The Neon Genesis Evangelion Thread - Death & Rebirth & Rebirth & Rebirth & Rebirth & Rebirth & Rebirth & Rebirth...

Mana is a interesting character, of all original characters created over the years, she is the only one who gets different appearances as the time goes. Even in her own game, she gets an expanded backstory and a new end back in 2009.
I’ve said this before but Mana is also basically the proto-Mari. If her design wasn’t so basic, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’d have been inserted into the Rebuilds instead of a new character with a similar personality and backstory.
 
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Just watched 3.0+1.0 last night. I loved it, with a few caveats.

First of all, I'll admit that the original series is very near and dear to my heart. I'd probably laugh it off if I saw it now, but seeing it at 15 was honestly a life-changing experience. I have basically every shot from the latter half of the series and EoE permanently burned in my psyche from watching it so much as a teenager. It basically informed all my aesthetic tastes since then. Yeah, Kaworu should have been in more than one episode. Yeah, some of the filler episodes could be skipped over. It's still a masterpiece in my eyes for reasons totally emotional.

I've also was never as big a fan of Rebuild (and I watched 1.0 and 2.0 pretty soon after seeing the original series, so I can't claim nostalgia). 1.0 is great because it's just the first six episodes with better animation. 2.0 I had more mixed feelings about (cramming too much info into one movie), even though the animation is incredibly beautiful. 3.0 was... interesting. I personally appreciated how relatively slow it was, and how it went in such a different direction than the original series, just because the I wouldn't want to watch a complete remake. But yeah, the info bombs around the finale were a bit much, and despite having a whole movie, Kaworu still felt as underdeveloped as he was in the original.

Now onto 3.0 + 1.0

The village scenes were wonderful. Great character development for all the characters, and it was lovely to see the Toji, Hikari, and Kensuke again. It really gave the opening half some breathing room that the first three movies desperately needed.

I'm not as much of a sucker for the mecha fight scenes, and I do think that they can be a bit overcrowded and over-the-top in these movies, but the Mari and Asuka vs the Nerv Eva's was fucking awesome. Some of the most beautiful visuals I have ever seen. Not as good as Asuka vs MP Evas in EoE, but that's mainly because the characters hadn't been as developed as much.

I'll admit that some of the lingo thrown around the middle towards the end of the movie was a bit much. I had already long accepted that the religious references were mostly just for show, and parallelism that did seem to work was mostly coincidence. However, once Black Lilith showed up I stopped trying to understand and just go for the ride, which is not unlike what I did when I first saw EoE all those years ago. Yes, the rise of Lilith does not quite have the same impact as it did in EoE despite being even more over-the-top. There definitely was a sense of apocalypse fatigue throughout some of the scenes. There's really not a whole lot you can do to make Evangelion even more crazy than it already is. I will say, though, I do defend the CGI face and the Failures of Infinity. They added a kind of surreal horror to it all that really did work for me, even if it still doesn't compare to EoE.

(All things considered, it is pretty strange that EoE comes off as mundane compared to what happens in this film).

This film really expanded on Gendo in ways that the original didn't. In the original, Gendo's vulnerability really only came during the beginnings of the Third Impact and right before his "death". Seeing his weaker side was really effective in my eyes. Again, even though Rebuild is (maybe) supposed to be self-contained, it really did feel like a complement to the Gendo and Shinji we knew from those years ago. There was something supremely satisfying watching Shinji and Gendo talk it out. Also, the Unit 1 and Unit 13 was fucking beautiful. I'm really surprised it got that much hate in the thread.

Then, the Instrumentality scenes. I LOVED them. First of all, I was greatly pleased with all the references to 25-26 from the tv series, which I will still defend to the death. The lack of budget/scheduling on those episodes were saved by the brilliant editing and pacing, which made them feel alive even when the animation wasn't. I wasn't surprised to see Tsurumaki was involved with this movie, as he directed 25-26. Everything that made those episodes great were made even better by this movie. The editing was immaculate, the dialogue pitch perfect, the different techniques involved gave it a stylish flair as the originals did. I was over the moon for these scenes.

