Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

Status
Not open for further replies.
It's shameful that Bongland is now more free than almost anywhere else on the planet. Fucking England of all places. If there was one country in the western world that I thought would go all in on Covid passports it would be there.

We do alright on the big things, we just get a bit silly on the micro issues like clamping down on mean tweets.
The NHS Covid update shows that 97% of the UK population have antibodies for Covid. 30% have caught and recovered from Covid the rest have spike antibodies from the vaccines. Near 100% cover and the virus is still raging away. So maybe they realise they're flogging a dead horse trying to get the remaining 3% of mainly young people who haven't already caught Covid jabbed by making them show their papers to go to the pub? No, that would make too much sense. More likely the big retail and pub chains lobbied against it and the polling wasn't trending well.

There is no lobbying in the UK But I agree, I can see a lot of industry leaders (usually tory voters) nudging BoJo and saying "this will cost us a fortune and make your party look like twatts."
 
  • Informative
Reactions: JosephStalin
It's a fucking flu and they treat it like it's poliorabies tubercusuperlosis that also turns you into a zombie. If I bought all this about the government having our interests in mind (it doesn't) I could see a vaccine mandate being feasible if it's something like polio, where it's got a high fatality rate and survivors are being crippled and it's spreading like crazy, but even back then the polio vaccine had years of testing and regulation applied to it. We knew it had no major side effects and the government wasn't holding peoples' jobs at gunpoint to get it. There was no coercion and people got it on their own.
 
Im sure Chinese Intellegence goons are watching F-22 pilots and mechanics walking off the job very closely. Maybe a certain threshhold may even embolden them to move on Tapei
The Chinese intelligence goons might get a visit from karma who decide to keep flooding China or put Evergrande on bankruptcy if they still didn't learn their lesson...
 
Been searching for more EU protest news. huge thanks to SCSI for archiving videos. No word of French or other protests on the BBC, but French media is now running with stories of the English going back on vaccine passports as the top story, (https://archive.md/wip/GKuLE) with very little coverage of the french protests - one article here claims numbers of protesters are down (https://archive.is/GxnUC) - and coverage of Passe Sanitaire looks to be mainly what you can/can't do (https://archive.md/mLGhK). This local Swiss-Italian rag ran with coverage of the Bern protests (https://archive.md/XgPF1) and acknowledges adverse reactions to vaccines (https://archive.is/wip/5joHd). Other Swiss news had this at the bottom of the page regarding protests (https://archive.is/z9192). Sorry if none of this is interesting but it's so fucking mad to me that half of Europe seems to be having some flavour of anti covid pass/restrictions protest and it's barely making any front pages. BLM protests of under 200 people get top coverage but the thousands of anti vax protesters get page 9. Anyway protests in Greece getting violent - (https://archive.md/kBJcX) video from Thessaloniki where vax is mandatory and 6k healthcare workers have been suspended // Turkey protests as well. (https://archive.is/nTtgN) and Belgium again (https://archive.is/wip/t0Mqp) Next weekend is set to be the 10th weekend of protests in France so that might get headlines. Regarding Sajid going back on vaccine passes above, Westminster voting intention was 35% Labour 33% Conservative on Sept 8-9 before the U-turn (https://archive.is/wip/IKwnK). It's all about elections. Greece video below.
 
There is no lobbying in the UK But I agree, I can see a lot of industry leaders (usually tory voters) nudging BoJo and saying "this will cost us a fortune and make your party look like twatts."
That's literally what lobbying is. People just use is as a shortage for paying people off, but even the name just comes from people who wait in the lobby to talk to politicians.
 
It's a fucking flu and they treat it like it's poliorabies tubercusuperlosis that also turns you into a zombie. If I bought all this about the government having our interests in mind (it doesn't) I could see a vaccine mandate being feasible if it's something like polio, where it's got a high fatality rate and survivors are being crippled and it's spreading like crazy, but even back then the polio vaccine had years of testing and regulation applied to it. We knew it had no major side effects and the government wasn't holding peoples' jobs at gunpoint to get it. There was no coercion and people got it on their own.
Yeah... Talking about polio vax... You might want to rethink that one too:

"In April 12, 1955, following the announcement of the success of the polio vaccine trial, Cutter Laboratories became one of several companies that was recommended to be given a license by the United States government to produce Salk's polio vaccine. In anticipation of the demand for vaccine, the companies had already produced stocks of the vaccine and these were issued once the licenses were signed.

