US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Gehenna]

I highly disagree with this based on the very fact that the Left exists and it's beliefs are clearly defined. Saying fighting with all you have gets rid of your identity is false. If anything, it strengthens your identity and takes hold of the zeitgeist.

The left is constantly eating itself, right now in the middle of a massive schism, and has descended into open civil war with itself.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Here's the Vietnam-esque songs coming out.

Time is a flat circle shit on by a pink haired tranny in a gorilla mask.

 

[potato in mah painus]

I highly disagree with this based on the very fact that the Left exists and it's beliefs are clearly defined. Saying fighting with all you have gets rid of your identity is false. If anything, it strengthens your identity and takes hold of the zeitgeist.

The purity spiral flies in the face of your opinion here, the left constantly redefining what is 'acceptable' and making it narrower and narrower. Their own beliefs are constantly eroding away and it shows with the infighting that occurs.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

my larger point has been that this particular policy was a pure power play in a desperate attempt to prove the admin isn't toothless. It's basically a hail mary pass to prevent the cabal from disintegrating into civil war.

I keep hearing Americans make this absolutely braindead point, so here's a question: if vaccine mandates are just a Biden administration distraction, explain New Zealand and Australia's lockdowns and jab passes. Or Canada's. Are they distracting from Biden's fuckups for him or are Americans so uniquely short-sighted that they can't draw the obvious conclusion?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

You're forgetting that the Left is able to collectivize across sub-ideologies yet the Right can't because the former has collectivization baked into the way they operate and conduct policy. It's how they were able to usurp the religious right's thirty-year hegemony over culture methodically within a couple decades. It's not necessarily ideology that allows the Left to overlook its own hypocrisy, play by its own rules and constantly shift rhetorical goal posts, but it's also the fact that the deck is stacked in their favor now. These are the same people who, twenty years ago, were bitching about the Right's hypocrisy and desperate need to retain its slipping power, simply because they were envious of the power that the Right wielded; they have now become everything they used to despise without a shred of irony.

With all that said, infantilizing politicians at the expense of the Left doesn't have the same bite to it the way the Left does it to the Right. Their stranglehold on mainstream media allows them to control the narrative to such an extent that it makes the Right look foolish while the Left doing the same thing either gets downplayed or outriht swept under the rug. Following the 2016 election, you had a bunch of Brits across a fucking ocean with zero stake in our politics flying a giant parade float of a big orange baby through the streets of London that got media attention across the developed world. If the Right did the same thing, not only would the Left be clutching their pearls and take the moral high ground at every turn, but a lot of people on the Right would be dismissive of it too.

You can't win with their tactics because they will just spin the narrative against you, and you will look like a massive faggot to your own constituents.

I disagree on the grounds that it's bad optics. MSM has steadily lost influence even in a comedy sense. Does anyone under the age of 30 watch SNL? No. Because SNL no longer attracts the best comedians. Youtube tries to crack down on dissident voices, but clearly it hasn't worked because not-Left wing Youtube has an organic audience. Breadtube are astroturfed as fuck.

Trump is a good example. He got the influence he did because he was funny. Who did he gather? It wasn't RINO cucks like Ben Shapiro; it was disaffected centrists unhappy with the two party system. Even after his defeat, he still has a solid loyal following willing to continue to pay him. He's far from cancelled.

"Ridicule is the best weapon; there is no defense against it" is a rule for radicals for a reason.

 

[X Prime]

The left is constantly eating itself, right now in the middle of a massive schism, and has descended into open civil war with itself.

In theory you're right, the problem is that most changes they manage to make while they're busy chewing don't get reversed.

Salami-slicing is no joke.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

The left is constantly eating itself, right now in the middle of a massive schism, and has descended into open civil war with itself.

Ideologies find themselves in conflict. They find themselves or find themselves lacking. Stuff like "schisms" only work to further define the ideas of movement. A schism only indicates a need for change, not the end of something.

