Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Ser Prize]

when i saw a friend of mine go from the nicest guy you could've known to the most bitter, spiteful person on earth with no goals or motivation. always complaining about their depression, always making jokes about cum, dicks, tits, and whatever sexual topic is popular in his group of enablers who push him deeper into this state, always bitching about the latest twitter drama and forgetting entirely about it the next day.

i always thought that person was still there deep down, and if i just stuck around as an anchor they'd eventually get out of this delusional fantasy; but when i saw that he got incredibly pissed off and angry when i didn't censor their "deadname" in a god damn screenshot, i just lost that and stepped away, cutting all ties i had to this person, this thing that replaced a good friend of mine.

ffw a year to now, and there is not a shred of the man i once knew, just a hollow husk of a person just like the countless other "npc" trans twitter accounts; retweet the latest controversy pretending that all will solve itself if you scream enough, bitch about people not using your pronouns despite looking like a deformed ogre of piercings and tattoos, retreat into your discord clique when all goes wrong just to feel some kind of reinforcement for your madness, forget your hobbies entirely in favour of some political dream where you can stay home all day jackin' it.

my fear comes from this happening to anyone else and there being no pushback against the people who enable this horseshit to appear "woke" and "tolerant".
if it could happen to him, then it can happen to anyone with enough encouragement and lies.

I'm seeing this with my sister. She moved out and she hangs out all day with a group of 'discord friends' and constantly talks about how they're all super super gay as if it's the defining point in their lives. She's talked about trannies among them and recently my sister "came out" as trans in the this long slide of increasingly deranged behaviour.

My sister is a deeply unhappy and anxious person and seeing this only reaffirms my opinion that "trans" is a fucking cult that seeks out vulnerable people. And now I have to watch my sister mutiliate herself.

 

[Ser Prize]

I never had a particularly strong opinion on trans people one way or another as they seemed to be a very tiny part of the human population and therefore rare and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

This all changed for me in the past six years or so with the rise of Tumblr and Twitter SJW culture as well as the woke blob devouring much of the entertainment that I used to enjoy ranging from comics, cartoons, tabletop RPGs, games, etc. and it seemed to use the trans movement as its main weapon to call for the cancelation or revision of various people or franchises.

I have nothing against gays, lesbians or bisexuals, but the problem with the trans movement is how it insists that everybody use special and confusing pronouns or make constant accommodations for a very tiny part of the population. Plus, I do not think that it is acceptable to encourage people who are not legally adults to go on hormones or start transitioning as there is a lot of confusion with personal identity at all levels with children and teenagers and the trans movement glosses over the fact that taking sex hormones before physical maturity can permanently fuck up many things both physically and mentally.

Also, a lot of these self-identified "trans" people seem to be "transtrenders", either hopping on the trans bandwagon for attention or to garner status from the woke crowd or are confused as to what being "trans" actually means. That is not even getting into the bigger issue that there are an awful lot of potential sex offenders that use being trans as a shield to gain access to potential victims, particularly children.

As to what is to be done about trans people, I think that "transitioning" should only be encouraged as a last resort to people who have been officially diagnosed as having "gender dysphoria" by a licensed psychiatrist. Even then, I do not think that sexual reassignment surgery should be allowed unless it is deemed absolutely necessary. This is because the realistic outcomes for such procedures are crude surgical mockeries of the real thing and in no way match the function and form of real genitalia not to mention the whole host of post-surgical complications that come with it.

Finally, biology is not fair, and there are a whole host of physical and psychological differences between men and women that cannot be simply glossed over. MTF troons should not be allowed to compete in women's sports as once an individual has gone through male puberty, they will always have an unfair advantage over natal women even if their testosterone levels have been greatly reduced as they still retain some advantages in muscle mass and physical size. The troons can call themselves whatever they want but it does not change the fact that a MTF is a castrated male with a mutilated inside-out penis and a FTM is a woman with her clitoris and labia made into a Frankenstein cocktail sausage.

Outlaw transitioning. It's bad science founded on bad studies. It does nothing but mangle someone to such a state that they could never live a normal life. Transgender should be treated as the actual mental illness it is.

You don't give an anorexic person liposuction.

 

[CrispyGonad]

The tide is not to turn for at least another decade.
Here on Kiwifarms some members start to defend troons already.
That's when you know shit is really bad.
There is one man here who transitioned and he has received so much ass-kissing. Sickening.
Trannies have even brain washed an extreme right forum.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Since I became involved in this debate about 5 years ago and went from trans ally to being critical of the whole movement, I've seen a huge change in attitudes. On Twitter alone, I'm seeing ex transactivists pushing back - especially gay men. It will take a few years to unpick the insanity, but I'm genuinely hopeful that the end is in sight.

