Warhammer 40k

[Polyboros2]

Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy: Two Thin Coats Paints

A line of paints from the Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy

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So Duncan's paintline Kickstarter is up.

$4 a dropper, $55 for your choice of 15. $192 for the entire line ($180 early discount). Already at $200k, past all listed stretch goals.

The paints:


The Add-ons:

The agitators are kinda stupid, oh here's this cool looking thing I'll throw in my pot/dropper and never see again. 3D bases are alright, nothing you can't get off Etsy, but I'll probably go through that paint list and grab 3-4 individual droppers for some colors to give it a try.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

So I’m guessing shadow just means a base paint then.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@HTTP Error 404 You have to realize the fact that GW is moving 40K's art style to the clean, Marvel-esque aesthetic, because like almost every piece of media in the last 10 years, they've been trying to ape the Marvel movies in design in order to attract a wider following. Just as they abandoned the people who enjoyed the wacky, parody-esque nature of 1st and 2nd Edition 40K to get in bed with the edgelords who wound up forming the bulk of the 40K fandom from 3rd Edition to 7th Edition, now GW wants to abandon the older fans to get the young player base who are less responsible with daddy and mommy's wallets. Except this time, those kiddies love things like Marvel superheroes and Fortnite, and they both have gaudy, bright colors. Hence why the armor looks bright and gaudy, and it looks more like a high-tech armor that Iron Man might come up with in his basement, rather than a worn-down relic from an age of endless war.

An adult player will ration what he wants to buy versus what his actual needs are. Adult players might want to spend $500 on a new box set, but they'll only do so once the paycheck for their overtime comes in clear, since they still have things like grocery bills or mortgages in mind. On the flipside, there have been documented cases of kids spending hundreds of dollars a month on a videogame, getting skins and upgrades just to win one more match. They don't complain about the price tags of things, because A) they're too busy trying to win, and B) they're not spending their own money. GW wants that kind of audience, hence why the Space Marine design is going for a more cleaner, Iron Man-esque aesthetic, since kids watched Marvel movies like Iron Man and love high-tech shit, and the way the Primaris are in-game (stronger Space Marines that are more potent than the older armies) is oddly reminiscent of the pay-to-win upgrades that kids pay for in microtransaction-laden games.

In short, prepare for a future where 40K is less of an industrial, steampunk-style dystopia, and more of a generic futuristic world with advancing technology that make kids go "WOW!"

 

[Uranus Pink]

@LORD IMPERATOR You forgot to mention older players and fans due to counting pennies for reasons you've listed tend to have zero qualms and fucks to give buying less than full priced GW merch.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@LORD IMPERATOR You forgot to mention older players and fans due to counting pennies for reasons you've listed tend to have zero qualms and fucks to give buying less than full priced GW merch.

The older fans keep complaining about price hikes, inconsistencies with lore, among other things. Worse, they speak of 3D-printing models, or even buy older armies from second-hand sources instead of paying GW like good little consumers. So of course, GW models their new lineup to match the tastes of this new generation which loves the MCU and Fortnite.

With kids, GW doesn't have that problem. They see cool-looking Space Marines, they buy. It's the same thing GW did back in 3rd Edition, where they ditched the older fans who liked 40K for being a campy parody of fascism, and latched on to a new fanbase that loved grimdark fantasy.

But of course, there are adult fans who keep buying things. And no matter how many times they complain, they buy anyways, because they're blind company men. And of course, GW ignores their complaints, because hey, they're going to buy this slop anyways........

 

[Love Machine]

Kids barely play games workshop games, youd be lucky to get teens doing it.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Kids with disposable income pretty much kept to video gaming of one form or another for the past 30 plus years. GW had always betted on the little shits having few months interest in the "hobby" before they find another new shiny to blow their parents' money on.

