Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

Again. It does not have to be that way. All that is required is for Biden to stand up, look into the Cameras and tell the American people he fucked up. As a consequence of that fuck up, he has no choice but to initiate unrestricted military operations in Afghanistan to get our citizens out.
If you think this is going to happen you're a fool, the Taliban have been willing to just let the Americans get the fuck out without any issue. If the US military tries doing ANYTHING beyond evacuations then you can certainly expect those American civilians in Afghanistan to be taken hostage. This doesn't just jeopardize American civilians, it jeopardizes the entire NATO/ISAF collective.
 
Lol I feel bad for any soldiers still stuck at the airport by then. The Taliban have MK-19s now, and it wouldn't be that horribly hard to just set them up in the buildings around there, and suppress whatever the fuck they've got on the towers there, which would allow them to move in far too close for CAS to actually be viable.
I really hope for the American's sake they don't figure out how to load that thing or cock it. Or god willing they've been neglected to the point they don't work. I recall Mk19s beed to be torn down to a detail stirp periodically to replace high wear parts.
 
If you think this is going to happen you're a fool, the Taliban have been willing to just let the Americans get the fuck out without any issue. If the US military tries doing ANYTHING beyond evacuations then you can certainly expect those American civilians in Afghanistan to be taken hostage. This doesn't just jeopardize American civilians, it jeopardizes the entire NATO/ISAF collective.
i agree with this, out operations in that dump is over. To be remembered only so as to never repeat it.
 
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I really hope for the American's sake they don't figure out how to load that thing or cock it. Or god willing they've been neglected to the point they don't work. I recall Mk19s beed to be torn down to a detail stirp periodically to replace high wear parts.
I mean you could find videos for it online, and honestly, the best I recall the only thing kinda tricky about using a MK 19 was the ghost round, but even if you didn't know about that, I could see someone who didn't know just thinking it was a malfunction, cocking it back again, and then, of course, the next time they fired it would actually fire.

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This is of course as I recall, it's been years since I used one. Additionally, I'd be amazed if they didn't get ahold of even 120mm mortars from the ANA, and they absolutely know how to use mortars.
 
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i agree with this, out operations in that dump is over. To be remembered only so as to never repeat it.
No, I expect that once the US feels it has most of the civilians out we will immediately start bombing "to prevent turririst from using this equipment!" I remember seeing an article about B-52s bombing some place but I never saw a resolution over that, I believe the mission was scrubbed because the Pentagon realized they had the fucking sword of damocles hanging over the embassy and airport.
 
I mean you could find videos for it online, and honestly, the best I recall the only thing kinda tricky about using a MK 19 was the ghost round, but even if you didn't know about that, I could see someone who didn't know just thinking it was a malfunction, cocking it back again, and then, of course, the next time they fired it would actually fire.

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This is of course as I recall, it's been years since I used one. Additionally, I'd be amazed if they didn't get ahold of even 120mm mortars from the ANA, and they absolutely know how to use mortars.
Loading it can be tricky if you're an idiot and pull the entire belt out of the container as the belt can only go in one way. I've also seen the barrels walk out although I don't know if it's a pin or other component that locks it in place.
 
No, I expect that once the US feels it has most of the civilians out we will immediately start bombing "to prevent turririst from using this equipment!" I remember seeing an article about B-52s bombing some place but I never saw a resolution over that, I believe the mission was scrubbed because the Pentagon realized they had the fucking sword of damocles hanging over the embassy and airport.
Biggest chad move would be moving all the military equipment inside schools and press buildings.
 
No, I expect that once the US feels it has most of the civilians out we will immediately start bombing "to prevent turririst from using this equipment!" I remember seeing an article about B-52s bombing some place but I never saw a resolution over that, I believe the mission was scrubbed because the Pentagon realized they had the fucking sword of damocles hanging over the embassy and airport.
Maybe, considering we imported Taliban into the US another 9-11 type of incident is in the making. Glowie shenanigans is what got us there in the first place.
 
Maybe, considering we imported Taliban into the US another 9-11 type of incident is in the making. Glowie shenanigans is what got us there in the first place.
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Watching John Oliver's segment on this and reading the comments on the reddits.

People trying to excuse Biden and blame it all on Trump.

The Taliban taking over was inevitable. Nothing wasn't going to stop that. Everyone agrees.

Yet Trump was "wrong" for negotiating with the Taliban without the Afghan Government about the withdrawal.

Although I have read conflicting things about their involvement in these negotiations. Where I am not sure if this isn't just a semantics game.