In what became known as the Cutter incident, some lots of the Cutter vaccine—despite passing required safety tests—contained live polio virus in what was supposed to be an inactivated-virus vaccine. Cutter withdrew its vaccine from the market on April 27 after vaccine-associated cases were reported.

The mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus. Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.[2] The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths.[3] The director of the microbiology institute lost his job, as did the equivalent of the assistant secretary for health. Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Oveta Culp Hobby stepped down. Dr William H. Sebrell Jr, the director of the NIH, resigned.[4]"
 
I'd really like a virologist to chime in here.

My concern is that if imprinting does occur through exposure; then is a vaccine still effective post-natural infection? Or is it always stuck with its bias from the original virus?

I.E. As the mRNA vaccine only addresses one area of the virus, therefore would exposure to the natural virus prevent the vaccine from producing good Antibodies because it has been imprinted with the original true virus?

I do not see any links or data to studies on those who have had the virus exposure; and then the vaccine post.
Okay 1), why are you being such a bootlicker where Manmade Antibodies = Good and Natural Antibodies = Bad???
2) Hard to take any argument about immunity seriously when you are only discussing antibodies and not T-cells & B-cells.


This article, a proof-of-concept for a methodology of future pan-Sarbecoronavirus (Genus: Betacoronavirus) vaccine using artificially engineered broad-spectrum antibodies, claims that neither natural immunity nor the vaccines are capable of producing said broad-spectrum antibodies.
HOWEVER, what is shown is that both vaccine and natural immunity cause some level of SARS-1/MERS neutralization, but not perfect unique binding form.
FURTHER, this raises the question of a functional trade-off, wherein people with prior exposure to one Sarbecoronavirus have a faster immune response (i.e. spitting out anti-bodies and putting T-cells on the kill within hours of exposure) at the cost of imperfect binding, whereas people without prior exposure run the chance of receiving a more targeted immune response at the cost of slower uptake of said immune response.
It's a fucking flu and they treat it like it's poliorabies tubercusuperlosis that also turns you into a zombie. If I bought all this about the government having our interests in mind (it doesn't) I could see a vaccine mandate being feasible if it's something like polio, where it's got a high fatality rate and survivors are being crippled and it's spreading like crazy, but even back then the polio vaccine had years of testing and regulation applied to it. We knew it had no major side effects and the government wasn't holding peoples' jobs at gunpoint to get it. There was no coercion and people got it on their own.
Minor nitpick, its closer to a "common cold" than a flu, but your point is the same.

There is a weird talking point going around that "ackachually COVID is deadlier than polio!", despite polio's "long-term effects" (re: damage of a short-term infection) being fucking paralysis and iron lung in children while COVID's "long-term effects" (re: munchies gonna munchie) being "brain fog", "tiredness", "boredom at work", and other symptoms of 2:30 feeling.
Case fatality rates also differ for Polio. I've got some sources saying as high as 15% others saying as low as 0.5%, so its hard to say.

It is funny because a few months back I read a blog by an angry boomer complaining that if COVID affected kids as much then more people would care about it.
 
There is a weird talking point going around that "ackachually COVID is deadlier than polio!", despite polio's "long-term effects" (re: damage of a short-term infection) being fucking paralysis and iron lung in children while COVID's "long-term effects" (re: munchies gonna munchie) being "brain fog", "tiredness", "boredom at work", and other symptoms of 2:30 feeling.
Case fatality rates also differ for Polio. I've got some sources saying as high as 15% others saying as low as 0.5%, so its hard to say.

Nobody knows the long term consequences of the Spike Protein going into your brain or damaging blood vessels.

Lets not dismiss it.
 
Yeah... Talking about polio vax... You might want to rethink that one too:

"In April 12, 1955, following the announcement of the success of the polio vaccine trial, Cutter Laboratories became one of several companies that was recommended to be given a license by the United States government to produce Salk's polio vaccine. In anticipation of the demand for vaccine, the companies had already produced stocks of the vaccine and these were issued once the licenses were signed.

In what became known as the Cutter incident, some lots of the Cutter vaccine—despite passing required safety tests—contained live polio virus in what was supposed to be an inactivated-virus vaccine. Cutter withdrew its vaccine from the market on April 27 after vaccine-associated cases were reported.

The mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus. Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.[2] The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths.[3] The director of the microbiology institute lost his job, as did the equivalent of the assistant secretary for health. Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Oveta Culp Hobby stepped down. Dr William H. Sebrell Jr, the director of the NIH, resigned.[4]"
Don't you wish that people who are responsible for distribution of much more lethal and harmful vaccine (a. k. a COVID vax) would lose their jobs and go to prison?
 
1631482176987.png
 

Attachments

  • 1631479648183.png
    1631479648183.png
    15.4 MB · Views: 185
I'm still confused about how contagious vaccinated people are compared to unvaccinated. Whenever I bring this up with people I'm always told that vaccinated are not contagious anymore, but until recently I swear I kept reading about how the vaccine wasn't really much effective at all in this regard...

Kind of unrelated, but this article talks about the situation with kids in Quebec. Kids under 12 are currently in a wave of various virus infections, COVID being only one of them. Most of the kids who end up in the hospital also are not there because of COVID but because of other infections such as RSV and some adenovirus. (The article doesn't mention it, but a strong wave of non-COVID viruses has been expected ever since the low flu numbers last winter). Despite the current low numbers in children, and the very low risk of COVID complications, they're still expecting for Delta to spread like wildfire in the schools at some point, which is why they're still pushing for the vaccine to be approved for kids, with the usual mantra of "not only to protect themselves, but also the vulnerable groups".
Also, no mention of the study that found kids (males) to be at higher risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than of COVID complications.

https://www.ledevoir.com/societe/63...ague-marquee-par-les-autres-virus-a-l-hopital (https://archive.li/q9MJp)

Whatever happens, it's always spun so that the only conclusion is to vaccinate more.
 
Leaked hospital staff Zoom meeting that will make your blood fucking boil:



View attachment 2529640
Ow, my blood pressure! What an evil old witch!
When that grey haired cunt started talking I got the overwhelming urge to slap the fuck outta her. You know exactly what type of woman she is, an absolute nightmare to her family, friends, and any service workers unfortunate enough to be around her.
GG nurse lady. That took guts.
Edit: Forgot to add, there is a lot of talk of replacing all these US nurses with immigrants. Literally flying in doctors from the Phillipines and shit. I'm good on all that, thank god I don't go to the hospital ever. I don't need some heavy accented, 3rd world educated foreigner lecturing me on vaccines. Sorry.
It's already happening. I'm not going to PL, I'll just saw please pay close attention to your existing healthcare providers and their extended staff.
I will answer in the style of the BBC world reporter I listened to on the way home from work.
1. The vaccines are safe and effective. You have to expect a few hundred million vaccinated people will get infected, it happens with every vaccine. Also Delta
2. Anyone can die of Covid. Every day there are literal children dying of Covid. Are you a monster? Plus the Delta
3. Masks are proven to work. Of course they're not perfect, like the vaccines they reduce spread, but the Delta is more infectious.
4. Ivermectin is a toxic animal medication, The hospitals are overrun with idiots over dosing on this stuff, Horse dewormer cannot cure Covid. Do not take it, get vaccinated instead.

5. The vaccines provide good protection against Covid. The vaccinated are strongly immune but they can also easily catch Covid from the unvaccinated. Maybe because the unvaccinated are cooking deadly variants? Like the Delta.

6. 100% of the world's population need to be jabbed. Yes even then you will still catch Covid. Yes you may even die from Covid. But you will be vaccinated and that's important to keep us all safe, especially with the Delta going around.

I trust that answers all your questions.
I was originially going to list the logical fallacies in order because I see these "answers" so often, but really it's just a mix of the following over and over again: avoiding the issue, begging the claim, appeal to emotions, ad populum arguments, with a sprinkling of more types thrown in for good measure.
logical-fallacies-infographic-icons-vector-most-common-videos-illustrations-141028552.jpg
 
I rembember last year, experts fully admitted that "possible" cases of covid were counted in as covid patients. Dying people ( someone who's been in a traffic accident for example) get swabbed when rolled into the hospital. They succumb and test positive for covid: another covid death in the statistics.
Flu patients also are added to the covid-numbers. Deceitful times we're in.
I know this is an anecdotal PL but still...

Friend of a friend lost a relative to cancer. The fucking hospital put the COD as Covid19 because they tested positive duribg their final days since checking into the hospital but they literally died of complications from cancer. They ended up having to fight the hospital to change the death certificate; not sure if they were successful. This was last summer so you can bet your sweet ass they have kept this shit up Throughout all of this.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back