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Muad'Dick · Apr 5, 2025

p1138 said:
Oh, people who can paint offering critique instead of asspat upvotes. I thought you meant people getting shit simply for posting their own well painted stuff.

Nah, there wasn't really much of that. You probably know the MO these groups have; the stuff that looks like shite gets heaped with praise and the stuff thats well painted gets tumbleweed. It was the guys who painted the good stuff that were offering genuine help that ended up getting hounded though.

p1138 · Apr 7, 2025

So the trench crusade booth had no demo tables, no product to sell(just some patches and art prints), no organized events on the schedule, and if there was any open play it wasn't setup in a way to catch anyone's eye.

I had seen pictures of the presentations at the TC booth, a couple of TC cosplay people wandering around(looked more like dollar store imperial guard at a glance but that kinda describes the whole IP really) and it hadn't occurred to me that I had not seen any evidence of anyone actually playing it at Adepticon. There was a bit diorama table setup(no trenches) that was a weird multi level thing with some dead potted plants integrated into it,

and another smaller table with some terrain(again, no trenches) that wasn't a demo table,

a sign that some demos existed in a side-room somewhere but no one seems to have covered that other than a couple of photos before actually doing anything

For all of the hype, like usual it seems there was nothing actually going on. Even x-wing and armada had events, and they don't even sell those games anymore.

Inquisitor_BadAss · Apr 7, 2025

p1138 said:
So the trench crusade booth had no demo tables, no product to sell(just some patches and art prints), no organized events on the schedule, and if there was any open play it wasn't setup in a way to catch anyone's eye.

I had seen pictures of the presentations at the TC booth, a couple of TC cosplay people wandering around(looked more like dollar store imperial guard at a glance but that kinda describes the whole IP really) and it hadn't occurred to me that I had not seen any evidence of anyone actually playing it at Adepticon. There was a bit diorama table setup(no trenches) that was a weird multi level thing with some dead potted plants integrated into it,
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and another smaller table with some terrain(again, no trenches) that wasn't a demo table,
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a sign that some demos existed in a side-room somewhere but no one seems to have covered that other than a couple of photos before actually doing anything
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For all of the hype, like usual it seems there was nothing actually going on. Even x-wing and armada had events, and they don't even sell those games anymore.

Not like this trench sisters! Not like THIS!!! In all seriousness this is such a failure to launch.

p1138 · Apr 7, 2025

Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Not like this trench sisters! Not like THIS!!! In all seriousness this is such a failure to launch.

Absolutely. Having a presence at Adepticon makes sense, having nothing at Adepticon makes no sense. I also don't know when the images were taken of the booth itself, but those stacks of patches look pretty full.

Around the 30 minute mark he gets to the TC booth and you can see the bins for the patches were getting empty so I guess at least those sold. I just don't get why they had nothing to sell, if this were GAMA which is a tradeshow it would make sense. He even goes by the OPR booth in the video at one point, lo and behold they've got product to sell.

Sunflower Samurai · Apr 7, 2025

p1138 said:
Absolutely. Having a presence at Adepticon makes sense, having nothing at Adepticon makes no sense. I also don't know when the images were taken of the booth itself, but those stacks of patches look pretty full.

Around the 30 minute mark he gets to the TC booth and you can see the bins for the patches were getting empty so I guess at least those sold. I just don't get why they had nothing to sell, if this were GAMA which is a tradeshow it would make sense. He even goes by the OPR booth in the video at one point, lo and behold they've got product to sell.

