US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Gehenna]

Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

Do the mentally retarded actually count as -people- though?

 

[verissimus]

Do the mentally retarded actually count as -people- though?

Yes. Just ask Joe Biden.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

Is your dad this kewl tho?

Tech savvy? Heavens no. He's on par with my grandfather who still calls any handheld piece of tech a "clicker".

Pops was kinda like Indiana Jones in his youth, though. A school teacher that did things like surveying expeditions down uncharted Amazon River tributaries every so often.
Prior to Reagan he used to write such trips off as business expenses on his taxes because he brought back slides, pictures, and other teaching aids.

 

[Billy Beer]

This won't be forgotten. Not due to some misplaced optimism, but because the situation meets every single criterion to be exactly the kind of thing the general populace sits up and takes notice of. This kind of situation is what cratered Carter, lead to even Reagen dipping below 50% for a couple of years, and is practically textbook.

My memory is bad, so i can't remember if it was your, or another poster where we were discussing how the Afghan incident will be out of the papers within a week. I still stand-by it (if it wasn't you, my bad)

Everything you've said is correct, but ignores one important (imo) piece of information; The Internet. No President has had internet impact, or used the internet to their own advantage prior to Trump. No doubt Bush and Obama published things on the internet, or made Facebook videos, but they never used the full weight and power of SM to push their agendas (at least not as obviously as Trump and now Biden).

Almost every person in the west is connected to the internet, now from a shockingly young age. The internet, or the MSM and SM propaganda arms, use psychological manipulation to achieve greater impact with their stories. Hell, 99% of headlines with a figure in them are taken at face value, without a second-thought or question as to what those numbers mean in real life, where they came from, how they were collected etc. Think of 'click-bait' headlines. They MAKE YOU click them, because of how they are phrased and worded.

To the point. The MSM and SM can push a narrative, force the story, twist the words and lie to the normies (who are called normies because they are the average person and the majority of 'normal' people).

The 70k number will be swallowed hook, line and sinker. NPC's will use it every chance they get to make it a normalised number, then fence sitters and those undecided on what to think, will parrot what the NPC's are saying, as they don't want to look like idiots "believing in right-wing conspiracies"

Look at covid. Vaccination is now a normalised word, despite being factually incorrect, admitted to by the very people who are calling it a vaccination. It isn't a jab, or an inoculation, but vaccination. Why? Because anybody who doesn't agree with it must be anti-vax - you know, those idiots who 99% of the population agree are idiots, there's nothing wrong with vaccinations. But vaccination is used as a way to bludgeon those who refuse the jab, with the embarrassing label of anti-vaxxer. Another example, though less effective due to subject matter, is "If you don't go to celebrate Pride events, you don't like gays. What are you, a homophobe?"

Sorry for the sperg, but i have ZERO faith in the average American going against Biden, when his whole campaign is "at least i'm not Trump". However, the Trump-card (pun intended) will be well worn out and useless this time next year and by then, the MSM haven't completely solidified Biden as unquestionably great, then there will be the question of "Do NPC's still like this guy", right now, it's too early and Bidens only 'noticeable' fuck up.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

The 70k number will be swallowed hook, line and sinker.

As much as I do not want to admit it, I agree with this...they will pound this number until it can't be dislodged.

 

[Gehenna]

My memory is bad, so i can't remember if it was your, or another poster where we were discussing how the Afghan incident will be out of the papers within a week. I still stand-by it (if it wasn't you, my bad)

Everything you've said is correct, but ignores one important (imo) piece of information; The Internet. No President has had internet impact, or used the internet to their own advantage prior to Trump. No doubt Bush and Obama published things on the internet, or made Facebook videos, but they never used the full weight and power of SM to push their agendas (at least not as obviously as Trump and now Biden).

Almost every person in the west is connected to the internet, now from a shockingly young age. The internet, or the MSM and SM propaganda arms, use psychological manipulation to achieve greater impact with their stories. Hell, 99% of headlines with a figure in them are taken at face value, without a second-thought or question as to what those numbers mean in real life, where they came from, how they were collected etc. Think of 'click-bait' headlines. They MAKE YOU click them, because of how they are phrased and worded.

To the point. The MSM and SM can push a narrative, force the story, twist the words and lie to the normies (who are called normies because they are the average person and the majority of 'normal' people).

