video, as there are many, especially recently.
Another one- RuinedLeon- laid out his reasons here and broached the subject again in this video. His main focus lies elsewhere though, so I don't think there was more on this particular subject.
They are outliers in the sense of being willing to broadcast their views and not represent a big chunk of the community- both stress their individualism. Their arguments are are pretty much the same as in this and other vaccine related threads here on Farms.
Sa Ra Garvey grabbed some people to ask their opinion on the streets of London last year too, group of young lads going "noooo" mostly- vid is very short and considering the speed of things old news now though.
Not archiving any vids, as not important really.
 
The only thing that will stop this insanity is massive civil unrest. Up to now the people have been placated with free gibs and it's noticeable that the unrest during these lockdowns is far more violent and for sure a lot of people are desperate. The government ran a massive wage subsidy program from March 2020-21 now people are being made to apply for 'disaster payments' which are being strictly rationed. Small business is fucked, many business owners squandered their life savings to keep themselves going with the prospect that things would be back to normal by now (ha!). Even the housing market is beginning to tank. Keeping this bullshit going during an economic downturn is not going to work out well for them.
And most Aussies had surrended their guns since the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. I guess the only way to see a big civil unrest is to see some Aussies cops finding then their salaries dry out because they ran out of taxpayers' money.

The distrust of government runs deep. Slight powerlevel, but I worked as a census enumerator last year, and I had to go to a few predominantly-black apartment complexes (like 95% or more black). I'd say at least 80% of the time, I couldn't get an answer at the door, even if I was pretty sure someone was there. Most of the remainder were people who didn't even live there and were watching the tenant's kids or something. Contrast that with basically every other ethnicity I ran into, where I still had the occasional problem, but most people would at least answer the door.

So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that black people are reluctant to get the shot. If they seriously try to go door-to-door sticking needles in arms, it will be further unsurprising if a different kind of shooting happens.
And let's hope then someone will film that event once it'll happen. Some guys with needles will probably find a new job once they'll see that clip of one of their colleagues getting shot.
 
And most Aussies had surrended their guns since the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. I guess the only way to see a big civil unrest is to see some Aussies cops finding then their salaries dry out because they ran out of taxpayers' money.


And let's hope then someone will film that event once it'll happen. Some guys with needles will probably find a new job once they'll see that clip of one of their colleagues getting shot.
I'm hoping lizzie steps in and says "OI, Knawck that oawff"
 
FFS we covered this last time you asked!

Are you a shill, trying to get different answers from many different people, so you can be another one to add to the 'kiwifarms just wants to kill everyone' rhetoric?
Lol no I'm just really dumb.

Also, I asked this in the COVID Conspiracy Theorists thread and got several answers along the lines of "the vaccine is effective enough that the leakage won't cause any mutations", whereas here I get the answer that any kind of leakage is dangerous (e.g. Marek's disease in chicken), which is why I asked again.

But I get your point of posting repetitive questions, I'll read through the past few months' worth of posts now before spamming up the thread again.
 
Lol no I'm just really dumb.

Also, I asked this in the COVID Conspiracy Theorists thread and got several answers along the lines of "the vaccine is effective enough that the leakage won't cause any mutations", whereas here I get the answer that any kind of leakage is dangerous (e.g. Marek's disease in chicken), which is why I asked again.

But I get your point of posting repetitive questions, I'll read through the past few months' worth of posts now before spamming up the thread again.
People in this thread are generally biased towards the vaccines being dodgy and masks/lockdowns being bad policy at best (myself included, obvs) and people in the other thread are biased towards the opposite. Any answers you get will reflect that. Maybe they're right, maybe we're right, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Personally, and I'm sure other people would agree, I actually hope they're right and the vaccines won't put selective pressure on more severe strains.
 
Also, I asked this in the COVID Conspiracy Theorists thread and got several answers along the lines of "the vaccine is effective enough that the leakage won't cause any mutations"
They are correct while not being correct. Leakage will not cause mutations, mutations simply happen. The thing that makes the leakage important is that by vaccinating a large part of the population, now the evolutionary pressures have changed. They're not lying by saying it's not the leakage that causes mutation, they're just sticking their head in the sand about the possible consequences of transmitting a disease between people who have their symptoms suppressed.
A leaky vaccine would not be an issue if you maintain a pool of hosts that normalize evolutionary pressures.
 
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