So let's go with the view, "Trump was wrong for negotiating with the Taliban." Even though they were always going to take over as the US left.

His fault was "excluding "the Afghan Government.

Yet it appears Biden's failure was that the Afghan Government was useless, had no interest in fighting the Taliban, no interest in getting the US to withdraw because they were just interested in cash for themselves. When relied upon to facilitate a US withdrawal, they just gave up and left.

So why again was Trump wrong for negotiating with the Taliban?

Yet now we're constantly seeing talk about the administration and military negotiating with the Taliban about the withdrawal and the Govt is non-existant
 
Watching John Oliver's segment on this and reading the comments on the reddits.

People trying to excuse Biden and blame it all on Trump.

The Taliban taking over was inevitable. Nothing wasn't going to stop that. Everyone agrees.

Yet Trump was "wrong" for negotiating with the Taliban without the Afghan Government about the withdrawal.

Although I have read conflicting things about their involvement in these negotiations. Where I am not sure if this isn't just a semantics game.

So let's go with the view, "Trump was wrong for negotiating with the Taliban." Even though they were always going to take over as the US left.

His fault was "excluding "the Afghan Government.

Yet it appears Biden's failure was that the Afghan Government was useless, had no interest in fighting the Taliban, no interest in getting the US to withdraw because they were just interested in cash for themselves. When relied upon to facilitate a US withdrawal, they just gave up and left.

So why again was Trump wrong for negotiating with the Taliban?

Yet now we're constantly seeing talk about the administration and military negotiating with the Taliban about the withdrawal and the Govt is non-existant
I read somewhere that the Afghan Government wouldn't join the talks and come to the table, not that they were left out.
 
I can sort of understand the argument that negotiating directly with the Taliban undermined the Afghan government and demoralized its personnel “the US doesn’t think much of us, oh my gosh they are going to leave us to rot!” thing is, the Afghan government was neither legitimate nor did it possess any organic support.

So instead of involving it in negotiations in which it would ultimately have no real say, Trump just negotiated with the Taliban directly.

Including the Afghan government would have absolutely changed nothing, or worse ensured the talks went nowhere at all and we’d still be in Afghanistan.
 
I read somewhere that the Afghan Government wouldn't join the talks and come to the table, not that they were left out.
This is true, the Trump administration realized that the Afghan government was the weaker of the two options and one of the end goals was to force the Afghan government to the table with the Taliban to make a unity government, when this didn't materialize they just went for departure and allow the chips to fall where they may. The Taliban also realized, probably sooner than the American and Afghan government, that they were the stronger of the duo and the military option was very much on the table. During their press conferences they have repeatedly stated that they didn't expect the entire country to fall apart in such short order and that this was something of a problem for them. When even the opposition is surprised at the collapse I can't really find fault with the Intelligence agencies rosy assessments of 6 months as I think everyone involved -- Taliban included, expected stiffer resistance. My gripe is that the Biden administration didn't tell the US Citizens in Afghanistan that they needed to get out daily since May, especially when the Taliban started making significant gains around the time I started this thread. There was a very real aura of delusion on these citizens and the State Department that prevented them from taking appropriate action. The amount of staff and citizens should have been getting trimmed since late 2020 and all throughout the Trump pullout truce. Trump also has some culpability in this shitshow since he did not issue guidance explicitly telling people to get out either.

Obviously the State Department has to be something of a hype man for its puppet regime but you can still do that and be very clear in risk assessment, a terse statement saying something along the lines of "During the departure period of American military forces the State Department expects a renewed offensive by the Taliban entailing a high level of violence and American citizens are encouraged to depart the country immediately as their safety cannot be secured." Its vague enough to make it clear that shit is about to hit the fan but doesn't shit on the regime you're there to be dealing with.
 
I have a terrible feeling that thousands of American citizens are going to get left behind in this ruckus, as we spent all our energy evacuating future democratic voters "refugees" rather than our own people, and that they'll be left to God knows what fate.

I have an even more terrible feeling Snopes, Politifact, and the rest of the coterie of D.C. ruling class dicksuckers will put out article after article about how this is "misinformation" or "debunked" rumors, portraying these concerns as a right-wing fantasy the same as the old belief that a large number of POW's got left behind in Vietnam.
 
At this point i feel like Biden needs to cut his loses and send the 173'rd and our Ranger Regiment in get em a combat jump and retake Bagram and KAF. Tell the taliban fuck you we arent leaving till we get all our citizens out and if you interfere we will kill you with bullets dipped in pigs blood.
 
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