Also, I like you Gehenna but you say, "Open Civil War" but all I see is business as usual. Every single one of these fuckers still tows the same line. If they had anything to worry about we would see more than out of context quotes from Kamala Harris where she isn't even discussing the source of supposed conflict. I'm not dooming, but I feel in relation to the "internal" side of things you're completely misreading the situation.

 

[Gehenna]

I keep hearing Americans make this absolutely braindead point, so here's a question: if vaccine mandates are just a Biden administration distraction, explain New Zealand and Australia's lockdowns and jab passes. Or Canada's. Are they distracting from Biden's fuckups for him or are Americans so uniquely short-sighted that they can't draw the obvious conclusion?

It's not braindead ignoring, it's seeing a larger picture and determining it's less conspiratorial than some think. World leaders talk to each other, surprising nobody. When one gets a bright idea, he shares it. Then a bunch decide it's applicable and if they all do it together it might give more weight.

It really does end there.

The U.S. held out for so long because it's political suicide, but with everything coming to head... why not jump on with the rest to try to assert some power?

 

[Some Badger]

I highly disagree with this based on the very fact that the Left exists and it's beliefs are clearly defined. Saying fighting with all you have gets rid of your identity is false. If anything, it strengthens your identity and takes hold of the zeitgeist.

Considering the fact that dyed-in-the-wool-leftists hate champagne socialists and the neoliberals who keep promising them their automated gay space communism only to reneg on everything the second they're elected into power, I'd say the infighting within the Left is alive and well.

Sophistry and inciting blind hatred within dumb fencesitting normies against your ideological opponent through effective propaganda may work, but the stains don't wash out, especially in the age of the internet where everything worth remembering is archived by somebody.

 

[Gehenna]

Ideologies find themselves in conflict. They find themselves or find themselves lacking. Stuff like "schisms" only work to further define the ideas of movement. A schism only indicates a need for change, not the end of something.

Also, I like you Gehenna but you say, "Open Civil War" but all I see is business as usual. Every single one of these fuckers still tows the same line. If they had anything to worry about we would being see more than out of context quotes from Kamala Harris where she isn't even discussing the source of supposed conflict. I'm not dooming, but I feel in relation to the "internal" side of things you're completely misreading the situation.

Consider the following:
1: The continued non existence of the "For The People Act"
2: The fact that after the President gave it a 'push' the infrastructure bill... suddenly dropped out of the news cycle.
3: Chipman's nomination going bye bye.
4: Pelosi suddenly visibly, publically, getting flaunted as having been meeting with Soros.
5: The cotntinued instances of the Squad mouthing off like little shits.
6: The absolute total silence of support from Congress for Biden's mandate.


I can keep going, but these are the most recent things. Consider them, consider the implications from them.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Pelosi suddenly visibly, publically, getting flaunted as having been meeting with Soros.

What does this imply?

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

It's not braindead ignoring, it's seeing a larger picture and determining it's less conspiratorial than some think. World leaders talk to each other, surprising nobody. When one gets a bright idea, he shares it. Then a bunch decide it's applicable and if they all do it together it might give more weight.

It really does end there.

The U.S. held out for so long because it's political suicide, but with everything coming to head... why not jump on with the rest to try to assert some power?

"It's not a conspiracy, it's just world leaders meeting behind closed doors to enact draconian policies!"

"It's a distraction technique that also dovetails with the authoritarian turn world governments have taken!"

Oh okay, so it's a theory that explains everything. Those are famously useful.

 

[Tree]

The inevitable result of "no bad tactics, only bad targets" is the loss of all you believe in. Once you choose to allow any tactic, you must fundamentally agree to compromise any principle to initiate that proposal.

Inevitably, when there are no restraints, there are no beliefs to keep.

