At this point i feel like Biden needs to cut his loses and send the 173'rd and our Ranger Regiment in get em a combat jump and retake Bagram and KAF. Tell the taliban fuck you we arent leaving till we get all our citizens out and if you interfere we will kill you with bullets dipped in pigs blood.
More boomer neo-con retardation. Just what do you think will happen to the random American civilian paper pushes that get nabbed up by Taliban checkpoints after this happens? The US has violated one negotiated diplomatic treaty, then immediately violates a second one months later. Why would the Taliban bother entertaining any measure of charity to these civilians? Not to mention Bagram is too far away to realistically do anything with, any American trying to get out of the city heading in that direction will immediately get interdicted. Keep in mind this is the kind of environment that the people crossing from Kabul to Bagram would be passing through, enough with the Bush era yee-haw just shoot'em nonsense. The US Military has been humiliated enough by this opposition.
More boomer neo-con retardation. Just what do you think will happen to the random American civilian paper pushes that get nabbed up by Taliban checkpoints after this happens? The US has violated one negotiated diplomatic treaty, then immediately violates a second one months later. Why would the Taliban bother entertaining any measure of charity to these civilians? Not to mention Bagram is too far away to realistically do anything with, any American trying to get out of the city heading in that direction will immediately get interdicted. Keep in mind this is the kind of environment that the people crossing from Kabul to Bagram would be passing through, enough with the Bush era yee-haw just shoot'em nonsense. The US Military has been humiliated enough by this opposition. View attachment 2474944
Ideally our citizens stuck would get escorted by our armed forces on helicopters or mraps. Reopening the airfields would provide more runways to fly people out. How the fuck is a contractor supposed to make it to Kabul from kandahar right now?
Ideally our citizens stuck would get escorted by our armed forces on helicopters or mraps. Repenting the airfields would provide more runways to fly people out. How the fuck is a contractor supposed to make it to Kabul from kandahar right now?
One of the other issues on the top of my head is that the US can’t provide any air support to the rebels in Panjshir, because of all the citizens still trapped in around Kabul... Biden has really gotten the US into a real pickle here.
This sounds like a logistic nightmare. I can just see a scenario where you've got the Taliban watching this go down while random Afghans try to hitch on with this convoy, block people, cut portions off, and eventually some wild shit happens with tons of people killed.
Ideally our citizens stuck would get escorted by our armed forces on helicopters or mraps. Reopening the airfields would provide more runways to fly people out. How the fuck is a contractor supposed to make it to Kabul from kandahar right now?
There is no way out -- explain how opening Bagram, which is some 25 miles give or take north of Kabul is going to resolve getting the citizenry out of Herat, Jalalabad and Khandahar. First and foremost the base was already looted of everything not bolted down the day we left, and likely by now, everything bolted down. Its literally a fucking trash pit with nothing in it except a paved area that once served as a runway. So congratulations, you have violated a second date for departure, escalated your presence and now have to deal with all of the attendent issues with logistics by owning Bagram in a hostile country with 5,000km of hostiles in every direction. The opposition has literally gone from rags to riches when it comes to military gear and operates with Night Vision and Thermal scopes; so that has become an issue, and since they looted everything the ANA has we now have the issue of Anti-Air platforms being a wildcard, so using Bagram as a helicopter base is largely out of the question as the Afghans have proven very capable of humiliating superpower military by shooting down helicopters in transit.
So now you have an oversized presence in Afghanistan, completely countering your attempted pullout, but you still cannot get the citizens out of Afghanistan. In part because you cannot project from the base without getting obliterated by ambushes, something that was already a problem when we were at "full strength" under Obama, and secondly the citizens cannot cross to Bagram without getting interdicted. So tell me, what exactly does the US gain from escalating?
The only path forward is abiding by the pullout date of Aug 31st and getting the civilians Air Traffic Controllers back in charge of the various airports and resume civilian flights out of the country. If anything this fucking military evac is likely causing more problems than its resolving.
The top U.S. officer in Afghanistan talks with the Taliban almost every day.
Credit...Jim Huylebroek for The New York Times
Aug. 23, 2021
WASHINGTON — On the ground in Kabul, Rear Adm. Peter G. Vasely, a former member of the Navy SEALs who is now the top U.S. military officer in Afghanistan, talks daily or near daily with his Taliban counterparts regarding security measures at the airport, Pentagon officials said on Monday.
As the Pentagon rushes to evacuate tens of thousands of people before President Biden’s Aug. 31 deadline for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, the discussions between Admiral Vasely and Taliban commanders have helped set the rules of engagement to allow Americans and some Afghan allies to reach Kabul’s airport. At the same time, the U.S. has been sending helicopters and troops beyond the airport to extract people who can’t get there on their own.
