Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[McSchlomo]

Peak? I'd say at the moment. Or rather, after binging nulls streams and having to agree with all his rather... hard opinions on trans people. "Fuck being tolerant, he is simply right". That was pretty much it. If anyone would ever ask me when my negative opinions of trans people solidified I'd say 2021. This forum definitly did its part. And I'm grateful for having a rather secure opinion on the matter and not having to be a fence sitter.

My disdain started way earlier though. I loved watching channels that talked about (and reading about) gaming drama. You know, Devs freaking out etc. Channels like SidAlpha might ring a bell.

And SO SO MANY of them were trans. Or on their way to trans. Or at the very least not "gender conforming". Basically every trans person you observe on the internet is a fucking nutjob, and I got an early peek into that due to gaming culture. So the ground work for my opinions was laid in that time.

I will add: I've never met a trans person in my life. And if I meet one, and he/she behaves as normal as possible, I'll behave normal as well. No reason to be a dick to someone who is, most likely, just trying to get through life.

But I will always have in the back of my head that this person is mentally ill and be accordingly careful.

 

[RSLUG30]

when i saw a friend of mine go from the nicest guy you could've known to the most bitter, spiteful person on earth with no goals or motivation. always complaining about their depression, always making jokes about cum, dicks, tits, and whatever sexual topic is popular in his group of enablers who push him deeper into this state, always bitching about the latest twitter drama and forgetting entirely about it the next day.

i always thought that person was still there deep down, and if i just stuck around as an anchor they'd eventually get out of this delusional fantasy; but when i saw that he got incredibly pissed off and angry when i didn't censor their "deadname" in a god damn screenshot, i just lost that and stepped away, cutting all ties i had to this person, this thing that replaced a good friend of mine.

ffw a year to now, and there is not a shred of the man i once knew, just a hollow husk of a person just like the countless other "npc" trans twitter accounts; retweet the latest controversy pretending that all will solve itself if you scream enough, bitch about people not using your pronouns despite looking like a deformed ogre of piercings and tattoos, retreat into your discord clique when all goes wrong just to feel some kind of reinforcement for your madness, forget your hobbies entirely in favour of some political dream where you can stay home all day jackin' it.

my fear comes from this happening to anyone else and there being no pushback against the people who enable this horseshit to appear "woke" and "tolerant".
if it could happen to him, then it can happen to anyone with enough encouragement and lies.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

I read this, and all at once the illusion was plain like suddenly seeing the pane of glass between me and what I was looking at:

 

[Dieter Laser]

It was the Desmond videos.
Like the entire situation was just so absurd and everyone around me was totally not grasping why I was so offended.
Everyone online kept screaming about transphobia when it was more about, idk, maybe the kid hanging out with a convicted murderer, or the fact that he was pretty much conceived as a way for his mom to gain fame. The trans stuff was concerning but it was far from the most urgent concern. But watching the mental gymnastics as they tried to turn a case of child abuse into a trans rights issue… that did it for me.
100% team woodchipper since then.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Many women seem to think that doing normal things or having hobbies makes them masculine these days. Part of it seems to come from the hardcore troon push to bring back hard gender roles. "You're not a tomboy, you're a trans man!" and other insane conclusions troons come to. Autists think womanhood is literally defined by pink sparkles, flowers and high heels, and can't conceive of womanhood as having a womb. Transwomen actively campaign against womanhood being associated with motherhood as well, and we know most troons have literal autism.

Sex abuse victims are especially tragic, there are several de-trans women (ftmtf) who said they only transitioned to get away from the feeling that they were seen as fresh meat by men. I've seen several radfems claim that many women are transitioning to male to simply escape sexism and being sexualized by men. If you're a young woman who's been abused and you don't have anyone to protect you, I can see why this would make sense in a way.

I won't forgive them for trying to make straight/bi/gay tomboys into men. My mother, her friends, and their mothers before her suffered enough from society trying to push them into gender roles, my generation of women and the next do not deserve sexism disguised as progress to scar us as well. And I won't forgive them for tempting so many young effeminate men into it either: men being allowed feminine hobbies has always been an uphill battle and fetishist grooming young men into trans women is opportunisticly preying on the vunerable. Fuck you guys.

