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Maybe witchcraft just turns you into a fat, ugly hag. Or an ugly bastard if you're a warlock.
Bowie was pretty hot, so was Christopher Lee, but again that ties back to the whole "You gotta actually do shit." philosophy that is by no means unique to witchcraft.
If anything, them starting that store was in the spirit, but it seems like that was the end of it. They definitely have the "internet witchcraft" spirit of "I did the thing, give treats now!"
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Bowie was pretty hot, so was Christopher Lee, but again that ties back to the whole "You gotta actually do shit." philosophy that is by no means unique to witchcraft.
If anything, them starting that store was in the spirit, but it seems like that was the end of it. They definitely have the "internet witchcraft" spirit of "I did the thing, give treats now!"
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I've got a better explanation: they're celebrities. They have entire teams dedicated to making sure they're attractive.
 
I know Christopher Lee is probably the coolest celebrity, but he wasn't actually that into the occult. There's a video where someone actually asked him about it and Lee mentioned having heard the rumors but he only had one or two books on the subject. In the same interview, he made a comment about how its a horrible idea and would ruin your soul if you could do it.

From what I gather, his religious views were Anglican Catholic, which I didn't know existed until I googled it.
 
I know Christopher Lee is probably the coolest celebrity, but he wasn't actually that into the occult. There's a video where someone actually asked him about it and Lee mentioned having heard the rumors but he only had one or two books on the subject. In the same interview, he made a comment about how its a horrible idea and would ruin your soul if you could do it.

From what I gather, his religious views were Anglican Catholic, which I didn't know existed until I googled it.
He's correct. Good to know he's a celebrity who wasn't a complete headcase.
 
There's a video where someone actually asked him about it and Lee mentioned having heard the rumors but he only had one or two books on the subject. In the same interview, he made a comment about how its a horrible idea and would ruin your soul if you could do it.
He's correct. Good to know he's a celebrity who wasn't a complete headcase.
A man after my own heart :heart-full:
From what I know about the guy, he wasn't into occultism, but he was "into" it in the sense that he was educated about it and interested in it.
The clip in question
“I have met people who claim to be Satanists, who claim to be involved with black magic, who claimed that they not only knew a lot about it. But as I said, I certainly have not been involved and I warn all of you: never, never, never. You will not only lose your mind: you lose your soul.”​
1975 interview where he talks about running into irl "satanists" (starts around the 1:30 mark)
Interviewer: "Do you regard black magic as being purely fictitious or is there some truth in it?"​
Lee: "Some truth? 100% truth. There is nothing fictitious about black magic in any way whatever. It is a fact! It is a fact that has existed for several thousand years. I mean, when we are talking about black magic we are talking about satanism, necromancy, alchemy, witchcraft, the worship of Satan, the worship of dark forces, voodoo, hoodoo, whether it's something practiced in the western world or the eastern world, whether it's easily defined or not easily defined; the order of the left-hand path, the following of this, the following of that. It is basically the worship of the force of evil as embodied by Satan, Lucifer, the princes of darkness and their legions and so on. In a very simple sense, but of course it goes more deeply than that. It is a fact. It is a desperately dangerous fact. It does exist. It exists around us today. Satanic ceremonies will be happening in Britain tonight, very definitely. Ask any priest[1]. Ask any member of the forces of law and order and they will tell you that satanism, as such, it's there, and it has been for thousands of years. Man has worshiped the devil longer than he as worshiped, perhaps, any established religious figure."​
[1] "A learned priest of the Roman Church told me, when I met him in Galway, that in his opinion those places in Ireland where ancient sacrifices were performed to pagan or Druid gods are still, unless they have been regularly exorcized, under the control of demons (daemons)." W.Y. Evans-Wentz, The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries,
This whole interview is fantastic. (I also like his interjection at 9:50 where he feels the need to make clear that he knows all this from reading and paying attention to the 1970s equivalent of these same cows, but doesn't participate himself.)

Back on topic as payment for my sidebar above.
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It never stops amusing me that these idiots will claim they know spells how to turn people to stone and other such displays of mythical might but yet also think they need to wear a mask to protect themselves from Covid. They also still wear the mask while picturing themselves out in the woods because you gotta keep the flatten the curve for those squirrels!

I've also dealt with far more older women who chide me for not smiling but that's just anecdotal experience, they're just working in that casual bitching about men because that's easy asspats.
 
Not directly on topic, but I found this quote from, CS Lewis you may find amusing.


“Three hundred years ago people in England were putting witches to death. Was that what you call the 'Rule of Human Nature or Right Conduct?’ But surely the reason we do not execute witches is that we do not believe there are such things. If we did—if we really thought that there were people going about who had sold themselves to the devil and received supernatural powers from him in return and were using these powers to kill their neighbours or drive them mad or bring bad weather—surely we would all agree that if anyone deserved the death penalty, then these filthy quislings did? There is no difference of moral principle here: the difference is simply about matter of fact. It may be a great advance in knowledge not to believe in witches: there is no moral advance in not executing them when you do not think they are there. You would not call a man humane for ceasing to set mousetraps if he did so because he believed there were no mice in the house.”

 
So, apparently Vice laid off 17 staff members of their Refinery29 team, but don't worry, they made sure to keep the horoscope people.
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One of the people who got laid off had this in their twitter timeline:
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Is that an armpit?
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What does being "queeeeeeeeer" have to do with astrology?
So I looked it up and found it's an app: "The hyper-personalized, social astrology experience. Co – Star."
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I have beef with astrology in particular, but if someone else has the stomach for it please investigate and report back.
Truly the Fae leaving cartons of eggs in the woods and daddy Ares have abandoned them.
I'm gonna add Egg Carton Fae to my next ttrpg game.
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Goddammit my notifications on this thread didn't go off and I'm pissed I missed the Allah posts.