Other American officers down the military chain of command in Kabul have also engaged with Taliban commanders on specific security and threat reduction issues, the officials said — a partnership of necessity between parties that spent 20 years on opposite sides of a war.
The regular discussions between American and Taliban commanders yielded an agreement in which Taliban fighters expanded the security perimeter outside the airport, pushing back the massive crowds of Afghans and others seeking access to flights out.
Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr., the head of the military’s Central Command, first spoke to senior Taliban commanders on Aug. 15 when he was in Doha, Qatar, to help get the evacuation effort off the ground.
Al Udeid Air Base, a sprawling airfield outside Doha, has become the main receiving station for thousands of Afghans arriving on American military flights from Kabul.
My gripe is that the Biden administration didn't tell the US Citizens in Afghanistan that they needed to get out daily since May, especially when the Taliban started making significant gains around the time I started this thread. There was a very real aura of delusion on these citizens and the State Department that prevented them from taking appropriate action. The amount of staff and citizens should have been getting trimmed since late 2020 and all throughout the Trump pullout truce. Trump also has some culpability in this shitshow since he did not issue guidance explicitly telling people to get out either.
That's my gripe too. There shouldn't have been this mad of a scramble. Citizens shouldn't be holed up, ass-in-hand. They should have already had evacuation plans, or been told to get the fuck out.
I don't care that the Taliban steam rolled the country (I really question September 11 as the pull out date. jesus christ) or that Biden was trying to keep things from completely collapsing until 2022.
But I don't know if things would have gone any better with Trump except for the fact that I don't think the Taliban would have felt like they needed to test him, so there would be a little less of the US looking like a bitch and 'don't kill all our citizens please' and probably more of the Taliban stepping forward to proclaim their respect for foreign nationals including Americans. And less concern about the government importing thousands of violent, inbred goatfuckers. And if Trump would have needed to extend the pullout, he wouldn't have done it on fucking September 11.
That said, my belief is that Taliban giving the US until August 31 to get out is not an ultimatium so much as a statement of fact. I still cannot belief how controlled the Taliban have been, and my guess is the leadership knows that grip is unlikely to survive much longer past the end of the month.
I have an even more terrible feeling Snopes, Politifact, and the rest of the coterie of D.C. ruling class dicksuckers will put out article after article about how this is "misinformation" or "debunked" rumors, portraying these concerns as a right-wing fantasy the same as the old belief that a large number of POW's got left behind in Vietnam.
There was advanced planning for a mission to Laos to rescue POWs. A bunch of old SpecOps guys talk about it, training for the mission, and that Bo Gritz got it scrubbed twice by attracting national and global attention to the rescue possibility.
The narrative I have heard goes something like this:
- Post-American withdraw, there were several dozens of Americans under Vietnamese control. These prisoners were transferred to Laos, so they could claim "No prisoners remain in North Vietnam" and were held as bargaining chips for post-war reconstruction talks. (This included POWs as well Americans who 'went native'.) with NV intending to claim the prisoners had either crossed into Laos and been captured there, or that they had been held by villages and recently 'discovered'.
- Nixon gets Whitewater'd, talks never happen.
- NV waits for talks, but no one wants to hold them or talk about POWs.
- By the nineties, no still-living American POW wanted to return (or had been convinced they shouldn't want to return). There is a high probability of the surviving prisoners at this point to have basically gone native; with French colonialism, passing off halfsies wouldn't be too hard.
(There is also speculation that the POWs transferred to Laos were South Vietnamese, and the confirmation of this fact via improved satellite imagery is why the mission was never restarted; reports of American POWs might have been people spotting French-descendant phenotypes in the SRV prison system.)
There are also massive problems with the theory of surviving POWs; to summarize - no living POW has been recovered since 1979. That guy emerged and was basically outted as a collaborator shit bird who had just opted to stay in Vietnam after being officially released in 1973, seeming to wanting to make hay from the POW movement.
The infrastructure require to hold 100-200 prisoners in escape proof confinement is not something easy to hide. The fact absolutely no one has turned up since means that there is either no one left alive, or anyone alive isn't feeling compelled to leave.
There are also dubious records of Americans being sent to the USSR, but if not a voluntary action, it seems unlikely. The maximum number of potential POWs would have been around 2500, not a massive labor force worth an explosive international incident over, and Americans would have stood way out in the Soviet Labor system.
tl;dr the last recovered POW was 1979 and he was a collaborator shitbird who got tired of living in Vietnam and tried to play up 'escaping', only to be destroyed at his court martial by the testimony dozens of POWs who remembered his traitor ass. The fact he was the last one means almost certainly that there is either no one left alive, or if alive, they don't feel compelled to return.
And unless the US manages to salvage something of their current disaster in Afghanistan, oil and goods are going to be flowing between Iran and China in the very near future.