And yes, very much. I think anxiety also plays a role for the nonsexually assaulted ones. When you swim in SJW circles, rape culture and 1/5 women are sexually assaulted statistics are thrown around everywhere (the later was a faulty survey that didn't separate things lile rape from something like verbal harassment), anxiety lizard brain forces you into fight or flight mode if you don't have any close male friends or relatives in your life. Mental illness isn't rational, it is just a bitch.

My disdain started way earlier though. I loved watching channels that talked about (and reading about) gaming drama. You know, Devs freaking out etc. Channels like SidAlpha might ring a bell.

And SO SO MANY of them were trans. Or on their way to trans. Or at the very least not "gender conforming". Basically every trans person you observe on the internet is a fucking nutjob, and I got an early peek into that due to gaming culture. So the ground work for my opinions was laid in that time.

Hpbbyist game development is a minefield right now due to troons. The more low effort your engine is (renpy, bitsy), the more likely you'll have a large minoritt of troons in the community. Paradoxically, the harder to develop emulator & homebrew scenes have a fair number of troons instead (autism causes a man to want to make ZX Spectrum style games in the modern day). It's harder to find a balance.

It sure is something when 9 times out of 10 you find a small developer circle with a troon in it. I feel lucky in most trans developers I know are either light trans (they/them) or actually focused on their game instead of transness and lesbians and transness, thus being more normal nerds to talk to. I've met the disastrous kind enough times though, don't let anyone say otherwise.

I read this, and all at once the illusion was plain like suddenly seeing the pane of glass between me and what I was looking at:
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Jazz was in my Psychology 101 textbook (2018/2019 edition I believe) as a one off aside on transgender people (ie this is an example of one). I wonder if they kept updating Jazz's picture for the textbook or kept lazily clicking on google search's first result.

Anyway, seeing Jazz in my textbook then reading about their poor fucking life, surgeries, and horrendous harpy mother was another moment in trans peaking. Child surgeries, puberty blockers, and hormones weren't worth it.

 

[Letora]

I was only a very minor TRA when I was in high school, before I was old enough to vote, many moons ago. I had no idea of anything other than the trans bathroom debate, and the propaganda around it. I remember my mother being disgusted by the idea, and I was like "tHeY jUsT wAnT tO uSe ThE bAtHrOoM." If she was still around I would have told her she was right, and I was young and retarded. I've grown into her, basically.

What ended up happening after high school is every. single. example. of a trans person I saw was a fucking weirdo. Not once did I see a normal, pleasant, respectable trannie.

I am very sensitive to people and social interaction. I am easily disgusted, and easily disappointed. Trannies always fucking disgusted me. They don't belong, they behave unpleasantly, and most have visible and obvious mental illness. I don't want them around me, and I don't support them. I never have since I saw what they were.

I saw one tranny, an obvious dude in rainbow knee socks and retarded pigtails in a store with his mom (lol), and was genuinely scared of the abomination, because I know what kind of psycho incels do that kind of stuff. Another time during my college years, a weird, annoying, ultra-progressive ugly girl that I was acquaintances with in high school decided she was a man, changed her name to a man's on Facebook and cut her hair, etc. I laughed. She was way too old to still be eating that trans bullshit. Later on I checked her Facebook and she was back to being a woman. Dumbass. I actually would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that conversation with her equally annoying family.

All it took for me to "peak" is actually seeing what I was being asked to support.

Everything on top of that has been the icing on the shit cake. I've only gotten stronger in my views. I didn't like trannies before they started destroying sex-protected spaces and literally claiming to be the sex they want to be, before it was "offensive" to call transgenderism a mental illness (which is obviously is), before children were being mutilated permanently. I feel like every TRA today is taking crazy pills, especially the adults. What the hell is wrong with people, and what happened to basic logic?

 

[ShortPoppy]

If I'm not there now I think I'm well on my way to peak trans because of the minor things creeping into my workplace. I work in a large-ish organisation with a lot of highly trained scientists and engineering personnel, so not really the kind of place I'd expect to be confronted with gender spergery. But the company headquarters are in the self-proclaimed culture capital of this country, which probably explains a lot of it.
It seemed to come to the fore during last year's lockdowns when most of us were stuck at home and leaned more into enterprise networking/messaging apps. There was already a group for our company's LGBTQIA+ alliance; now there were more frequent posts about gay weddings, pansexual vs. bisexual, and eventually one of our staff coming out as non-binary on International Pronouns Day, to a chorus of handclapping and heart emojis. (I don't know him personally, from his profile pic he just looks like a regular, if dangerhaired dude with a beard.)

