The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Muh Vagina said:
My studies are from actual scientific sources. Where are yours from? Oh, wait! You haven't linked any!

If you trusted science, you would be pro-choice.
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This isn't my first debate. There's literally no point in swapping cherry-picked studies we'll each criticize and ultimately dismiss, as you've done already when provided studies.

Of course, your appeal to authority is exactly what I'd expect from someone incapable of critical thinking. You can't formulate your own own thoughts, hell, it seems impossible for you to articulate much beyond "LET ME KILL BABIES UNOPPOSED, BIGOTS!!!!"

You're a simple broken record. Nobody cares about your flawed logic. If you don't want to have a baby, do not form one. It's that simple. You shouldn't be allowed to kill anyone at any stage of their life; not at any point in their 25 years of development, nor after that at any time up until their natural death at 100, even if they're requiring assistance to live.

I'll repeat: DO NOT get pregnant if you do not want a child. It's 2021, if you're getting pregnant it's your fault, take the responsibility.

For argument's sake I'll even let you have cases of rape and incest, which account for ~1% of abortions combined. It's still fucked up but whatever.

Science says life starts at conception. Get over your feminist religion and accept facts.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
It's really cute how you assmad right-wingers act like puritanical boomers. The future is now, old man.

It's gotta suck to be a 25 year old virgin that is so assmad that women won't touch you that you want to punish people who do have sex. I recommend going outside and log off of /pol/ every now and then.


lol calm down
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Puritanical? If that's what opposing infanticide is then sign me right the fuck up.

And again, who would even want to be in the same room as a baby killer, let alone have any connection to them? I've cut off family and friends who've had abortions, you think I'd simp for a cunt with the blood of her own child on her hands?

You try to paint it like all women are in agreement with you and that if everyone doesn't bathe in baby blood then our cocks will be forever alone. Luckily, half of women are repulsed by your views and your evil shit, and wouldn't give you the time of day. The other half are probably repulsed by you too, for other reasons, like that faggy bitch personality.

I'll give @Muh Vagina this much, at least they don't rely purely on pathetic ad hominem. Letting studies carry them is a lot more respectable than your mind-numbingly stupid non-arguments.

You're not even here for a discussion nor debate, just a sad little troll who thinks he'll snag some feminist pussy if he drapes himself in the corpses of infants. The more I think about it, I hope you live a long life, actually. It's probably painful killing your soul every day in the hopes that you'll find something worth living for. I can't even imagine that. Then Hell after that, yikes.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
Science says life starts at conception. Get over your feminist religion and accept facts.
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Lol no it doesn't. It's cute when you fundies like to claim you know science, though.

SSj_Ness said:
Puritanical? If that's what opposing infanticide is then sign me right the fuck up.

And again, who would even want to be in the same room as a baby killer, let alone have any connection to them? I've cut off family and friends who've had abortions, you think I'd simp for a cunt with the blood of her own child on her hands?

You try to paint it like all women are in agreement with you and that if everyone doesn't bathe in baby blood then our cocks will be forever alone. Luckily, half of women are repulsed by your views and your evil shit, and wouldn't give you the time of day. The other half are probably repulsed by you too, for other reasons, like that faggy bitch personality.

I'll give @Muh Vagina this much, at least they don't rely purely on pathetic ad hominem. Letting studies carry them is a lot more respectable than your mind-numbingly stupid non-arguments.

You're not even here for a discussion nor debate, just a sad little troll who thinks he'll snag some feminist pussy if he drapes himself in the corpses of infants. The more I think about it, I hope you live a long life, actually. It's probably painful killing your soul every day in the hopes that you'll find something worth living for. I can't even imagine that. Then Hell after that, yikes.
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You're the one advocating that pro-choice people should get raped to death. You're also a new user, which means you're likely a spaztic retard by default.

Abortion isn't infanticide, either. Fetuses aren't infants, retard

Not everyone is a religious retard like you. The US is not a Christian nation, despite what you evangelical retards want. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But women have a right to body autonomy, too. Forcing women to carry a baby to term means you should also be forced to give blood and organs, as you already want to remove body autonomy.

Do you also support welfare for women that can't afford to raise their baby, or are you a good little evangelical and don't care about the baby once its born?

Oh, and hi Feetloaf. Glad you're back, retard
 
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Abortions to be granted only to both baby and mother. Simplifies the process so much I think we can afford to have the government pay for them.
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Lol no it doesn't. It's cute when you fundies like to claim you know science, though.


You're the one advocating that pro-choice people should get raped to death. You're also a new user, which means you're likely a spaztic retard by default.

Abortion isn't infanticide, either. Fetuses aren't infants, retard

Not everyone is a religious retard like you. The US is not a Christian nation, despite what you evangelical retards want. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But women have a right to body autonomy, too. Forcing women to carry a baby to term means you should also be forced to give blood and organs, as you already want to remove body autonomy.

Do you also support welfare for women that can't afford to raise their baby, or are you a good little evangelical and don't care about the baby once its born?

Oh, and hi Feetloaf. Glad you're back, retard
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You probably believe in infinite genders so don't try to pretend you're for science lmao

More ad hominem, huh? Me being a new user and you calling me names sure drives your argument home lol. Dumb faggot.