>The fucking cheesy magical girl tabletop game and the 40K ripoff made by a single Portuguese 4channer both had better booths than the 3 million dollar kickstarter darling
Someone should fire the discord trannies that they have for PR retards, but i guess it makes sense why other games have eons more effort done to showcase what they want to sell, id figure most of them havent gotten an easy 3 million for just existing and actually need effort to get people to buy their shit

p1138 · Apr 7, 2025

Sunflower Samurai said:
>The fucking cheesy magical girl tabletop game and the 40K ripoff made by a single Portuguese 4channer both had better booths than the 3 million dollar kickstarter darling
Someone should fire the discord trannies that they have for PR retards, but i guess it makes sense why other games have eons more effort done to showcase what they want to sell, id figure most of them havent gotten an easy 3 million for just existing and actually need effort to get people to buy their shit

Indeed. He's got a Day 2 video as well going over more booths. Pissedoff Pedro may be annoying in many regards, but at least he has some genuine enthusiasm for tabletop games(also having made his own). Visually the TC booth does look nicer, but it's all flash and no substance(like the entire IP) meanwhile you've got smaller companies that didn't get millions for doing next to nothing and people operating the booths that seem to have a genuine interest in what is going on even if they don't have props, just a single table, etc.

I never would have thought some of the best general coverage showing off shit from Adepticon would have come from Furioso Fernando of all people. Damn near everyone else on youtube filmed some b-roll, maybe some footage of them playing a game, and then showed off the freebie bags of promo shit and a handful of things they bought.

HTTP Error 404 · Apr 7, 2025

Sunflower Samurai said:
>The fucking cheesy magical girl tabletop game and the 40K ripoff made by a single Portuguese 4channer

... que? Which two?

Sunflower Samurai · Apr 7, 2025

HTTP Error 404 said:
... que? Which two?

I just realized I would play the shit out of a Kill Team type skirmish game where you were playing like, Power Rangers vs Magical Girls. Throw in "enemy" factions as well (generic mook army, power rangers style one big dude with some chaff, sailor moon style one villain with "effects" you place all over the map as hostile terrain like things...) and you have yourself a solid base. Make the rules agnostic enough and you could even sell official licensed like Sailor Moon or Kamen Rider "Kill Teams" for it.

Starts at 57:45 mark, this pesudo coomer magical girl Wargame and One Page Rules have much more shill worthy booths with actual art and displays of their shit, including some actual products, than TC's large but mainly bland space that just has some terrains and the minis in cases. Although it has some admittedly impressive terrain

Ghostse · Apr 8, 2025

Sunflower Samurai said:
Starts at 57:45 mark, this pesudo coomer magical girl Wargame and One Page Rules have much more shill worthy booths with actual art and displays of their shit, including some actual products, than TC's large but mainly bland space that just has some terrains and the minis in cases. Although it has some admittedly impressive terrain

Magical Girl Marine had some cool shit. not gonna lie, really want those magnetic rebuildable !Gundams except then I remember I'd never ever find anyone to play with.
And I can't even be made about Magic (al Realm) Girl killteam. They are 100% up front with what they're selling. Dude also reviving dead games. Good on him him.

The tired cat · Apr 8, 2025

Im kinda surprised TC didnt have any demos. Looking at some youtube stuff and models, they look very impressive (until you look that you need to 3D print them and then my soul dies), though I also noticed seems people play it via Tabletop simulator more...soo...

p1138 · Apr 8, 2025

Ghostse said:
Magical Girl Marine had some cool shit. not gonna lie, really want those magnetic rebuildable !Gundams except then I remember I'd never ever find anyone to play with.
And I can't even be made about Magic (al Realm) Girl killteam. They are 100% up front with what they're selling. Dude also reviving dead games. Good on him him.

That magnetized robots game is Obsidian Protocol, a chinese kickstarter from 2020 that had all kinds of issues. It's great that they got past all of that and have an actual US distributor now though. Assuming it can pick up some traction might be able to at least get a couple games in. Dude is at least trying.

The tired cat said:
Im kinda surprised TC didnt have any demos. Looking at some youtube stuff and models, they look very impressive (until you look that you need to 3D print them and then my soul dies), though I also noticed seems people play it via Tabletop simulator more...soo...

They allegedly did but I can't find any evidence of them actually getting any play on youtube or whatever. Considering TC is working with a company that produces physical copies of the prints it blows my mind that they didn't at least have a 2 faction starter box with a few dice, a ruler, paper game mat, and paperback copy of the book. You know, the same thing damn near every other company at Adepticon provided for sale?