At the time this pissed me off more than a little bit - for being egotistical and trivial at best, and outright sexism at worst. And also because one of the LGBTQetc. group members encouraged everyone to buy into their bullshit and add our pronouns to our user profiles and email signatures. To my naive bewilderment quite a few people agreed that this was a good idea, and I sometimes see emails, even from senior technical staff, with "she/her" or "he/they" tucked discreetly under the contact info at the bottom. It's mostly "she/her"s, though I'm pretty sure none of those she/hers are transgender women.

So I guess this is how things are becoming. Everyone has to embrace the gender anxieties and dogmas of trans people, so that trans people can feel normal and safe. I confess, I am a liberalfag compared to most people here, and I do want actual trans people - people with genuine, diagnosed, long-term, disruptive gender dysphoria - to feel as normal and safe as they can. Present yourself as a man or woman, call yourself whatever, it's no skin off my nose. But there's something nefarious about making everyone potentially trans by asking them to mask themselves with pronouns. It's the pronoun fetishism which really gets to me. Condensing all the complexities of gender, identity and personhood into these neat little labels you can stick at the top of your Twitter bio or pin onto your shirt.

Funnily enough, the 2 openly trans people at my work that I know of are non-binary. I'm yet to be convinced that non-binary is anything other than sad, boring straight people appropriating a trans identity to give some kind of meaning and pathos to their pointless, narcissistic sadness. It's those 2 people, with a few other LGBT colleagues, that are some of the most enthusiastic posters on our enterprise social media. I don't follow their group, but I still get email updates about new posts on International Non-Binary Day and Transgender Day of Visibility and the like. They do stuff offline too, like events for various visibility and anti-homo/bi/transphobia days.
We have all types of people at our company - people who escaped various communist regimes in the 80s and other refugees, migrants from all over the world, people with disabilities, you name it - but no-one, absolutely no-one self-promotes and over-posts even a fraction as much as the LGBTQ pronoun evangelists.
I wonder how far this will go.

 

[Hepativore]

I never had a particularly strong opinion on trans people one way or another as they seemed to be a very tiny part of the human population and therefore rare and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

This all changed for me in the past six years or so with the rise of Tumblr and Twitter SJW culture as well as the woke blob devouring much of the entertainment that I used to enjoy ranging from comics, cartoons, tabletop RPGs, games, etc. and it seemed to use the trans movement as its main weapon to call for the cancelation or revision of various people or franchises.

I have nothing against gays, lesbians or bisexuals, but the problem with the trans movement is how it insists that everybody use special and confusing pronouns or make constant accommodations for a very tiny part of the population. Plus, I do not think that it is acceptable to encourage people who are not legally adults to go on hormones or start transitioning as there is a lot of confusion with personal identity at all levels with children and teenagers and the trans movement glosses over the fact that taking sex hormones before physical maturity can permanently fuck up many things both physically and mentally.

Also, a lot of these self-identified "trans" people seem to be "transtrenders", either hopping on the trans bandwagon for attention or to garner status from the woke crowd or are confused as to what being "trans" actually means. That is not even getting into the bigger issue that there are an awful lot of potential sex offenders that use being trans as a shield to gain access to potential victims, particularly children.

As to what is to be done about trans people, I think that "transitioning" should only be encouraged as a last resort to people who have been officially diagnosed as having "gender dysphoria" by a licensed psychiatrist. Even then, I do not think that sexual reassignment surgery should be allowed unless it is deemed absolutely necessary. This is because the realistic outcomes for such procedures are crude surgical mockeries of the real thing and in no way match the function and form of real genitalia not to mention the whole host of post-surgical complications that come with it.

Finally, biology is not fair, and there are a whole host of physical and psychological differences between men and women that cannot be simply glossed over. MTF troons should not be allowed to compete in women's sports as once an individual has gone through male puberty, they will always have an unfair advantage over natal women even if their testosterone levels have been greatly reduced as they still retain some advantages in muscle mass and physical size. The troons can call themselves whatever they want but it does not change the fact that a MTF is a castrated male with a mutilated inside-out penis and a FTM is a woman with her clitoris and labia made into a Frankenstein cocktail sausage.