The 70k number will be swallowed hook, line and sinker. NPC's will use it every chance they get to make it a normalised number, then fence sitters and those undecided on what to think, will parrot what the NPC's are saying, as they don't want to look like idiots "believing in right-wing conspiracies"

Look at covid. Vaccination is now a normalised word, despite being factually incorrect, admitted to by the very people who are calling it a vaccination. It isn't a jab, or an inoculation, but vaccination. Why? Because anybody who doesn't agree with it must be anti-vax - you know, those idiots who 99% of the population agree are idiots, there's nothing wrong with vaccinations. But vaccination is used as a way to bludgeon those who refuse the jab, with the embarrassing label of anti-vaxxer. Another example, though less effective due to subject matter, is "If you don't go to celebrate Pride events, you don't like gays. What are you, a homophobe?"

Sorry for the sperg, but i have ZERO faith in the average American going against Biden, when his whole campaign is "at least i'm not Trump". However, the Trump-card (pun intended) will be well worn out and useless this time next year and by then, the MSM haven't completely solidified Biden as unquestionably great, then there will be the question of "Do NPC's still like this guy", right now, it's too early and Bidens only 'noticeable' fuck up.

Emphatically not me who said it'd be out of the papers.

And you seem to think the internet is not a double-edged sword. Yes, it makes it easy to twist the facts, but so to does it make them spread like wildfire. I can right now bring up a messenger client and send a message to people in 27 different countries. Word-of-mouth isn't literal, it's a phrase meaning one individual talking to another. And that info spreads faster than a thousand articles. Now to add in the fact you seem to have a heavily distorted view of the importance of news articles and, almost laughably, twitter.

The vast majority of people don't use twitter. At all. So where do you think the normies are going to be hearing NPCs often?

Now, where do you think they get their news? A smattering of places that have schizophrenics takes on that number, CNN and Fox News are the two biggest, and one of them spends half its time condemning Biden and the other half trying to salvage him. And the other just called bullshit. And that's without touching the fact -most normies ignore the news-.

Normies by and large just ignore the news entirely unless, again, the criterion is met to catch their interest. And the most trustworthy source, going by the numbers, is word-of-mouth which has already latched onto the idea that the numbers are bullshit.


And really, I can stop right there. Your entire post is founded on a broken premise. Mind, I've already pointed out in fair detail that half the country -voted for Trump-, so bringing up that people hate Trump remains nonsensical. And I know it's been pointed out to you, because I pointed it out, that not all the vote for Biden was "fuck Trump". So again, that point is nonsensical.


You're a britbong, yes? This is like saying your conservatives are going to lose because Labour hates Boris and therefore the entire country is going to vote red. It flies in the face of every bit of conceivable reality considering he's sitting on a big stonking majority right now and hardcore labour voters were never going to vote for Boris anyway.

Edit: Okay, serious question here. What do you think the effect of going "Orange Man Bad" is? Give me speculated percentages and effects? Because you've brought this up a few times now, and it's just been -weird-, so you must have some sort of skewed view or misunderstanding and I want to clear that up since this is very clearly not a case of lacking intelligence, since you seem to be rather intelligent.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Emphatically not me who said it'd be out of the papers.

And you seem to think the internet is not a double-edged sword. Yes, it makes it easy to twist the facts, but so to does it make them spread like wildfire. I can right now bring up a messenger client and send a message to people in 27 different countries. Word-of-mouth isn't literal, it's a phrase meaning one individual talking to another. And that info spreads faster than a thousand articles. Now to add in the fact you seem to have a heavily distorted view of the importance of news articles and, almost laughably, twitter.

The vast majority of people don't use twitter. At all. So where do you think the normies are going to be hearing NPCs often?

Now, where do you think they get their news? A smattering of places that have schizophrenics takes on that number, CNN and Fox News are the two biggest, and one of them spends half its time condemning Biden and the other half trying to salvage him. And the other just called bullshit. And that's without touching the fact -most normies ignore the news-.

Normies by and large just ignore the news entirely unless, again, the criterion is met to catch their interest. And the most trustworthy source, going by the numbers, is word-of-mouth which has already latched onto the idea that the numbers are bullshit.


And really, I can stop right there. Your entire post is founded on a broken premise. Mind, I've already pointed out in fair detail that half the country -voted for Trump-, so bringing up that people hate Trump remains nonsensical. And I know it's been pointed out to you, because I pointed it out, that not all the vote for Biden was "fuck Trump". So again, that point is nonsensical.