 

[vern]

If GW really wanted to ape marvel, I'm surprised they didn't green light a Caiaphas Cain series first instead of the Eisenhorn series since imo none of the Cain books are really grimdark, sure they do have elements but the tone is pretty lighthearted even for a 40k series. Plus Cain is half way to a marvel hero at times albeit one with a rampant cowardice streak and a massive case of imposter syndrome.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Kids barely play games workshop games, youd be lucky to get teens doing it.

Kids with disposable income pretty much kept to video gaming of one form or another for the past 30 plus years. GW had always betted on the little shits having few months interest in the "hobby" before they find another new shiny to blow their parents' money on.

Then why is GW making content for kids to consume? Also, why are GW's profit margins continually on the rise?

Games Workshop Group PLC, GAW:LSE financials - FT.com

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The more they dip their toes in kid-friendly waters (modeling the game to be more like the MCU, increasing content to appeal to kids, pissing off the older, edgelord fans) the more money they make. Which leaves us with two conclusions:

1) Either GW's gamble worked and kids are beginning to participate in the hobby in droves

or

2) the 40K fanbase has a massive case of Stockholm Syndrome: the more GW screws them in the ass, the more money they put into GW's coffers.

It doesn't matter which one's true: what it does prove is that the fanbase's protests against GW and their handling of 40K ain't working, since it isn't hurting GW in the wallets. 3D Printing is already available, and yet someone or something is putting more money into GW than it previously had. It paints a picture that shows the old fans' protests matter for shit, since either GW is too focused on making money off stupid kids to pay attention to the 40K fans, or the 40K fans are such gluttons for punishment that they'd give EVEN MORE MONEY to a company that quite literally, told them to get fucked.

If GW really wanted to ape marvel, I'm surprised they didn't green light a Caiaphas Cain series first instead of the Eisenhorn series since imo none of the Cain books are really grimdark, sure they do have elements but the tone is pretty lighthearted even for a 40k series. Plus Cain is half way to a marvel hero at times albeit one with a rampant cowardice streak and a massive case of imposter syndrome.

Oh, but they did make a Marvel series focused on Marneus Calgar, turning him into an average Marvel superhero in a Space Marine outfit. Complete with a comic book-style plot twist.

 

[Love Machine]

Kids don't buy the models, plain and simple. The gw customer base is growing, but most of it is not children. Anyone who actually goes to their lgs can tell you that there is maybe a handful of children. Personally I'd like to see more little Timmys running around because at this point id at least have a break from the usual rabble in the game shop. If you want an answer as to why old fans are ignored. It's A) they moved to horus heresy b) they moved to another game or C) they consume anyway.

GW grows because they know how to milk money out of people, and they have a stranglehold on the market. Warhammer is the most well known tabletop wargame in the world, if people even know what a tabletop wargame is, it's probably going to be warhammer. As much as we all like to pick on them for stealing from other sci-fi things for their setting. Warhammer has been around long enough to where most "gamers" have seen a space marine and have heard "blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne". Their subtle changes to their retail strategy also has been a boon to them because boxed games sells well. It's easy for a redshirt to sell a normie an elite starter box or a combat patrol as a cold sell when they walk in off the street.

They keep parts of it "child friendly" because they don't want to completely cut of the potential market. But that's just part of them being out of touch because sadly Timmy isn't going to be mowing lawns all week to buy 2 boxes of intercessors.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So what you're telling me is that the same 40K fanbase full of people who constantly cry about GW being bad are putting more money in its coffers? Damn, does that present a depressing picture of the 40K fandom.

That, or are most of the whales adults? Because those guys would have walked away once 3D Printing became more readily available.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So what you're telling me is that the same 40K fanbase full of people who constantly cry about GW being bad are putting more money in its coffers? Damn, does that present a depressing picture of the 40K fandom.

That, or are most of the whales adults? Because those guys would have walked away once 3D Printing became more readily available.

Go visit DakkaDakka to see what your average GW consoooomer is like.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Go visit DakkaDakka to see what your average GW consoooomer is like.