 

[Kelly's Yeeted Legs]

We just want to peeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[WinchesterWhiskey]

The stories from my friend, the poor fucking cunt. God help his soul, because the therapy he goes to is doing half the work.

My friend, James, is a zoomer who left his hippie shithole state for another state and with no friends, decided to meet them on Discord through /k/. If you gents want the long version, feel free to ask. James ended up learning really fast why transgenders have such a bad rap when his very very hypersexual "omg guys I'm a goth girl" roommate and her(now ex wife) girlfriend would do nothing but make fun of him for not being able to find a girlfriend.

You'd think this would be enough up until the point James got home and figured out that their(actual) girlfriend and him fucked on his couch in front of his traumatized german shepherd and later would attempt suicide in his apartment with a Glock 21 and "missed". The verdict's still out on whether they did it as an attention grab or if it was done because of their PTSD from being a tanker in Iraq during the Battle of Mosul. James had one story that basically made him an alcoholic where his roommate was excited he was growing tits and asked him to feel them.

James went to the fridge, grabbed a 40 ounce, drank half of it, and contemplated suicide from that point forward. He kicked them out a couple months later.

His stories made me absolutely change my views on that community.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

It happened sometime last year, and honestly I can't even really say why. One day, the last shred of tolerance I had towards trannies drifted away. I can't even pin down an event that did it, or anything that definitively started it. 5 or 6 years ago, I tolerated them. Now, no longer. Simple as that.

 

[ILOVEDONUTSANDFRENCHFRIES]

One of my high school teachers who was both an AGP and a HSTS in hindsight, transitioned.
The guy was a closeted gay in a marriage with a (real) woman and had three kids together.
The guy got support messages all over facebook around 2015. I looked at the message and then saw it was him.
He transitioned.
He then filed law suits to have his wife lose custody over the children and the wife smeared out over the internet that during their marriage he would meet up with men dressed as a woman and charge them money for sexual services. He prostituted himself to dudes because it made him feel feminine and submissive, according to his ex-wife.
The wife got custody over the children and this dude started to demand emotional support from handmaidens by wining all over the internet how unfair life is.
Meanwhile he found himself some creepy boyfriend who is a college professor with a high function (economics faculty) and the troon had bottom surgery which he bragged about on the internet plus he had breast implants done and he had feminizing surgeries on his face.
He looks like an over-the-top drag queen with gay voice and effeminate gay manners.
He has ridiculously augmented lips and he calls women "honey, sugar or sweety" .
He reacts towards men's pictures with cutie-pie.
The dude he is in a relationship with left his wife for him.
Goes to show you how degenerate men can be.
To give up their families to end up a caricature like that.
This person made me peak-trans.
He changed careers too by the way. He is no longer a high school teacher, he is now a woman's wellness coach.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

snip

>He had his wife smeared out over the internet
>he is now a woman's wellness coach

The absolute fucking irony.

 

[ILOVEDONUTSANDFRENCHFRIES]

>He had his wife smeared out over the internet
>he is now a woman's wellness coach

The absolute fucking irony.

You think he cares about the women he coaches?
He probably chose that career for validation and to prove how he's just one of the gals trying to help. 'nuff said.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

The stories from my friend, the poor fucking cunt. God help his soul, because the therapy he goes to is doing half the work.

My friend, James, is a zoomer who left his hippie shithole state for another state and with no friends, decided to meet them on Discord through /k/. If you gents want the long version, feel free to ask. James ended up learning really fast why transgenders have such a bad rap when his very very hypersexual "omg guys I'm a goth girl" roommate and her(now ex wife) girlfriend would do nothing but make fun of him for not being able to find a girlfriend.

You'd think this would be enough up until the point James got home and figured out that their(actual) girlfriend and him fucked on his couch in front of his traumatized german shepherd and later would attempt suicide in his apartment with a Glock 21 and "missed". The verdict's still out on whether they did it as an attention grab or if it was done because of their PTSD from being a tanker in Iraq during the Battle of Mosul. James had one story that basically made him an alcoholic where his roommate was excited he was growing tits and asked him to feel them.