 

[mantan]

I never was a huge TRA and had a typical normie position that would now be called truscum, but what actually truly peaktransed me is how quick this can spread and their extreme intolerance.
I had this close friend in a semi-autistic gimmick community, we ran a small off-shoot Discord server, with a meme channel, regular older zoomer jokes, all that. It's hard to describe it properly, but about a year ago the feel of his memeposting changed. There was more anime, then there were way more femboy jokes, then relatable memes I was soon to discover were from r/egg_irl. It was extremely quick, a few hints at his newfound gender identity here and there when I said something wrong, a few more explicit trans memes, a few strange new people invited to the server and in a span of a month he comes out as trans.
I didn't react to it in any bad way, just told him that it's his right to be who he wants to be, although for a brief moment, we started to disconnect. After seeing my visible discomfort in discussing the topics related to gender with him and me basically trying to tell him off by saying "I really don't care, I guess that makes me agender", something clicked in his head. He and his new TRA friends pestered me almost daily about how my unwillingness to engage with their nonsense and my lack of gendered behavior are sure signs of me repressing being trans. After me getting a bit too buttmad about this, my friend de-modded me (which he played as a joke) and modded two of his trans goons.
The rest of the story is really not that important, we've just fallen out. My ex-friend has a twitter now, with a picrew pfp, of course. Over the course of about 3 months, I lost a niche community, a close e-friend and was left wondering if I could be changed like that as well, if I were to end up with a bad group of people.
Kiwis, keep safe and don't value your e-friends too much, focus on your relatives and real life associates, especially ones not addicted to the internet.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

The tide is not to turn for at least another decade.
Here on Kiwifarms some members start to defend troons already.
That's when you know shit is really bad.
There is one man here who transitioned and he has received so much ass-kissing. Sickening.
Trannies have even brain washed an extreme right forum.

This isn't an "Extreme right forum" you fucking fed. Most of the people here were voting Democrat 10 years ago. Whatever is considered "left" today is a new type of insanity that most people don't even identify with, but they won't question out of fear. This forum is just one of the last major places online that isn't heavily censored.

 

[DatBepisTho]

Troons using it as a way to escape criminal acts as a man, which was just a little bit before my becoming terf'd when the Troons demanded women's bathroom access instead of just multiple single sex units and screeched( are still screeching) about being denied access into women's shelters.


Eta- words. Because og post was just awful in the grammar dept and I'm a sperg for that shit rn.

 

[Synthetic Smug]

Troons using it as a way to escape criminal acts as a man, which a little bit before the Troons demanding women's bathroom access instead of just multiple single sex units and screeching about being denied access into women's shelters.

I've seen this happen within the games industry as mediocre devs go transtrender to make themselves more employable with the push for more women in professional roles. It's as unprincipled as it is autistic.

I lost sympathy when language policing was used to silence genuine concern for my fellow man. Now I just want to limit the damage these future suicides do to others that have some hope for productive lives.

 

[CrispyGonad]

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

Going to be honest of all the stories in this thread, this one gave me the most whiplash of all of them. James needs a hug. One where the one giving it has full and wonderful tits that aren't just growing in adulthood on a man.

Keep in mind, that's not even the *worst* part of it. James had to treat their (actual girl) girlfriend(because "omg I'm in such a wholesome lesbian relationship I couldn't have while I was a guy omg it's just like my Yuri novels!) because the stupid stuck up cunt with more money for literal breast implants than brain cells to spare for themselves managed to ricochet a 5.56 round from their Arsenal AK and ended up shooting themselves in the leg and injuring others.

So, in this situation, reasonable, sane, and well reasoned and moral people would go, "Oh no, a range accident, better treat it and take this person to the hospital." This did not happen. James tries to create a makeshift tourniquet using a belt and seeing the bleeding wound is afraid of the round shifting and causing their bleeding to get worse.

The tranny yells at him and literally stops him, while the wound is actively bleeding and James is berated for being visibly scared but trying to help.

They go to the hospital, but only after their friend(basically a dumb veteran enabler) trying to pull the round out with a multitool you can find off the shelf of a Walmart. This, to no one's surprise, makes the bleeding SO MUCH worse, to where James is literally angrily holding pressure on the bleed and freaking out.

Did I mention they tried to pin the incident on "some niggers shooting near us"? And then, when the nurse was about to call PD, James stepped up and had to explain the whole situation to the nurse away from them?

Once everything was said and done, they thought the best way to treat James being an emotional wreck was by peer pressuring him into taking VA issued Xanax pill which only stoned him and made him guilt ridden.

James has severe trust issues and is too scared to trust others because of this, being a literal orphan, and his severe abandonment issues.

Anyway, did I mention the time they tried to peer pressure him into deep throating their coca cola filled dildo a couple weeks later?

/k/

A magical place.

Yes.