I will shock you now, but Afghanistan has the biggest lithium deposits in the world. Lithium cannot be manufactured or produced just like Helium which means that Afghanistan can look like contemporary UAE in next 20 years or so because China is in huge need for lithium. https://tekdeeps.com/the-taliban-no...he planet, which thus become critical points.
Again. It does not have to be that way. All that is required is for Biden to stand up, look into the Cameras and tell the American people he fucked up. As a consequence of that fuck up, he has no choice but to initiate unrestricted military operations in Afghanistan to get our citizens out.
Your view is based on the idea that it is the public's perception that is most important to Biden. Alternate view: it is his backers and those beneath him that he is most concerned with maintaining a strong and effective image amongst. Confessing his sins, as it were, to the US public in the hope of its forgiveness wont help him look competent and effective to his backers and administration and its this which he cares about most.
I think half and half. Trump knew exactly how the situation was and negotiated with the Taliban directly. More than this, he knew HOW to negotiate. Did you watch that interview he did with Hannity about a week back? He invited the Taliban to the White House (power move in itself). When the Taliban tried their own power-move and killed an American before the negotiations, Trump dropped the negotiations immediately. When Trump did meet with a top level Taliban representative, he began by telling that representative which village he came from and that if the Taliban screwed with America, that village would be gone.
Now we'll never know how things would have gone if Trump was in power, it may be they'd have still gone to shit and Trump has dodged a bullet (again) by handing an unwinnable situation to Biden. But frankly, Trump seems to have had a much better idea of how things really were than the Biden administration which seems to prefer seeing how they'd like things to be than how they are.
At this point i feel like Biden needs to cut his loses and send the 173'rd and our Ranger Regiment in get em a combat jump and retake Bagram and KAF. Tell the taliban fuck you we arent leaving till we get all our citizens out and if you interfere we will kill you with bullets dipped in pigs blood.
Right, because adding a little extra insult to Islam is exactly how to do good diplomacy. It's amazing how many Americans still don't realise, they lost. America lost. It just hasn't sunk into their heads.
I'm starting to think that this is a ruse by Biden, he knows exactly what he has done and is doing, and the whole plan was to load Europe up with the next wave of terrorists.
Because if all of this is a fuck up, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs on UK or European soil, those deaths will be partly the fault of Biden's cock up, and by extension, the American people who voted for him because no mean tweets.
while we all await the G7 clown world, a freshly released background of Afghanistan that led to the current players. SPOILER: Communists ruined everything good in the country forever, once again.
I'm starting to think that this is a ruse by Biden, he knows exactly what he has done and is doing, and the whole plan was to load Europe up with the next wave of terrorists.
Because if all of this is a fuck up, when the inevitable terrorist attack occurs on UK or European soil, those deaths will be partly the fault of Biden's cock up, and by extension, the American people who voted for him because no mean tweets.
while we all await the G7 clown world, a freshly released background of Afghanistan that led to the current players. SPOILER: Communists ruined everything good in the country forever, once again.
Not sure how to respond to this vid, because a bunch of facts here seem too naive or uninformed.
Soviets 100% took out Daud, there is absolutely no question about it. The palace storm was Soviet Spec Op, plan B, after they secretly tried to poison him and it didn't quiet work, so Daud holed up in the palace under heavy guard. He did not die "gun in his hand". He was grenaded with an IV in his arm, running in shock through the palace as Soviet SF gunned every living thing down. This is what happens when you try to play two superpowers to get shit. Piper will need to be paid eventually.
Amin was a glow nigger. This is why Soviets took him out.
Also interesting trivia. Dzhokar Dudayev, the future first president of rebellious Chechnya, was one of the pilots who went on bombing runs to bomb Afgan cities and town. He didn't get all islamiac religious until later in his life, and even then, had little clue about Islam.
That's my gripe too. There shouldn't have been this mad of a scramble. Citizens shouldn't be holed up, ass-in-hand. They should have already had evacuation plans, or been told to get the fuck out.
I don't care that the Taliban steam rolled the country (I really question September 11 as the pull out date. jesus christ) or that Biden was trying to keep things from completely collapsing until 2022.
But I don't know if things would have gone any better with Trump except for the fact that I don't think the Taliban would have felt like they needed to test him, so there would be a little less of the US looking like a bitch and 'don't kill all our citizens please' and probably more of the Taliban stepping forward to proclaim their respect for foreign nationals including Americans. And less concern about the government importing thousands of violent, inbred goatfuckers. And if Trump would have needed to extend the pullout, he wouldn't have done it on fucking September 11.
That said, my belief is that Taliban giving the US until August 31 to get out is not an ultimatium so much as a statement of fact. I still cannot belief how controlled the Taliban have been, and my guess is the leadership knows that grip is unlikely to survive much longer past the end of the month.
