Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Nauseated Courgi]

If you think you have to be a medical professional to have a working knowledge of rights and medicolegal issues then youre a retard.

For a pandemic as serious as Covid, you most certainly need some medical knowledge beforehand be it from medical professional or the education itself.

 

[FFinfo]

So you think you know more than people who've been studying in the medical field for eight years? Got ya.

This is a midwit trap. Those who Trust the Science™ argue that medical professionals spent years of their lives studying how to do gender-affirmation vaginoplasties.
The wise man saves a decade of study by first concluding men cannot be women.
Studying how to do X is irrelevant to whether or not X is the right thing to do.

 

[Getting tard comed]

So if ADE from the vaccines is a problem, the question is now how long does the immunity actually last? Booster shot after six months would suggest not that long, but if the booster shots are mainly there to prevent mass cases of ADE, I don't know. Media reports different and contradicting things every week, anyway. Lifelong immunity, short-time immunity... The only thing they'll never report is if the vaccines really are making things worse.

That's the thing, boosters aren't helping with ADE. No goverment official in the health policy space ANYWHERE is acknowledging ADE...yet. The boosters are meant to help you resist the new strain of covid Delta(coincidently the mass use of a non sterilizing notvaccine shot is most likely why we have Delta now in the first place). The problem is, the boosters they are suggesting to get are for the original strain, not the new strain, so it literally CANNOT help at all agaisnt Delta due to how they built these gene therapy shots. So the boosters are useless..

Sorry, they are worse than useless because if ADE is a concern, which it definitely is based on the Isreal data, medical history and any honest "scientist" looking at the situation, then EVERY time you inject a "booster" you are increasing your chance for an ADE situation happening.

Also, to answer your question, IF the notvaxx shots did anything, which is seriously in question due to a cruise ship in September of 2019 getting an outbreak it looks like 80% of the population had a natural resistance to covid already, the notvaxx shots "work" for 4-6 months. When's the last time you needed a measles shot? Or polio? You don't need to update your immune system when you develop natural immunity which is what the measles and polio vaccines force your body to do when you get them. Any of these covid shots literally cannot do that because as far as I'm aware they still haven't fully sequenced the disease yet and they certainly did not when these were Warp Speeded through development.

TLDR: NotVaxx AT BEST works for 4-6 months. Boosters are useless since they are designed with the previous strain in mind. Every notvaxx shot you take increases your chance of ADE happening. ADE - Your immune system starts attacking your own body when it encounters a slightly different strain of the virus you were supposed to be immune from, but aren't because the shot you took doesn't immunize you. That thing the word "vaccine" used to mean.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Correct, however I believe that even if they wanted to do so they couldn't, at least not at this point in time. For every negative report coming out about the vaccine there seems to be at least one positively slanted report to counter it. I won't comment on the efficacy of these studies as I'm not a trained scientist, however I think its obvious at this point (to anyone with half a brain) that statistics are easily manipulated, and soft wording does its part as well. This whole vaccine campaign has caused more suspicion and distrust of science and the medical field than any Christian fundamentalist antivaxxer(in the proper sense not clown world sense) ever could. I no longer feel I can trust any statistics I read online, sure its nice to have them, but all I can really trust is what I see with my own eyes, and am told from associates I know IRL. I won't be able to trust any negative or positive narratives from the media until I start seeing them correlate with what I see on the ground, this isn't Afghanistan I can walk outside and talk to people about what's going on because this is a national, and even global news narrative not some remote story that only foreigner's and journalist's can report on.

Yep. And that's what makes this so dangerous. They have perverted science for political and corporate aims. Even if the vaccine did what it was advertised and had no side effects, it would still be utterly wrong what they're doing, since the majority of people do not need to take it. I would recommend keeping up to date on your MMR shots as well as whooping cough and other diseases you were vaccinated against as a child since if pre-2020 antivaxxers (who were mostly either dumb fundies or New Age types) were causing those diseases to re-emerge, a lot more people will foolishly (although perhaps logically) assume all vaccines are as garbage or unnecessary as the COVID-19 vaccine.

So much doom and gloom in this thread. Will the vaccine getting FDA Approved make it fine to take or will guys still refuse?

Not for me at least. The FDA approves the flu vaccine, but I don't take that because I don't need it. Forcing me to take a drug by denying me my rights is utterly abhorrent, especially when said drug is apparently good enough to protect people.

And that's assuming good faith toward the FDA and the vaccine. It's very possible that the vaccine makes you a more efficient superspreader by suppressing the symptoms of your illness without suppressing your ability to spread the illness. So for the sake of public health, I best remain a normal superspreader rather than a Pfizer-approved superspreader.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Again, very selfish of you.