I've also noticed the same about Tabletop Sim as well. Bunch of people seem to keep making these fixed terrain dioramas out of foam board, but then you hardly hear about anyone actually playing the game. But that kind of fits in with what I've said about their kickstarter amounting to under a half dozen people per game store across the globe(closer to 3-4 at the most)and then figure a significant portion of those are just the trannies and shit who would never go to the LGS because of those evil 40k chuds anyway) so I guess TTS is the only place people can actually find a game. And it's not like there's any real amount of lore for people to get immersed in purely because of that. So with all of the money, and the astroturfing, they managed to fail at Adepticon? And even if you don't want to host a "tournament" because you don't want your game being a competitive game with a tournament scene, host a narrative event? Organize some play times, record results of which factions were playing and who won/lost/whatever, and tell people you'll be using the results of that as part of a future narrative book and have it just tweak the front lines a little bit. People eat that shit up.

Sunflower Samurai · Apr 8, 2025

According to the most recent OPR hangout, OPR itself actually had several demos/events and a full blown mixed tourney of their Sci fi and Fantasy armies. So a random 40k ripoff did more than TC at the biggest wargame covention

p1138 said:
I've also noticed the same about Tabletop Sim as well. Bunch of people seem to keep making these fixed terrain dioramas out of foam board, but then you hardly hear about anyone actually playing the game. But that kind of fits in with what I've said about their kickstarter amounting to under a half dozen people per game store across the globe(closer to 3-4 at the most)and then figure a significant portion of those are just the trannies and shit who would never go to the LGS because of those evil 40k chuds anyway) so I guess TTS is the only place people can actually find a game. And it's not like there's any real amount of lore for people to get immersed in purely because of that. So with all of the money, and the astroturfing, they managed to fail at Adepticon? And even if you don't want to host a "tournament" because you don't want your game being a competitive game with a tournament scene, host a narrative event? Organize some play times, record results of which factions were playing and who won/lost/whatever, and tell people you'll be using the results of that as part of a future narrative book and have it just tweak the front lines a little bit. People eat that shit up.

The minature agnostic and general edgyness of the setting pretty much has people stonewalled if their FLGS doesnt have suitable boxes for conversion or a mix of under 18 clientelle, there is some sense of underlying snark on some places if you use too many GW bits for that too.

One of the big kickstarter stretch goals was a global campaign but the fuckiness with delivery and the STL files seems to have put that on the back burner
TC as a whole doesnt seem to have any sort of marketing teeth which was fine when it wasnt a 3 million darling project.

p1138 · Apr 8, 2025

Sunflower Samurai said:
According to the most recent OPR hangout, OPR itself actually had several demos/events and a full blown mixed tourney of their Sci fi and Fantasy armies. So thats more that a random 40k ripoff did than apparently did more than TC at the biggest wargame covention

Yeah, OPR actually started running some events a couple years ago and it's done well for them. Doing it at Adepticon just makes sense.

Sunflower Samurai said:
The minature agnostic and general edgyness of the setting pretty much has people stonewalled if their FLGS doesnt have suitable boxes for conversion or a mix of under 18 clientelle, there is some sense of underlying snark on some places if you use too many GW bits for that too.

Which is a hilarious repercussion of their idiotic mindset regarding the community they wanted to foster. The OPR people have deals with companies to make miniatures but no one is going to give a shit if you show up to an OPR game with space marines or whatever the fuck. But the idea that TC people don't want shit looking "too GW" is insanity when you consider how much of their basic infantry already just looks like dollar store imperial guard(a lot of which were just ripoffs of various ww1-2 uniforms to begin with). The TC community is its own worst enemy, and they don't seem to realize that and not having anything for retail(even outside of adepticon) means you aren't going to get FLGS owners willing to go in on supporting it for obvious reasons.

Dammit Mandrake! · Apr 8, 2025

I read about a game called War Room today. Any good? Any crazy politics I should know about?

Not buying it yet. That price is nuts. But it looks cool and is on sale.