You're a britbong, yes? This is like saying your conservatives are going to lose because Labour hates Boris and therefore the entire country is going to vote red. It flies in the face of every bit of conceivable reality considering he's sitting on a big stonking majority right now and hardcore labour voters were never going to vote for Boris anyway.

That still does not change the fact that the current Admin will believe those numbers or go along with propping up the new narrative, "The Most Successful Withdrawal, EVAAAA!"

And, if that is the case, it leaves a large portion of a society whos country leadership do not have their best interest in mind nor acting on it...

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[Gehenna]

That still does not change the fact that the current Admin will believe those numbers or go along with propping up the new narrative, "The Most Successful Withdrawal, EVAAAA!"

And, if that is the case, it leaves a large portion of a society whos country leadership do not have their best interest in mind nor acting on it...

No, it doesn't change that. But it does change the effectiveness of trying. In fact, it's probably going to backfire hard.

So the strategy here is actually pretty basic. Throw up some numbers that loosely match the end goal with some loose factual basis, but probably padded, to make people think you are doing something and to imply you have done more than you did. Then scramble and try to make that a reality. This is a risky but somewhat sound maneuver, stemming the bleeding in the short term in the hope/belief/plan to solve the issue in the long.

How it backfires is if you fail to make good your word. If you say they have gotten out X number, and then it's revealed Y number is still behind enemy lines on the do date it makes X number look like a big fucking lie and it amplifies the explosion. Your prior case of bleeding is now just exsanguination.

 

[TaterFarmer]

That still does not change the fact that the current Admin will believe those numbers or go along with propping up the new narrative, "The Most Successful Withdrawal, EVAAAA!"

And, if that is the case, it leaves a large portion of a society whos country leadership do not have their best interest in mind nor acting on it...

It's going to be hard to keep that narrative propped up in the face of a newly equipped taliban and co. I don't see them sitting around doing nothing for 3 years with all their new toys. It's going to suck when China is hitting Taiwan with our abandoned equipment.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

No, it doesn't change that. But it does change the effectiveness of trying. In fact, it's probably going to backfire hard.

So the strategy here is actually pretty basic. Throw up some numbers that loosely match the end goal with some loose factual basis, but probably padded, to make people think you are doing something and to imply you have done more than you did. Then scramble and try to make that a reality. This is a risky but somewhat sound maneuver, stemming the bleeding in the short term in the hope/belief/plan to solve the issue in the long.

How it backfires is if you fail to make good your word. If you say they have gotten out X number, and then it's revealed Y number is still behind enemy lines on the do date it makes X number look like a big fucking lie and it amplifies the explosion. Your prior case of bleeding is now just exsanguination.

Is what is happening now what is considered the "pendulum swinging back", perhaps just elements of it in there or a completely different Beast?

 

[Billy Beer]

Emphatically not me who said it'd be out of the papers.

And you seem to think the internet is not a double-edged sword. Yes, it makes it easy to twist the facts, but so to does it make them spread like wildfire. I can right now bring up a messenger client and send a message to people in 27 different countries. Word-of-mouth isn't literal, it's a phrase meaning one individual talking to another. And that info spreads faster than a thousand articles. Now to add in the fact you seem to have a heavily distorted view of the importance of news articles and, almost laughably, twitter.

The vast majority of people don't use twitter. At all. So where do you think the normies are going to be hearing NPCs often?

Now, where do you think they get their news? A smattering of places that have schizophrenics takes on that number, CNN and Fox News are the two biggest, and one of them spends half its time condemning Biden and the other half trying to salvage him. And the other just called bullshit. And that's without touching the fact -most normies ignore the news-.

Normies by and large just ignore the news entirely unless, again, the criterion is met to catch their interest. And the most trustworthy source, going by the numbers, is word-of-mouth which has already latched onto the idea that the numbers are bullshit.


And really, I can stop right there. Your entire post is founded on a broken premise. Mind, I've already pointed out in fair detail that half the country -voted for Trump-, so bringing up that people hate Trump remains nonsensical. And I know it's been pointed out to you, because I pointed it out, that not all the vote for Biden was "fuck Trump". So again, that point is nonsensical.


You're a britbong, yes? This is like saying your conservatives are going to lose because Labour hates Boris and therefore the entire country is going to vote red. It flies in the face of every bit of conceivable reality considering he's sitting on a big stonking majority right now and hardcore labour voters were never going to vote for Boris anyway.

All fair points that can't be disagreed with.