Vaccination helps prevent worse case scenarios with infection as it lessen the symptoms. It's also why they recommend you still wear mask despite it to help further prevent spread.

You admit that the shot is only going to protect against the worst case scenario for me, maybe. So it's only self benefit, and I have determined for myself that is not enough to get it. Fitting you use a dog as an avatar when all you care about is obediently following your master's orders no matter how contradictory they maybe.

It's good to be selfish and I don't feel bad about it. I will always put my wellbeing above others, also the well being of my things. If I had to choose between your life and my old cellphone, I'd pick the cellphone without hesitation and still sleep like a baby every night. If I lost the data on my phone I would have something to be a bit sad about, that actually matters to me.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Prove to me this vaccine actually works. If you're so certain, you can definitely provide compelling evidence.

A study that goes over its effectiveness against the delta Variant along with a study about the alpha one.

 

[Meat Target]

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NEVER ENOUGH

Trump has literally bragged about what a great job he did with the vaccine since BEFORE BIDEN TOOK OFFICE.

He has been telling everyone since December how he did just a great job with Operation Warp Speed and how he was a hero.

I love that these people live in an alternative reality.

Also, the group still the most vaccine hesitant is still black people.

Trump never told his supporters to NOT get the vax.

Just further illustrates that the NPCs have no concept of individual agency, and require hand-holding from their programmers.

 

[Ari Gold]

Anyone else notice these faggots talking about goalposts when the "experts" have moved the goalposts from 2 weeks to 18 months? Anyone paying attention should trust the conspiratards over the science crowd. The conspiratards said this was never going away, said that we would get boosters, and said that masks would remain in place.

 

[Sanshain]

A study that goes over its effectiveness against the delta Variant along with a study about the alpha one.

Our study has several limitations. The findings are observational and should be interpreted with caution. Low sensitivity or specificity of PCR testing could result in cases and controls being misclassified, which would attenuate the estimates of vaccine effectiveness. Low sensitivity or specificity of PCR testing could also affect one variant more than another, although this might be expected to affect the alpha variant more than the delta variant, given that, with an emerging variant, more cases may be detected earlier in infection, which may result in higher viral loads and increased sensitivity and specificity. Although we controlled for race or ethnic group, region, and an index of multiple deprivation, differences in vaccine coverage among population groups that may have more or less exposure to the delta variant may have affected the secondary analysis but should not have affected the test-negative case–control design. There may also be differences among the populations that received each vaccine — for example, in younger age groups, health care workers are more likely to have received the BNT162b2 vaccine, whereas persons in clinical risk groups are more likely to have received the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine.11 Furthermore, the analysis also relied on the assumptions that any residual confounding in the test-negative case–control design would affect the two estimates of vaccine effectiveness equally or at least would not bias the adjusted odds ratio for the comparison of vaccine effectiveness for a given vaccine against the two variants; that is, the accuracy of the sequencing would not depend on the variant and the propensity among symptomatic persons to get tested would not differ according to variant.

So basically this study already has measures built into it that can bias the data whichever way the people in charge want.

Also, it says absolutely nothing about side-effects or impact on new variants. So far I don't see anything here that compels me to take an experimental gene therapy for a disease with a 99.73% survival rate across all age groups, and a 99.99%+ survival rate for my own age group.

Edit: Has anyone got a link to the Canadian briefing regarding Covid-22 and other Covid-number viruses that was leaked about six months ago? I thought I had it archived, but can't find it again. If anyone can find it again, I'd be very grateful.

 

[Vince McMahon]

A study that goes over its effectiveness against the delta Variant along with a study about the alpha one.

>We used two approaches to estimate the effect of vaccination on the delta variant. First, we used a test-negative case–control design to estimate vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease caused by the delta variant, as compared with the alpha variant, over the period that the delta variant has been circulating.

>Our study has several limitations. The findings are observational and should be interpreted with caution. Low sensitivity or specificity of PCR testing could result in cases and controls being misclassified, which would attenuate the estimates of vaccine effectiveness. Low sensitivity or specificity of PCR testing could also affect one variant more than another, although this might be expected to affect the alpha variant more than the delta variant, given that, with an emerging variant, more cases may be detected earlier in infection, which may result in higher viral loads and increased sensitivity and specificity.

Is it me or are they outright admitting that they're basing their conclusions on an approach that is, by their admission, is a limitation?

 

[Meriasek]

So you think you know more than people who've been studying in the medical field for eight years? Got ya.

