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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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Getting tard comed
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Amazingly enough when something fails animal trials and you give it to humans anyway the cause of the failure doesn't magically disappear just because you don't acknowledge the problem.
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GoFundMe cancels grieving father’s fundraiser for son who died from vaccine
A Texas man was prohibited from collecting donations after his teenage boy was fatally immunized ag...
We need new poll how long till one pharmaceutical executive gets ripped to shreds by angry mob. This is ticking bomb for riots and civil war across the West.
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1 in 500 is trending on Twitter right now because someone finally rubbed two brain cells together, divided 330 million by 660K, and figured out that "1 in 500 Americans" have died from COVID. This is proof that COVID is scary.
Never mind the fact that nearly 3 million Americans die every year and about 3.3 million are born.
Also ignore the fact that 50% of the Americans that died from COVID were 75+ and 25% were even 85+.
COVID has made it even more apparent that people have no idea how big populations are and how they work. This is how they can get away with saying that 50 tranny murders in the entire country in a year is proof of a genocide or something.
Never mind the fact that nearly 3 million Americans die every year and about 3.3 million are born.
Also ignore the fact that 50% of the Americans that died from COVID were 75+ and 25% were even 85+.
COVID has made it even more apparent that people have no idea how big populations are and how they work. This is how they can get away with saying that 50 tranny murders in the entire country in a year is proof of a genocide or something.
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You gotta have something to compare it to. Like, compare %of trans folk murdered to %of women murdered. I did it once and the numbers were pretty close. Or in this case maybe we compare %of people under/over 50 killed by Covid to %who died of normal causes.
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Hell, the CDC does that for us.
I posted this chart a few pages back, but the CDC lists COVID and pneumonia on the same chart for some reason. Deaths from pneumonia are about 90% of the deaths from COVID at ANY stage in adulthood, and actual higher for children, yet nobody freaks the hell out about pneumonia being deadly.
I guess reading this chart that half of COVID deaths are from people developing pneumonia based on the overlap? That's how it reads, but I've never heard anyone say that.
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comparing covid to pneumonia is like comparing hiv to aids
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Dead meat is a bit of a jump as respiratory viruses need a live host to reproduce.
However, COVID is already confirmed in multiple species of mammals, including bats, deer, mink, dogs, cats, primates, etc. Wiping out COVID via vaccine is already a lost cause, and people are either too egotistical or too stupid to admit it.
That they better get vaxxed, so her husband wont catch COVID when he sniffs their hair.
To be fair, using % of the population killed as a measure of how deadly something is is equally as fallacious as using a raw death count, unless >95% of the population has had it.
If a pathogen kills only 0.001% of the population, then it is still extremely dangerous if it has only affected 0.003% of the population (thats still a 1 in 3 chance of death if you catch it). Meanwhile something may sound scarier if it kills a flat 1.0% of the population, but if it has infected 100% of the population, its not nearly *as* dangerous as the former (because thats a 1 in 100 chance of death if you catch it).
To get an accurate measure of how deadly it is based on % of population killed, you need to also figure out % of population infected.
Modern Bubonic Plague is considered not as scary as COVID for whatever dumb reason, because of "muh medical treatments", but even with treatment you are still looking at a 2-10% chance of death, which is 10-50x more likely of killing you than COVID; but because less cases appear it has a much smaller raw death count and much small % of population affected.
Inland Taipans are widely considered the deadliest snake on Earth, yet IIRC there are only a handful of deaths prior to advent of antivenom (including the first person to catch one).
Meanwhile North American Copperhead is fairly weak for a medically-significant snake, yet has had much more deaths recorded from it simply because thousands of people have been bitten.
One lives in the remote deserts of east-central Australia, the other lives in woods behind the community park and the brushpile behind your fence.
Okay so one there are multiple types of pneumonia, viral, bacterial and in rare cases even fungal. Pneumonia is a condition caused by a pathogen rather than a specific parthenogenic species itself.
Supposedly the argument is that COVID is the cause of all cases of viral pneumonia, and some D00mers & Branch Covidians even go as far as to blame COVID for bacterial and fungal pneumonia as well (especially in India where they were blaming Delta for Black Lung).
This kind of goes hand-in-hand with the claim that COVID has outcompeted all other respiratory diseases, so all the viral pneumonia cases that would have otherwise been attributed to Influenzas, Rhinoviruses, Adenoviruses, etc. are now all COVID circa 2020 & 2021.
Now I don't buy this argument, especially given that there is peer-reviewed studies proving the distantly-related Rhinoviruses (a.k.a. "common colds") actually outcompete COVID in the human body, but this is more or less a primer on what Branch Covidians claim about these discrepancies.
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More like comparing HIV to immodeficiency. Pneumonia is a symptom that can be caused by several different things. However, it would go to figure the category of "covid" with "pneumonia" would be the times that people died of pneumonia caused by covid, and the remainder would be people who died of pneumonia caused by bacteria or other viruses.
Also, not everyone who gets covid gets the pneumonia, apparently not even everyone who died of covid had the pneumonia. Some of those were likely people who were already dying of cancer or decapitation during a car accident and incidentally tested positive for covid as well.
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wtf is every car accident fatality porsche girl now?
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Exactly, it just sounds weird to say that someone died from covid and pnumonia while "pnumonia caused by covid" sounds much better.
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1 in 100 Americans die every year. This is basically hunger games.
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Where are you getting this? I thought the Delta strain is more virulent than any previous one.
Back in June, the UK estimated the R value of the Delta variant to be 1.5, against 0.8 for Alpha:
(https://archive.md/c3rSE)
The CDC is saying Delta is up to twice as much contagious as the previous strains.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html (https://archive.md/PMJb6)
EDIT - Thanks @Escaped Abortion for correcting me and making the distinction between virulence and infectiousness.
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1 in 500 Americans dead from COVID sounds like a small group of people that have died. And somehow this is a deadly virus? Where were these folks when people died from diseases like the flu? Or the common cold?
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That's indeed a huge thing. Most people can't understand numbers above ~20. Mentally they break it down to their usual tribe-sized amount of people and imagine things to be much worse than they are. That gets them in an emotional frency and they listen to reason even less. And how would one argue that "20 kids died to the Coof over more than a year, that's not actually that big of a deal", anyway? It's the truth, but spoken out it sounds callous af when you don't understand numbers.
People are mindless automatons, and I have no hope for society left. It needs to crash while we still have enough easily accessible resources to come back from it.
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Looks like that post fit like a glove the description of Stephen King's rabble in that tweet. https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1437172664821600262
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Well, this is what these people voted for, as per today's election results.
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Infectious, not virulent. Yes, it is far more infectious, but that has nothing to do with virulence. Infectiousness is how easily it spreads, virulence is how severe the resulting illness is, such as how likely you are to get very sick or die from it. It was well below alpha when it first showed up, like just a fraction of the virulence, although it has crept up some.
Usually respiratory viruses become less virulent as they become more infectious. It's just more efficient use of your host.
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