I miss the days when people on dakka dakka shit talked other members who didn’t play Leaf Blower Guard or Razorback Spam.

 

[Love Machine]

So what you're telling me is that the same 40K fanbase full of people who constantly cry about GW being bad are putting more money in its coffers? Damn, does that present a depressing picture of the 40K fandom.

That, or are most of the whales adults? Because those guys would have walked away once 3D Printing became more readily available.

It's a classic vocal minority. Most people acknowledge the issues with games workshop but still enjoy their games.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's a classic vocal minority. Most people acknowledge the issues with games workshop but still enjoy their games.

So all the people whining about how bad GW is, no matter how legitimate their complaints, are just one tiny, whiny minority, while most of the fandom just wants to play games and doesn't care that GW is price-hiking and trying to attract little kids?

 

[Urbanmech]

So all the people whining about how bad GW is, no matter how legitimate their complaints, are just one tiny, whiny minority, while most of the fandom just wants to play games and doesn't care that GW is price-hiking and trying to attract little kids?

It's no different than the people still supporting Activision/Blizzard after Blitzchung and the CA lawsuit. Or people super woke Supporting Star Wars/Marvel/Disney after Disney thanking the part of Chinese Gov running the Concentration Camps. Westerners are all hypocrites its just how much of a hypocrite they are in the end.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's no different than the people still supporting Activision/Blizzard after Blitzchung and the CA lawsuit. Or people super woke Supporting Star Wars/Marvel/Disney after Disney thanking the part of Chinese Gov running the Concentration Camps. Westerners are all hypocrites its just how much of a hypocrite they are in the end.

Disney began to lose money after screwing over the SW fanbase. Disney now is a weakening beast, closing shops left and right, while their beloved MCU is fizzling out. Activision Blizzard is losing fans and players fast, and many of their old fans swore off buying future Blizzard games for good.

Games Workshop has been getting richer per year. Even with the fans continuing to buy, that should have just kept their profits steady, instead, it's been growing exponentially.

Games Workshop Group PLC, GAW:LSE financials - FT.com

Games Workshop Group PLC (GAW:LSE) financials, including income statements, growth rates, balance sheets and cash flow information.

markets.ft.com

 

[Love Machine]

You're adding words that I never said. The people who come out on every release and shit on it and say how they're moving to bolt action are an extremely vocal minority. You look at people like the outer seethe and he is actually on the money with most of his complaints, but at the end of the day he just wants to play the game. Most of the community does indeed just want to play their games and paint their models. But if you ask the vast majority of them, they'll be able to rattle of a list of shit that pisses them off. If you're complaining about them having cutsey art or a marvel comic book, then literally who gives a shit. It's not relevant because the community staff can't even tell the difference between power armor marks. If you want to talk about kids in the hobby there were probably more in the past then there are currently, so the point is essentially moot.

 

[Urbanmech]

Disney began to lose money after screwing over the SW fanbase. Disney now is a weakening beast, closing shops left and right, while their beloved MCU is fizzling out. Activision Blizzard is losing fans and players fast, and many of their old fans swore off buying future Blizzard games for good.

Games Workshop has been getting richer per year. Even with the fans continuing to buy, that should have just kept their profits steady, instead, it's been growing exponentially.

Games Workshop Group PLC, GAW:LSE financials - FT.com

Games Workshop Group PLC (GAW:LSE) financials, including income statements, growth rates, balance sheets and cash flow information.

markets.ft.com

The point wasn't about how much money each company was making. The point was about companies doing far worse things than GW and people still sucking the companies dick.

 

[ZMOT]

The point wasn't about how much money each company was making. The point was about companies doing far worse things than GW and people still sucking the companies dick.

don't forget:
disney losing money from having their parks and cinemas closed -> REVENGE FOR STAR WARS GO WOKE GO BROKE
gw making making bank selling overpriced plastic that costs pennies to produce to manchildren stuck at home with nothing to spend their money on -> HERE'S WHY CATERING TO KIDS WORKS