Ghostse · Apr 8, 2025

Dammit Mandrake! said:
I read about a game called War Room today. Any good? Any crazy politics I should know about?

Not buying it yet. That price is nuts. But it looks cool and is on sale.

Looks pretty standard for yet another autistic WWII simulation.

Purple fur Pomeranian · Apr 9, 2025

Has anyone seen Miniwar Dave's video on Trench Crusade panel at Adepticon yet?

p1138 · Apr 9, 2025

Anti Cyraxx Supporter said:
Has anyone seen Miniwar Dave's video on Trench Crusade panel at Adepticon yet?

No but looking it up just now

He interviews the lead guy there and asks about that Mistake Number 3 slide

"What was the response and the feeling behind that?"
"To this day I haven't quite figured out why some people got so pissed off with us I have no clue, I can't, usually the videos tend to be incomprehensible"
Could it be that your community mods were all degenerate weirdos?
Could it be that people got pissed off being booted simply for existing because "vibes"?
No? It's just a mystery I guess
"And quite often when you get these pieces on the internet and just following this he's very angry and I don't know why or what he's trying to how he would fix this cuz the other this is that you get these people who get very upset they never offer any better alternatives cuz I'm a huge game plan if you can do it better than I can please do it"
Apparently everyone who likes this is just a singular person or something? Maybe a language issue.
Nope, seems he's blaming Arch

Says he can't figure out why the thumbnails are full of LGBTQ flags and that he was asleep when everything blew up and that common wisdom says to not piss people off. Gee, maybe do something about your shitty community moderators then? Take control of the fucking business and act like it's actually your business?

Later on he claims some shit about not wanting to make a war game that's a walled garden hobby for rich people because he saw some poor kid in Finland once who wanted to play a game or something. It's amazing how they've made something simultaneously cheap to try and appeal to everyone on a cost perspective but still managed to fail at basically everything else. There's a lot of other bullshit sprinkled throughout about only wanting to deal with "creative people" ie. not wanting to deal with people who actually understand business I guess? Which would include marketing. Claims they took a "no pandering no slandering" approach, doesn't matter their moderators did all of that for them.

So they've got 6 million now and I guess haven't figured out wtf to do with it based on their Adepticon presence and having no product.

Sunflower Samurai · Apr 9, 2025

p1138 said:
So they've got 6 million now and I guess haven't figured out wtf to do with it based on their Adepticon presence and having no product.

>6 gorillion in marketing and you still have to download "beta" faction rules off a discord post (everything is technically a beta btw)

Lol
Lmao

I think TC's current offerings are also still pretty expensive for what they are, ill make an autistic comparison with its contemporaries both internet only faggotry (OPR) and established shit like Wargames Atlantic or Oathmark. Its an interesting thing to look at whenever people bitch about the cost of wargaming, because its almost always because GW is a giant wanker and people that are desperate for GW like offerings. Not because of a lack of options.

The Bogwater Rises · Apr 9, 2025

Anti Cyraxx Supporter said:
Has anyone seen Miniwar Dave's video on Trench Crusade panel at Adepticon yet?

I have plenty of ideas but I have 3 to help the developer with his game.

1. Have an actual plan for it and how you will supply it.
2. Have someone who understands finances on your team.
3. Have demos for your game at gaming conventions.

Those are my good vibe ideas since he has never seen good advice from anyone who has a negative opinion of his game. Of course this is moot as this is written on the evil KiwiFarms.

Also couldn't finish the video from the BS the main dude is spouting.

Purple fur Pomeranian · Apr 9, 2025

The Bogwater Rises said:
I have plenty of ideas but I have 3 to help the developer with his game.

1. Have an actual plan for it and how you will supply it.
2. Have someone who understands finances on your team.
3. Have demos for your game at gaming conventions.

Those are my good vibe ideas since he has never seen good advice from anyone who has a negative opinion of his game. Of course this is moot as this is written on the evil KiwiFarms.

Also couldn't finish the video from the BS the main dude is spouting.

Miniwar Dave is a shill for shitty corporate.

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