Come in for guns, and leave either groomed or with severe PTSD.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Keep in mind, that's not even the *worst* part of it. James had to treat their (actual girl) girlfriend(because "omg I'm in such a wholesome lesbian relationship I couldn't have while I was a guy omg it's just like my Yuri novels!) because the stupid stuck up cunt with more money for literal breast implants than brain cells to spare for themselves managed to ricochet a 5.56 round from their Arsenal AK and ended up shooting themselves in the leg and injuring others.

So, in this situation, reasonable, sane, and well reasoned and moral people would go, "Oh no, a range accident, better treat it and take this person to the hospital." This did not happen. James tries to create a makeshift tourniquet using a belt and seeing the bleeding wound is afraid of the round shifting and causing their bleeding to get worse.

The tranny yells at him and literally stops him, while the wound is actively bleeding and James is berated for being visibly scared but trying to help.

They go to the hospital, but only after their friend(basically a dumb veteran enabler) trying to pull the round out with a multitool you can find off the shelf of a Walmart. This, to no one's surprise, makes the bleeding SO MUCH worse, to where James is literally angrily holding pressure on the bleed and freaking out.

Did I mention they tried to pin the incident on "some niggers shooting near us"? And then, when the nurse was about to call PD, James stepped up and had to explain the whole situation to the nurse away from them?

Once everything was said and done, they thought the best way to treat James being an emotional wreck was by peer pressuring him into taking VA issued Xanax pill which only stoned him and made him guilt ridden.

James has severe trust issues and is too scared to trust others because of this, being a literal orphan, and his severe abandonment issues.

Anyway, did I mention the time they tried to peer pressure him into deep throating their coca cola filled dildo a couple weeks later?



Yes.

Come in for guns, and leave either groomed or with severe PTSD.

I wish I had a horrifying rating. James needs a VA support group to be honest with you, something where he can talk. Running into a gunshot in the wild when you're a vet with PTSD is not good.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I wish I had a horrifying rating. James needs a VA support group to be honest with you, something where he can talk. Running into a gunshot in the wild when you're a vet with PTSD is not good.

James isn't a vet. He's just some guy who likes guns and helps people when he can.

Very nice dude.

 

[Vect]

For me it was when President Trump initiated the ban of transgenders in the military. I remember thinking it must be sheer bigotry, likely endorsed by his psychotic evangelical base, but then I thought about it and it didn't sit right. Trump grew up in New York and though he pretends otherwise, he's a strictly materialistic man and despises religious tightarserry. And it was a ban on the transgendered specifically, not the gays. Then I saw a comment on a news video that said that trans people were mentally disabled and after the initial reaction of whoa, how ignorant, I did my own research.

Then I find out 41% of transitioning individuals commit suicide. That is an "on the beach at Omaha getting enfiladed on" casualty rate. Why is this not the critical factor? Nearly half of trans people who go through the procedure kill themselves. That is not anywhere close to an acceptable margin of success. And when they're misdiagnosed, when they're encouraged to do this when they're young and stupid, when they realised they made a mistake years down the line that they can never correct, it's no fucking surprise. That fucking Yaniv guy is obssessed with sex and can never have it, no wonder he's fucking psychotic.

It's true we OG faggots have much to answer for when it comes to cognitive dissonance. We are an ageist, shallow, fad obsessed 'culture' that worships sex, drugs and fetishes that would make Chris-Chan look fucking normal and yet we demand the dignity of marriage and equal rights. It's ridiculous that a subculture defined by promiscuity and sleaziness could have any purchase on the concept of loyal monogamy.

But to me, we were always addressing a genuine, specific axiom - a person of the same sex being attracted to the same sex or both. We didn't introduce this insane mass identity crisis that the Trans Industrial Complex has inflicted on the first world. If you were gay or bi, you were something quite specific, not this delusional fantasy free-for-all where men can insist they're women just because. It seems like this whole gender diversity thing has done the opposite of encouraging inclusion and just forced everyone to gatekeep and label themselves as ANYTHING other than a cis, straight, white person. I don't know about lesbians but gay men I know have nothing but contempt for the transgender and their performances and the bulwark against them is slowly gaining traction.

That said, I thing there are some false positives. Pedophiles, freaks, perverts, they'll make their way into the trans community because it gives their deviancy protection, as does the Catholic Church or being a star on the BBC, They'll be found in time, and they need to stop being defended lest the entire movement goes down in flames,

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

For me it was when President Trump initiated the ban of transgenders in the military. ... Then I find out 41% of transitioning individuals commit suicide. That is an "on the beach at Omaha getting enfiladed on" casualty rate. Why is this not the critical factor? Nearly half of trans people who go through the procedure kill themselves. That is not anywhere close to an acceptable margin of success.