The OST was also killer. I think that goes without saying.
This was literally me seeing the references to the original in the last film:
I hate to admit, but I did too. The thing is though, I felt like it wasn't just fanservice (although it certainly is that). I felt like it was complementing the original by these throwbacks and genuinely added something to it. Like the part where they literally just show clips from EoE being projected on the back felt like it was more than just "hey, remember this". It was showing that Anno himself had overcome the despair that characterized his earlier works. This was perhaps best demonstrated by the scene at the beach, which was of course a reference to the last scene in EoE, but it was remixed in a way I thought was brilliant.

And I won't lie, I did get teary eyed at the end. While I never thought that NGE ever lacked closure (EoE provided it in spades), there was a profound sense of happiness I felt knowing that Anno finally got to tell the story he wanted to tell. Yes, it was a bit of a mess, just as the original series was, but there was a cathartic sense seeing these characters finally be happy. Not as good as EoE of course (nothing ever could be in my eyes), but immensely satisfying all the same. I'm still processing it, but this definitely does add something to the legacy of the original series. Fuck it, I love Evangelion.
 
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Sometimes I feel like I am the only one who doesn't give much shit about the TV series, I think the manga is way better than the TV series in writing. TV series shinji is almost like a parody of what people say about shinji, I feel that the manga shinji is way better character and more realistic as someone who closes himself to others. Also only after rereading after many years I finally got the Rei character, unlike the anime, which to this day always feels like an afterthought (which anno himself admits it)

And the most obvious thing: The thing is that evangelion carries itself way more in the visual department than the story/characters themselves. Last year I watched Rahxephon, which was kinda similar in the sense of a group of talented staff joining themselves to do a project united by some designer turned into director. The stories, the lore, the character of Rah is way fucking more interesting than eva nowadays for me.

I feel like anno nowadays is more of a manager of talent than talented himself, he unites people which sparkle life into things rather than be the one who makes it shine (like tomino, which is a madman auteur which is involved at everything in his productions)

Knowing how much the triad of people involved (anno, yamashita and sadamoto), I feel much more inclined to like when the latter two are shaping eva rather than anno (which unifies others vision instead of making his own)
 
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I reckon /mu/ must have seen 3.0+1.0 on the day Kanye West released his new album.
 
Some more Mana stuff, and in the manga Rei shows more emotion including jealousy:

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And Yui is also present and has an active role:

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And Ritsuko's crush on Gendou is much more apparent as is Maya's crush on Ritsuko
 
I saw this movie last week and I loved it. It's not perfect. It's not my favorite. But it did not disappoint me and I love that I can spend the rest of my life puzzling over it and never get answers.

But my favorite thing about it by far is all the KaworuXShinji shippers got blown the fuck out.

Shinji being gay for Kaworu was always the most smooth brained surface level interpretation of their relationship.
 
ALL OTHER FRANCHISES STEP THE FUCK OFF
BEST SHINJI IS ABOUT TO DEPART FROM THE STATION ON A DIRECT ROUTE BACK TO BEST FRANCHISE
PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE TRACK
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I came here to post that I just got around to watching this. Been following the series for over a decade. Always been kinda meh on the rebuilds.
It was very good. No major complaints, though I can see how people didn't like the action sequences. They're filler to me at this point in all shows. Just tune out. They could have been a lot more straightforward and readable.
Crazy bullshit is a staple of the series. I enjoy it. Maybe shouldn't have tried to mix all 3 previous endings.
Real Rei deserved more screentime and Mari was completely underdeveloped. Also fuck Karowu or however the fuck you spell it.
Neo-Rei in the village was definitely the best part.
7.5/10
 
i couldn't back this up with any objective surveys but i feel like eva is why there's a small resurgence of gnostic christian shit these days.

which was intriguing as an edgy teen when eva first came out but is comical now since it's like 'yes the jews say there's lillith but 500 years after the destruction of 2nd temple judiasm"

but man Komm, susser todd is pretty banging.

e: so rei is a clone or incarnation of yui right?
 
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i couldn't back this up with any objective surveys but i feel like eva is why there's a small resurgence of gnostic christian shit these days.

which was intriguing as an edgy teen when eva first came out but is comical now since it's like 'yes the jews say there's lillith but 500 years after the destruction of 2nd temple judiasm"

but man Komm, susser todd is pretty banging.

e: so rei is a clone or incarnation of yui right?
She’s a clone made from Yui and Lilith’s DNA.
 
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