A fetus is a baby, get over it, abortion is infanticide. I know you want to distance yourself from the idea of supporting the murder of babies because cognitive dissonance is a bitch, but grow up and face the obvious reality. It's good though, that means maybe there is some sliver of humanity in you, baby killer.

My beliefs on abortion have nothing to do with religion. Do you see me making any religious arguments? Citing scriptures? No? Then drop the bullshit, it's just MORE ad hominem. Honestly, I'm fine insulting each other but don't mischaracterize my position, it's really a slimy thing to do. You know perfectly well what you're doing here, trying to undermine my arguments by framing me as a religious zealot.

Is this really the best you've got? Everyone is a virgin, a zealot, and puritanical boomer if they don't like baby killers? Fucking pathetic, bro.

Why should I give blood and organs, what action have I taken to be responsible for another person which would logically and morally compel me to do so?

I support aid for single mothers who can't support their baby, and punishment for absent fathers. Even if I didn't however, that wouldn't justify killing the kid. Forfeiting the child is better than killing it.

Didn't you already call me Feetloaf before? Is that guy really living in your head rent free?
 
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Vince McMahon said:
Rape victims aren't the majority of abortions.
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No, but they're still a percentile bracket that pro-lifers aren't willing to discount. It's all or nothing with those guys. In any case, I'm on the fence when it comes to abortion. On the one hand, I believe it's every woman's right to abort and it isn't something I would give a great deal of thought to. On the other hand, wailing sob stories of unwanted pregnancies (i.e. landwhale streamer gets knocked up by onlyfans sugar daddy) will no doubt find their way here eventually, and for that reason, anti-abortion can be a good thing.
 
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Internet Explorer said:
No, but they're still a percentile bracket that pro-lifers aren't willing to discount.
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Statistically insignificant percentile bracket, that gets brought up by pro-choicers as a shield to cower from legitimate criticism. Had they not been using rape victims that way, perhaps there would've been more sympathy during the debate.
 
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Vince McMahon said:
Statistically insignificant percentile bracket, that gets brought up by pro-choicers as a shield to cower from legitimate criticism.
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Arguably, yes. But weighing in, it's also raised as means of bringing the ethics of pro-life into question. I'm indifferent either way. What people choose to do or not do with their bodies, including pregnancy, is entirely their prerogative. But I do think it's absurd the way in which pro-lifers prattle on about their righteous indignation. It's exceptionally fucking retarded*.

*Sauce: anything posted by @SSj_Ness.
 
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Internet Explorer said:
But weighing in, it's also raised as means of bringing the ethics of pro-life into question.
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In practice, it's a really lazy, inchoate argument that doesn't even begin to touch the pro-life position or question its ethics.

The pro-life position is generally "don't abort babies in the womb because they're human beings so aborting them is tantamount to murder". Does it really matter how the conception happened without there being mortal peril to the mother? Put another way, why does the fetus get aborted when the fetus didn't commit the rape that conceived him? Is it the circumstances of his birth that justify his humanity?

And why can't the fetus be carried to term then put up for adoption if he's really that much of a source of trauma?

The person who brings up rape victims in the context of an abortion discussion is never prepared to answer any of the questions above, and if they wish to argue that the premise of the pro-life camp is wrong, they obviate any value this invocation has because a pro-choice position wouldn't even care about the circumstances in the face of the right of the mother to choose. It's because of this that it's incontrovertibly low-effort emotional manipulation.
 
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Zero Day Defense said:
And why can't the fetus be carried to term then put up for adoption if he's really that much of a source of trauma?
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Agreed. Just because pregnancy may be the result of sexual assault, doesn't mean that abortion is the only option. Some people will choose to have the baby and put it up for adoption, and that's perfectly fine, just as it's perfectly okay to go through with the abortion if they don't wish to be burdened with it. And you can't really blame them, since in the event of sexual assault, they never wished for it in the first place, nor did they intend to become pregnant. In any case, the onus will always lie on the mother, and I just don't think draconian ethics from an outside party should have any bearing on that.
 
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Internet Explorer said:
Agreed. Just because pregnancy may be the result of sexual assault, doesn't mean that abortion is the only option. Some people will choose to have the baby and put it up for adoption, and that's perfectly fine, just as it's perfectly okay to go through with the abortion if they don't wish to be burdened with it. And you can't really blame them, since in the event of sexual assault, they never wished for it in the first place, nor did they intend to become pregnant. In any case, the onus will always lie on the mother, and I just don't think draconian ethics from an outside party have any bearing on that.
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If a man gets raped or spermjacked and the woman conceives as a result, he hasn't any recourse should the mother elect to keep the child. He gets saddled with child support, worst case scenario. He doesn't get to order an abortion on the mother. He doesn't even get to disappear from their lives, and even if he could, he'd regardless be abandoning his child.

It's because of this, in part, that I'm about as unrelenting about my position on the scenario as I am about reporting sexual abuse-- your trauma needs to be overcome at least just enough for you to do what needs to be done, and it'll be difficult for me to sympathize otherwise.
 
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