This is a good one. Actively transitioning people are not good soldiers. People cried "transphobia" and got angry with Trump, when the reality is that absolutely no one in the military can afford to deal with, or can pay for, trans people.

What if their hormones can't be delivered due to a supply chain disruption? What if their depression and anxiety causes them to get killed in battle? Transitioning itself requires months of surgical recovery. Are they supposed to get special treatment where they have a year of leave every other year for their surgeries? And dilation for 2 hours a day for a year on the battlefield will never happen.

What if the military sinks tens of thousands of dollars into their treatments through Tricare, and then they kill themselves? It's literally this meme:

EDIT: Biden unbanned troons from the military instead of getting US equipment out of Afghanistan, by the way.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

Fuck it. Another James story.

James decided he wanted to play Rising Storm Vietnam. His tranny roommate and their fiancé at the time thought it would be funny to challenge James to a competition to see who could deep throat their(used) bad dragon dildo the deepest. James told them that he didn't know where that thing had been and sure as shit didn't want to give it a taste to find out.(They apparently did soft core porn using it as he later found out.) They "clean" it using HIS kitchen sponge and then ask him to throat fuck it. There's a video somewhere floating around on snapchat of this, but right before it starts they go, "Come on James, here I'll go first so you're more comfortable with the idea. You're bi, you should be into this!" They fill the dildo up with his coca cola in an attempt to make him feel better about throat fucking a used dildo.

Their actual girl girlfriend(God I fucking hate saying that) decides to record them on snapchat deep throat fucking their two foot long bad dragon and you can hear James in the background audibly going, "Jesus christ you fucking God damn degenerates." James remembers being extra angry and getting a good KD in RS:V just off how angry he was.

I didn't really know what to say outside telling James that I was there for him if he needed to shoot the breeze or anything. To help him distract himself, I bought him Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes and he thoroughly enjoyed the book.

 

[PissPool]

I’ve always been pretty liberal, and back as a teenager I used Tumblr so I obviously supported trans rights. To me they were poor souls born in the wrong body, and clearly acted just like cis men and women would. I had never met one so this was all theoretical. I never got on board with non-binary though because it seemed stupid and sexist to declare yourself not a girl because you didn’t like makeup or whatever.
Fast forward a few years and I actually met some troons for real. I was shocked how much they were weird disgusting men and not poor female souls in a male body. I started having a lot of doubts and finding Kiwi Farms was the last straw. I still support gay rights and all that but I now see that trans shit is all a bunch of coping for mentally ill people and should be discouraged.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

I wish I had a horrifying rating. James needs a VA support group to be honest with you, something where he can talk. Running into a gunshot in the wild when you're a vet with PTSD is not good.

I just realized what I wrote.

His tranny roommate and their friends peer pressured him into taking the tranny's VA issued Xanax. James was a paranoid motherfucker and his biggest fear was having literal HRT pills snuck into his food and made it a very clear point to tell them, "That if you put that shit in my food, I'm going to turn this fucking apartment into a murder suicide."

Far as I know, they stopped making jokes about spiking his food with HRT after that.

I apologize if all this sounds so insane to the point of being made up fantasyland shit.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

I just realized what I wrote.

His tranny roommate and their friends peer pressured him into taking the tranny's VA issued Xanax. James was a paranoid motherfucker and his biggest fear was having literal HRT pills snuck into his food and made it a very clear point to tell them, "That if you put that shit in my food, I'm going to turn this fucking apartment into a murder suicide."

Far as I know, they stopped making jokes about spiking his food with HRT after that.

I apologize if all this sounds so insane to the point of being made up fantasyland shit.

Was your friend so desperate for housing at that time that he stuck to living with loonies?

 

[Death Grip]

An actual troon threatened suicide at me yesterday, in the context of my job. On the phone literally the second thing they said to me (after announcing their female name with their male voice) was I am going to commit suicide.
Sadly as it was work related I was prevented from saying 'don't let me stop you'.

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

Was your friend so desperate for housing at that time that he stuck to living with loonies?

Pretty much. He wound up with like 4k in debt when he moved and ended up basically having to live with them.

It was a shitty situation all around.

 

[supremeautismo]

An update: If anyone cares, in my situation the friend has come out to the wife and everyone. She (going by these pronouns since I do want to be supportive) told her wife and she took it well enough. They’re not planning on having kids any time soon (she’s too old anyway) so it’s a non-issue. I don’t think my friend is trying to sleep around since I’ve seen no solid evidence of it. She doesn’t want bottom surgery (thank God) and isn’t being super militant about anything (yet.)

It still feels random and possibly disasterous (she says the hormones make her feel “euphoric” but I’ve heard that regardless of gender identity disorder that can happen when taking estrogen, so I’m not sure), but I’m not going to get in the way or make it my problem. If she’s happy and not lying or being weird then more power to her.