There was advanced planning for a mission to Laos to rescue POWs. A bunch of old SpecOps guys talk about it, training for the mission, and that Bo Gritz got it scrubbed twice by attracting national and global attention to the rescue possibility.
The narrative I have heard goes something like this:
- Post-American withdraw, there were several dozens of Americans under Vietnamese control. These prisoners were transferred to Laos, so they could claim "No prisoners remain in North Vietnam" and were held as bargaining chips for post-war reconstruction talks. (This included POWs as well Americans who 'went native'.) with NV intending to claim the prisoners had either crossed into Laos and been captured there, or that they had been held by villages and recently 'discovered'.
- Nixon gets Whitewater'd, talks never happen.
- NV waits for talks, but no one wants to hold them or talk about POWs.
- By the nineties, no still-living American POW wanted to return (or had been convinced they shouldn't want to return). There is a high probability of the surviving prisoners at this point to have basically gone native; with French colonialism, passing off halfsies wouldn't be too hard.
(There is also speculation that the POWs transferred to Laos were South Vietnamese, and the confirmation of this fact via improved satellite imagery is why the mission was never restarted; reports of American POWs might have been people spotting French-descendant phenotypes in the SRV prison system.)
There are also massive problems with the theory of surviving POWs; to summarize - no living POW has been recovered since 1979. That guy emerged and was basically outted as a collaborator shit bird who had just opted to stay in Vietnam after being officially released in 1973, seeming to wanting to make hay from the POW movement.
The infrastructure require to hold 100-200 prisoners in escape proof confinement is not something easy to hide. The fact absolutely no one has turned up since means that there is either no one left alive, or anyone alive isn't feeling compelled to leave.
There are also dubious records of Americans being sent to the USSR, but if not a voluntary action, it seems unlikely. The maximum number of potential POWs would have been around 2500, not a massive labor force worth an explosive international incident over, and Americans would have stood way out in the Soviet Labor system.
tl;dr the last recovered POW was 1979 and he was a collaborator shitbird who got tired of living in Vietnam and tried to play up 'escaping', only to be destroyed at his court martial by the testimony dozens of POWs who remembered his traitor ass. The fact he was the last one means almost certainly that there is either no one left alive, or if alive, they don't feel compelled to return.
Americans did fuck NV hard by agreeing to unrealisticly high reparations that had no chance passing through congress, just to sign the accords and give Nixon a political clout. I thought that POWs were simply disposed as unnecessary bagage as NV realized that money weren't coming and original plan to hold hostages for money was simply not going to PR well with the world.
As recent as few years ago, Russian .gov passed to US families some shit about their 5 pilots shot down over 'nam. There are some parts of American planes still in Russian institutes where they were sent for analysis. No doubt that KGB had a hand in POW interrogations and possibly detainment.
Not sure how to respond to this vid, because a bunch of facts here seem too naive or uninformed.
Soviets 100% took out Daud, there is absolutely no question about it. The palace storm was Soviet Spec Op, plan B, after they secretly tried to poison him and it didn't quiet work, so Daud holed up in the palace under heavy guard. He did not die "gun in his hand". He was grenaded with an IV in his arm, running in shock through the palace as Soviet SF gunned every living thing down. This is what happens when you try to play two superpowers to get shit. Piper will need to be paid eventually.
Amin was a glow nigger. This is why Soviets took him out.
Also interesting trivia. Dzhokar Dudayev, the future first president of rebellious Chechnya, was one of the pilots who went on bombing runs to bomb Afgan cities and town. He didn't get all islamiac religious until later in his life, and even then, had little clue about Islam.
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Americans did fuck NV hard by agreeing to unrealisticly high reparations that had no chance passing through congress, just to sign the accords and give Nixon a political clout. I thought that POWs were simply disposed as unnecessary bagage as NV realized that money weren't coming and original plan to hold hostages for money was simply not going to PR well with the world.
As recent as few years ago, Russian .gov passed to US families some shit about their 5 pilots shot down over 'nam. There are some parts of American planes still in Russian institutes where they were sent for analysis. No doubt that KGB had a hand in POW interrogations and possibly detainment.
yeah daoud khan wanted to rule afghanistan under his own brand of moderate secular progressivism, which eventually made the local (soviet backed) commies decide to take him out and install a real marxist government instead
but unlike daouds slow and moderate progressivism, the commies went full steam ahead on hardcore leftist social and economic reforms, which made the muslims hate them very much and resulted in open insurgency against their government, and then the ussr had to move in their occupation army to prevent their commie puppets in kabul from getting blasted by angry muslims
Has the State Department or any government body actually addressed their plans reguarding Americans trapped in places like Kandalhar or Mazar E Sharif? Has the Biden administration wrote them off as dead? I haven't heard of any media faggots mentioning it so I'm wondering if the Biden Administration asked their media commissars to keep shut about that potental issue.