Another case of common sense advice made mystical:
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Numerologists and astrologers also intertwine a lot.
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This one features a tarot cameo.
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Holy fuck why do these people keep adding detail after detail to their Tarot cards? Wasn't the whole point of using Tarot cards for divination to relay advice and information quickly? Jfc.

@NoReturn the Christopher Lee interviews and his views on the Dark Arts are fascinating and every point he makes hits home. Hollywood/Weeb Witchcraft is nothing more than escapism and if these hipsters actually knew what they were asking for they'd drop the wicca shit immediately, I guarantee it.
 
@Baloney Face (still can't quote for whatever reason) I was just thinking about that Lewis quote the other day, and thought about posting it here but forgot before I got home, glad you saw it. Also, hows this for a weird bit of synchronicity, when I was looking up Anglican Catholicism for Christopher Lee the other day, one of the people mentioned on the page was C.S. Lewis. Technically he was just an Anglican, but most of the beliefs he espoused lined up a lot more with Anglican Catholicism than generic Anglicism. Most likely due to JRR Tolkien being a big player in Lewis' conversion back to Christianity. You can even see it in both of their writing, borrowing a lot from Augustine of Hippo's Neo-platonic framework for Christianity. In the Narnia books (and The Great Divorce), Aslan's Country/Heaven are both described as being infinitely more real than our world, and they're the platonic ideal of the fallen things we see in our regular lives. In LotR no one but Eru Illuvatar/God is able to truly create, the orcs are corrupted elves (and maybe men, I read the Silmarillion a while ago, I can't fuckin' remember) the Ring wraiths and Witch King are men who have been thoroughly corrupted by the ring, and barely exist at all (as in they are the opposite of God, and therefore existence).

Sorry for sperging a bit there. CS Lewis is probably my favorite author. I can ramble about his work for hours.
 
With all these 'Witches' it always feels like, should such spiritual/magical forces exist, many are dealing with them in the most unsafe ways or in ways that might upset the deities. There are so many tales of people messing with things they don't fully understand, usually with a bad outcome, that I find many of their behaviour too willy nilly when dealing with the occult if that makes sense. Probably some of them aren't like it, but just the majority posted in this thread give off the feel that they'd be the one to call down occult punishment by doing something they shouldn't have in any horror film that deals with those themes. Like for the Weeb Witches they've most likely read Magus Bride which does a pretty good job of showing how terrifying Fae and the like can be, yet they act like they are safe from all that when they do their own stuff.

It's just something I find personally weird about all these people going off what I've read myself about this kind of stuff. Honestly seems like in most cases you'd be trying your hardest not to catch the attention of such deities or spirits, since nothing good seems to come out of it in the long term.
 
@Moguro Fukuzou:
With all these 'Witches' it always feels like, should such spiritual/magical forces exist, many are dealing with them in the most unsafe ways or in ways that might upset the deities. There are so many tales of people messing with things they don't fully understand, usually with a bad outcome, that I find many of their behaviour too willy nilly when dealing with the occult if that makes sense.
If that stuff were real, it would happen all the time to these "Witches" and we'd hear about it.
I'd argue that it does. Hear me out.
As much as I joke about Bowie and others like him who were into magic, how many successful "occultists" (sarcasm quotes will not be included hereafter, but please know they are there) can you think of who actually lead happy lives, or could be thought of as good or successful people? Blavatski ended up an elephant-footed grump who would be in the deathfats forum if she were alive today, L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology, Parsons got blown up, Crowley got the fame he wanted after death so he never got to enjoy it, Hess was a nazi so we know how that one ended... Sure there are some exceptions, but you see what I'm getting at here.
Personally, the only practitioners I've ever found worthy of respect are those who just have magic as a "normal" part of their life. Little grannies who know herbal remedies, people who use folk beliefs in their daily life, "pagans" who practice self-cultivation as a form of worship... stuff like that.
When you think of the people who are the subjects of this thread, we don't think of people who have achieved much of - if any - of what they claim to be working towards through their practice. Instead, by and large they need to be weak in body and mind; lacking in self-control, self-care, and self-love (despite their assertions otherwise); isolated and lonely individuals. What's more, literally everything I just described above could just as easily be explained by the fact that magic in the neo-pagan/witchtok/hextagram/whateverthefuck variety and shit like brujeria/palo mayombe/etc. enables and often encourages poor life choices.
Some examples:
  • The encouragement of destruction and filth in things like palo mayombe leads directly to social isolation. Can't have company over if your nganga-room smells like rotting blood and spoiled alcohol.
  • The fact that hexes and spells can "come true" as a matter of pure coincidence or subconscious action is a form of variable-interval operant conditioning. We already know this is the most effective means of forming habits, and can become a behavioral addiction very quickly. (This same principal is used for addicting games and apps.)
  • Believing yourself to be a "purely spiritual being" and teaching yourself disdain for the physical world can lead to neglect of your body, and seeking escape through drugs can damage it.
  • Tulpas are just fancy imaginary friends, and treating them as if they are real is self-induced psychosis.
  • Shifting is maladaptive daydreaming with occasional bouts of lucid dreaming, the former of which is unhealthy, and the latter of which is freaking awesome, but being used for live out Harry Potter fanfiction, which is gross.
  • Manifestation blurs the lines of what is and is not under your control, while simultaneously putting you into a psychological trap wherein anything bad that happens to you is something you brought upon yourself.
So, yeah, I'd argue they are facing negative "spiritual" consequences as a result of their involvement, but not in the way movies show it. If I were a demon, getting someone into this bullshit would be a wonderful way to fuck with them, no curses or summoning circles required.
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