I suppose it will be a wait and see situation, not so that either of us can dance around and say "i told you so", as I am happy to be wrong. I'm hoping to be wrong. After the last 4 years under Trump* and the last 15 months, I have never had less faith in humanity, which is saying something because my faith in humanity has always been pretty fucking low.

*I raise Trump as a point, not from an American Centric view point, but from a British one. America and Britain speak the same language (sort of) use the same internet, watch the same films/media (hollywood) and i've seen normal, non-political, intelligent, objective Brits turn in to TDS-spewing retards. That would be bad enough in America, but for a Brit to be sperging because of another bloke who runs a foreign country? Something isn't right. This being a one-off case could be ignored, but it's not rare. I'm not saying a majority of Brits or even a big chunk of Brits have TDS, but there are enough TDS-Brits and enough British articles in British papers with TDS, that it makes me think "Something is seriously fucky here". We've never, ever had a cult of personality around American Presidents like we did with Trump and now Biden. Even Obama, who charmed the world with his "change" slogan or whatever, didn't get the praise or airtime that either Trump or Biden have had.

I honestly believe that people are being brainwashed or programmed, for want of a better word. This is why I think this afghan failure will be seen as a positive.

The timing, in a way, couldn't be better for Biden. By September 11th, not one single American outlet will be against the President. "You hate Biden? You're making Biden and America look bad, what are you, a terrorist?" "All the fighting for freedom we did, all of the evacuating civvies because Trump messed up, and you're siding with terrorists who killed millions?!?!"

But like i say, let's see what happens.

 

[The Last Stand]

It's going to be hard to keep that narrative propped up in the face of a newly equipped taliban and co. I don't see them sitting around doing nothing for 3 years with all their new toys. It's going to suck when China is hitting Taiwan with our abandoned equipment.

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[Gehenna]

Is what is happening now what is considered the "pendulum swinging back", perhaps just elements of it in there or a completely different Beast?

Separate thing, the pendulum has to deal with the moving back and forth of social norms from a greater conservative to greater progressive back to the conservative cultural zeitgeist.

THIS has more to do with entrenched interests propping up a COrpse President and now suffering the consequences. It could loosely link into the societal pendulum but is not a direct result.

 

[TaterFarmer]

Weren't those there before

That's the US equipment that we left in country and is now in the possession of the Taliban. Yes, they were there, but for the Afghani people who, instead of using them, handed them all over to the Taliban.

 

[Gehenna]

All fair points that can't be disagreed with.

I suppose it will be a wait and see situation, not so that either of us can dance around and say "i told you so", as I am happy to be wrong. I'm hoping to be wrong. After the last 4 years under Trump* and the last 15 months, I have never had less faith in humanity, which is saying something because my faith in humanity has always been pretty fucking low.

*I raise Trump as a point, not from an American Centric view point, but from a British one. America and Britain speak the same language (sort of) use the same internet, watch the same films/media (hollywood) and i've seen normal, non-political, intelligent, objective Brits turn in to TDS-spewing retards. That would be bad enough in America, but for a Brit to be sperging because of another bloke who runs a foreign country? Something isn't right. This being a one-off case could be ignored, but it's not rare. I'm not saying a majority of Brits or even a big chunk of Brits have TDS, but there are enough TDS-Brits and enough British articles in British papers with TDS, that it makes me think "Something is seriously fucky here". We've never, ever had a cult of personality around American Presidents like we did with Trump and now Biden. Even Obama, who charmed the world with his "change" slogan or whatever, didn't get the praise or airtime that either Trump or Biden have had.

I honestly believe that people are being brainwashed or programmed, for want of a better word. This is why I think this afghan failure will be seen as a positive.

The timing, in a way, couldn't be better for Biden. By September 11th, not one single American outlet will be against the President. "You hate Biden? You're making Biden and America look bad, what are you, a terrorist?" "All the fighting for freedom we did, all of the evacuating civvies because Trump messed up, and you're siding with terrorists who killed millions?!?!"

But like i say, let's see what happens.

I will respond in two parts. First, the fascination with other countries' leaders. Basically, it's a soap opera. You didn't see it as much with Obama because he had the media locked down -tight- so it was less 'fun' to watch. You guys did make a show of Bush Jr. though. Just as we made a show of your royals and elections. It's fairly universal when you have two foreign countries which share a cultural background. The Germans and Dutch have it, basically, all of Scandinavia does it with each other, etc. It's just more fun to watch another country politics be fucking weird because it doesn't directly affect -you-. This is not a new phenomenon, it just seems that way because Obama was boring as fuck.