Honestly? Yes. Doctors and "medical professionals" are idiots, automatons with little to no critical thinking skills due to the way they were taught, but enriched to critical mass with ego and arrogance about their importance, their skills, and their intelligence. Especially nurses. Virologists, epidemiologists and other biologists who actually studied a science and not medicine are better, but due to the nature of these fields there is too much unscientific guesswork, and the political infiltration has affected biology as the lowest tier natural science first and most.
Doctors think they're hypersmart geniuses because Dr. House and fucking Scrubs or whatever, and because med school requires you to cram a whole fucking lot. But regurgitating knowledge isn't really intelligence.
You become a doctor if you're too dumb to be a biologist, which you become if you're too dumb to be a chemist, which you get into if you have too much libido to get into physics, which is what you get into if you're not autistic enough for math.
You can boo me now, but deep down you know I'm right. Doctors are retards, although they at least do useful work. Unlike lawyers, who are just as dumb, but are actively malicious parasites to civilised society.

 

[UVB-76]

A study that goes over its effectiveness against the delta Variant along with a study about the alpha one.

With 80% effectiveness against Delta, you have no hope for herd immunity even if you could get 100% vaccination rates. Which you can't.
Come back when you have the Collector's VOTY Edition HD Remaster.

Spoiler

And I'll still refuse it just to spite you lmao

 

[Gensou Hadou]

Anyone else notice these faggots talking about goalposts when the "experts" have moved the goalposts from 2 weeks to 18 months? Anyone paying attention should trust the conspiratards over the science crowd. The conspiratards said this was never going away, said that we would get boosters, and said that masks would remain in place.

18 months and counting.

 

[Vince McMahon]

18 months and counting.

2 Venusian weeks, dummy.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Again, very selfish of you.

And?

 

[Meat Target]

The TP Wars are back:

 

[NoSpiceLife]

A study that goes over its effectiveness against the delta Variant along with a study about the alpha one.

Can you tell me if they measured the effectiveness at 6 months?

I thought vaccine = immunity, if so why do we now need boosters?

According to the CDC:
Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I thought vaccine = immunity, if so why do we now need boosters?

Because big Pharma slid another million into Faucci's bank account.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Because big Pharma slid another million into Faucci's bank account.

More like, a young and a nubile twink, honhonhonhon.

 

[borsabil]

So today we had 50 cases, 39 active in the community. The chairman of the ruling party, and it broke his heart having to tell us this, has said the lockdowns will be going on for a lot longer until we 'get on top of this deadly virus".

In NSW they had around 750 cases today with 1 death, a 30 year old woman who died suddenly at home. Obviously she didn't die of Covid but everyone is pretending she did.... or else.

Meantime in fully vaccinated Israel they're hitting 10,000 cases per day, which matches the peak of the previous Covid spike last winter.

Clearly the vaccines don't prevent transmission or replication, there can be no argument now.
Deaths are running at around 50 per day, which is half the previous peak. The Delta variant is markedly less deadly than the original Wuhan strain or alpha variant, as in way, way less deadly, so this is a worrying metric. These numbers are strongly suggestive that ADE is occurring, at least to an extent.

The UK's casedemic weirdly continues. The expected bell curve is not appearing, instead cases seem to be plateauing at a steady 30-40000 per day.

The case fatality rate has trended up slightly, from 0.1% to 0.3%, still around half Israel's.

Are we seeing the effects of the mRNA vaccines causing ADE? With the UK being more reliant on the Astra Zeneca jab?

If anyone has any doubts where this is going don't

NSW Covid update: mask-wearing and vaccine passports may be needed fo…

archived 24 Aug 2021 14:35:48 UTC

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New South Wales citizens could be wearing masks indoors for years and proof of vaccination may be required to enter high-risk venues, even when the state reaches 80% vaccination coverage, the chief health officer, Dr Kerry Chant, has warned.

In Australia the lockdowns, mandates, curfews and travel bans are only possible due to a state of emergency having been declared nation wide. State of emergency legislation was originally passed to deal with natural disasters such as severe floods, storms and bush fires. It allows government to issue orders to deal with an immediate and impending threat, usually for a few days at most. With the Covid pandemic the state of emergency has now lasted for over 18 months and it seems it will become a permanent feature.

In real terms we have suspended democratic government and oversight. Parliaments, both at the state and federal level rarely convene due to the health risks. Legislation is now passed by committee. A "national cabinet", which the Australian courts have ruled is not actually a cabinet, now declares new laws by diktat. At the state level our premiers (equivalent to US state Governors) rule like monarchs, issuing proclamations on the basis of health advice, which the public have no right to see. There is no public debate, no votes, no process. Freedom of information requests are either completely ignored or redacted so much that they're meaningless.

A year ago anyone saying that there would be Covid passports, booster shots and permanent lockdowns was dismissed as a conspiratard. So why is my government building a gigantic quarantine facility to be opened in the New Year when they're saying that fully vaccinated overseas travelers will be allowed to enter without having to do the 14 days? Who exactly are they intending to put there?