Wrong. Friend vs enemy, in-group vs out. The restraints are applied differently to different people. You can have a non-universalist belief system. In fact, what we ultimately fight is the idea that we should all adopt a universal belief system, particularly one engineered by them, in favor of them, leaving us to eat dirt. The only way there should be a universal belief system is if it is imposed by our group, not theirs. They too feel this way. Recognizing this and recognizing that they are absolute enemies does not require you to give up your beliefs, it requires you to not believe in theirs.

Edit: Of course their belief system isn't anything close to "universal" either. Every one of the institutions under their control treats their friends differently from their enemies. Them trying to frame it as a just and fair system is simply them trying to impose their particularist beliefs on to others. In truth, there is no belief system that doesn't favor one group over another (libertarianism is no exception) and I would argue the one being forced on to us now isn't just unfair, but satanic and evil, in its origins, methods, and destination.

 

[X Prime]

Considering the fact that dyed-in-the-wool-leftists hate champagne socialists and the neoliberals who keep promising them their automated gay space communism only to reneg on everything the second they're elected into power, I'd say the infighting within the Left is alive and well.

I'm not sure why this matters. It's not like they're going to vote for anyone else. At best you get turnout differences.

Again, this is all talk until we see neoliberal policies actually reversed semi-permanently. Until that is seen regularly it's only a matter of time.

 

[Gehenna]

Wrong. Friend vs enemy, in-group vs out. You can have a non-universalist belief system. In fact, what we ultimately fight is the idea that we should all adopt a universal belief system, particularly one engineered by them, in favor of them, leaving us to eat dirt. The only way there should be a universal belief system is if it is imposed by our group, not theirs. They too feel this way. Recognizing this and recognizing that they are absolute enemies does not require you to give up your beliefs, it requires you to deny them theirs.

That'd not be "No bad tactics" though, it's merely acknowledging mutual incompatibility.

What does this imply?

That the Democrats are in -desperate- need of funding and support, the Establishment faction in particular. And that Pelosi publically kissed the ring and kow towed. Nothing short of something truly apocalyptic for her side would make her do that. Its... very demeaning.

 

[X Prime]

I seem to remember that the Democrats were broke last year too. That kind of talk never pans out because someone always swoops in.

 

[Gehenna]

I seem to remember that the Democrats were broke last year too. That kind of talk never pans out because someone always swoops in.

Nobody swooped in last time, and they were broken. What happened was that they formed a Cabal, a group of people whose sole uniting interest was "Fuck Trump". They burnt every favor they could, spent every bit of capital they could, to oust Trump and create a very, very shaky coalition. Something like this moves slowly, breaks apart slowly, and burns slowly. They managed to delay it, hold it back and buy themselves time to fix things.

The problem is that without Trump in office to unite them... there really was no impetus for them to fix anything. And so while they delayed the break, they didn't -stop- the break.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I seem to remember that the Democrats were broke last year too. That kind of talk never pans out because someone always swoops in.

They had to use BLM to get that funding by extorted retarded liberals. It doesn't work now that people see what happens when the police are actually defunded.

 

[X Prime]

Right, but I don't exactly see why they can't do a repeat given that they still have a near-absolute stranglehold on NGO shenanigans.

Yeah, the Democrats are officially broke and have no funding. Doesn't matter when NGOs do everything for you.

 

[Gehenna]

Right, but I don't exactly see why they can't do a repeat given that they still have a near-absolute stranglehold on NGO shenanigans.

Yeah, the Democrats are officially broke and have no funding. Doesn't matter when NGOs do everything for you.

The NGOs are a power multiplier. They don't actually do everything for them, they hook on to initiatives set by the uniparty and -magnify- them. If the party is massively schismed, then those NGOs are as well and end up either doing nothing or working against eachother.

I'd add, just because they are breaking apart and even in open civil war doesn't mean magically everything becomes better. Neither does the Republicans trying to find their balls. Together goes a long way to making a foundation where change is possible... but in the end people have to actually DO something. THAT has yet to be seen.