The second part is to your last section. So, the media wasn't saying anything bad about him even with multiple crises affecting him. Until now. This isn't a normal news cycle, oh we will go back to being nice later. This is a hard break, it is utterly new to this administration. Why do you think it will go back to normal in less than a month? What do you base this on?

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

I suppose it will be a wait and see situation, not so that either of us can dance around and say "i told you so", as I am happy to be wrong. I'm hoping to be wrong.

I can understand this sentiment, especially with the utter failures that this Admin has left in its path and nothing seems to give way with doubling-down becoming just a standard political practice.

I think that we will find out very shortly if this Beast has different teeth...

 

[Billy Beer]

How it backfires is if you fail to make good your word. If you say they have gotten out X number, and then it's revealed Y number is still behind enemy lines on the do date it makes X number look like a big fucking lie and it amplifies the explosion. Your prior case of bleeding is now just exsanguination.

I always appreciate your insight, so if it feels like I'm pulling your arguments apart, I'm not, I'm just interested in the thought pattern and experience.

If X is a number that can, even in the short-term, be pushed with some believability, wouldn't it be possible to push the factual Y number as a lie, with the same amount of believability as saying X is correct? Or, by step-changing the 70k number by boiling the frog slowly?

'X' number: America saved 70k Americans> America saved 70k People> America Saved 20k civilians and 50k Afghanis.

'Y' number: 70k American's weren't saved, only 70k people > 70k people were saved, only 20k were American civilians > America saved 70k people.

A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths

Why do you think it will go back to normal in less than a month? What do you base this on?

A few things.
Life is pretty stable and for something like this to be more than just a few bad headlines seems unlikely.
The masses are fickle and a new Marvel movie would distract them (or other 'pop' phenomena).
Apathy will set in, like it does with everything.
September the 11th will bring the flag wavers out more in support of the country than July 4th this year, due to the timing/nature of Afghanistan and how July 4th was 'over shadowed'/effected by Covid this year.
Kamala not ready to be VP
Dems can't blow their load this soon (wait for mid-terms)
People are only open to good vibes and feelings nowadays. They want head pats, warm cummies and to be told everything will be OK. Don't think, work, earn, struggle or encounter hard times, sleep, be lazy, have gibs, daddy government is here. (There's a word for this but im too stupid to remember what it is)

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

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[Gehenna]

I always appreciate your insight, so if it feels like I'm pulling your arguments apart, I'm not, I'm just interested in the thought pattern and experience.

If X is a number that can, even in the short-term, be pushed with some believability, wouldn't it be possible to push the factual Y number as a lie, with the same amount of believability as saying X is correct? Or, by step-changing the 70k number by boiling the frog slowly?

'X' number: America saved 70k Americans> America saved 70k People> America Saved 20k civilians and 50k Afghanis.

'Y' number: 70k American's weren't saved, only 70k people > 70k people were saved, only 20k were American civilians > America saved 70k people.

A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths

Challenge away, it means you are thinking about it and means I have to make sure my reasoning is iron tight.

Simply put, the answer is no. The X number is meant to never be interrogated, it's meant to be accepted or at least not something you can prove wrong. A number is pointless in a vacuum, what matters is what the number is trying to prove. The line from the Biden admin isn't "70K saved" because that number by itself does nothing. It's like sprinkles on ice cream, without the ice cream. The ice cream in this is what you want that number to do.

"70K saved, which proves we can save everyone" reinforced with "We are getting everyone out who wants out".

So the Y in the example is instead a counter number to prove that the Ice cream isn't real. ANY number of trapped people makes the ice cream rotten.

So I guess a better way to answer is "You could lie about it, but it'd still be damning yourself unless the lie is 0 people are stranded. And that lie is not possible".

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Some chuckles for the evening, Poso posted this earlier, the year has not been kind to these two

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Holy fucking shit I would not have recognized them. Maybe those health problems we knew Hillary had in 2016 have just gotten this worse.

Yeah, I'm not expecting them to go full Rambo with a bandanna on the head and a knife in the teeth and each carry USA people out one on each shoulder over and over, but that's still a lot closer to harm than most try.

If they did really go to Kabul then this might be the most hard ass thing a rep has done since Leo Ryan (PBUH) decided he'd visit Guyana, regardless of intention.