James went to the fridge, grabbed a 40 ounce, drank half of it, and contemplated suicide from that point forward. He kicked them out a couple months later.

His stories made me absolutely change my views on that community.

/k/

A magical place.

 

[Windows Error 98]

I’d been wary of it for several years, but lurking this website really was the final straw. It’s just a free out card for sex pests and any male who’s ever done anything wrong. Raped a girl? “I’m trans, it was just venting my frustration at this transmisogynist society!” Draw actual child pornography? “It’s just venting my trauma!!!!” None of this shit makes any sense, but we’re all forced to accept it. It’s all leftist naval gazing over the very concept of “identity” to the point of meaninglessness. But I am forced to pretend I am okay with this in public, lest I lose my job. God I hope the tide turns in the next few years.

 

[ILOVEDONUTSANDFRENCHFRIES]

I’d been wary of it for several years, but lurking this website really was the final straw. It’s just a free out card for sex pests and any male who’s ever done anything wrong. Raped a girl? “I’m trans, it was just venting my frustration at this transmisogynist society!” Draw actual child pornography? “It’s just venting my trauma!!!!” None of this shit makes any sense, but we’re all forced to accept it. It’s all leftist naval gazing over the very concept of “identity” to the point of meaninglessness. But I am forced to pretend I am okay with this in public, lest I lose my job. God I hope the tide turns in the next few years.

The tide is not to turn for at least another decade.
Here on Kiwifarms some members start to defend troons already.
That's when you know shit is really bad.
There is one man here who transitioned and he has received so much ass-kissing. Sickening.
Trannies have even brain washed an extreme right forum.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

The stories from my friend, the poor fucking cunt. God help his soul, because the therapy he goes to is doing half the work.

My friend, James, is a zoomer who left his hippie shithole state for another state and with no friends, decided to meet them on Discord through /k/. If you gents want the long version, feel free to ask. James ended up learning really fast why transgenders have such a bad rap when his very very hypersexual "omg guys I'm a goth girl" roommate and her(now ex wife) girlfriend would do nothing but make fun of him for not being able to find a girlfriend.

You'd think this would be enough up until the point James got home and figured out that their(actual) girlfriend and him fucked on his couch in front of his traumatized german shepherd and later would attempt suicide in his apartment with a Glock 21 and "missed". The verdict's still out on whether they did it as an attention grab or if it was done because of their PTSD from being a tanker in Iraq during the Battle of Mosul. James had one story that basically made him an alcoholic where his roommate was excited he was growing tits and asked him to feel them.

James went to the fridge, grabbed a 40 ounce, drank half of it, and contemplated suicide from that point forward. He kicked them out a couple months later.

His stories made me absolutely change my views on that community.

Going to be honest of all the stories in this thread, this one gave me the most whiplash of all of them. James needs a hug. One where the one giving it has full and wonderful tits that aren't just growing in adulthood on a man.

 

[Hepativore]

One more thing I forgot to mention in my prior post...I have never seen a MTF troon that actually looks convincing enough to pass for a woman, as the chin and and the hands are a dead give away, and there is only so much that can be done for a post-pubescent male trying to mimic a woman's voice.

For the few non-troon people out there that truly do suffer from gender dysphoria, I do not hate them like I do the idiotic troons, but I think there should be more of an effort on the part of mental health professionals to try and explore why they feel the way that they do...just like it is not condoned that people who have apotemnophilia be allowed to cut off body parts for no medical reason. In both cases, it is not the person's fault for having a psychiatric disorder, but an effort should be made to treat gender dysphoria sufferers to try and accept themselves for what they are instead of going through extensive and maiming elective procedures to try and achieve what is biologically impossible.

 

[Oliver Onions]

For me it was Mister Metokur's 'Transtastic Tales' video that actually showed --in graphic detail-- the reality of the surgeries and their aftermath.

I used to hold what I believe is the fairly typical liberal position that 'well so long as they get the plumbing done, there's no reason not to treat them like a woman/man'. I was naive enough to think you could have the surgery and have a fully functioning vagina or dick because I never really stopped to think how insanely complicated something like that would actually be.

That caused me to 180 completely on my position of dating trannies, then as I started to see more and more of them in the wild I came to realise a staggering amount of them are also deeply unpleasant people in general and, as the saying goes...gradually, I began to hate them.