Thoughts about DSP's Psychology - Dr Fred Freud's Office

Interesting to read about your father and sorry he has the condition - it can be worked on if a person acknowledges it. These personality disorders are extremely complex so people can have it but it presents entirely different to others or manifests in very different ways.

RuZZianWarCriminal said:

According to formal diagnostic criteria, DSP lacks only a few traits typical of OCPD: some obstinacy, refusal to delegate tasks, and hoarding. He doesn't have real perfectionism interfering with jobs, hyper-watching out, or a real workaholic drive. His purported stinginess is uncoordinated, especially given his extravagant expenditure on WWE Champions a few hundred thousand dollars something my father would find not just wasteful but bewildering and as severely mentally ill. My father's frugality and prudence with money are far removed from DSP's wanton, indulgent splurging, as that says a lot about a fundamental difference in values and control.

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I think the weird part about DSP is the mix of narcissism and also the fact that gaming is entangled with a gambler's mindset for him. There have definitely been several times he has missed out on holidays and other things as a result of his "work drive" (but can also be explained in other ways. He's also avoided doing stuff like fixing his shower and so much other stuff. There are plenty of workaholics who work total dead-end jobs.

Only a real psychiatrist/psychologist who sees DSP for several months would actually be able to make a diagnosis and OCPD definitely has some overlaps with other conditions and alcoholism and some other things wouldn't make a diagnosis that easy. DSP is just very weird too because he's such a prolific creator and a public individual, there's plenty that I'm sure we don't hear about that is relevant to this kind of conversation.

I think a key thing though is that a person just has to feel productive but they aren't actually necessarily productive. The way I read it (at least from my own perspective) is that the idea isn't necessarily just being a workaholic but that a person truly engulfs themselves in "a/the system" and obsessively works within it to escape anxiety and other things, which for me definitely matches with what we see with DSP. There's been multiple times where he could've explored stepping away years ago but he obviously has some anxiety about leaving "the system" he has.

I'm also pretty sure he must have severe social anxiety/agoraphobia which has worsened a ton over the years.

RuZZianWarCriminal said:

For instance, he tolerates major problems in his environment with scant concern but will become outrageously agitated about minor annoyances like a bad DoorDash delivery. His productivity at work is largely for show, doing little real work in the meantime. DSP's rigidity seems more related to creature comforts and fear of other people's opinions than any obsessive need for perfection.

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This is true but one thing I read about OCPD is that it won't make sense to an outsider sometimes, and the imbalance in life and devotion to productivity doesn't actually always equate to working in ways that make sense. DSP almost absolutely refuses to deviate from his schedule for example and is almost entirely incapable of being spontaneous - he has a habit of planning games, marathons and things like that literally months in advance (which makes no sense at all for a livestreamer, the audience would want to see something take a few days at most to happen). So he essentially lives in a system of "organized chaos" and tolerates (or better yet just refuses to acknowledge/ignores) major problems in his environment but still holds strict belief and adherence in "his system".

RuZZianWarCriminal said:

According to formal diagnostic criteria, DSP lacks only a few traits typical of OCPD: some obstinacy, refusal to delegate tasks, and hoarding.

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DSP is actually known for being an extremely prolific hoarder. He has tons of old shit he refuses to throw away. He has been called a hoarder thousands of times over the past decade or more.
He also technically refuses to delegate tasks because he never hires a video editor or anything like that - there are other explanations for it that he is just lazy/stupid but he can't even delegate himself tasks effectively.
He also almost refuses to play multiplayer even with "friends" he has - that could definitely be paranoia about detractors and narcissism about other people getting attention but it may also be rooted in a sense of perfectionism about how the game "must" be played and other people not listening enough - this latter pattern has always been present, he loses his patience with people who don't follow "his rules".


In summary the diagnosis isn't a surefire thing - only a doctor who actually sees him for a prolonged period of time can make that ascertation but at the very least he has some traits of OCPD and its a useful tool (for lack of a better word) to understand some of what drives him). Because he's super likely to be narcissistic and because of his alcoholism and years of isolation I'm not even sure a doctor would find that much value in diagnosing him with it because he clearly has a fucking feast of problems that are bigger than Jesus' last supper and the OCPD stuff would just be one of the side dishes (most likely)

neger psykolog said:

Interesting to read about your father and sorry he has the condition - it can be worked on if a person acknowledges it. These personality disorders are extremely complex so people can have it but it presents entirely different to others or manifests in very different ways.

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Thank you, most of my life i just thought that its how he is a person but once i found out about OCPD everything started clicking, the problem i think is that the majority of OCPD folks dismiss psychology entirely. They believe the science on which it is founded is a scam to sell people meds and make money, or affective understanding weakness. Any attempt to help is perceived as manipulation or ineptitude. It's ironic, because the disorder lives on control and rationality, but shuns the psychological rationales which could truly explain the behavior. So even when the symptoms are textbook, recognition is seldom granted because recognizing it would mean losing the very control which the disorder was meant to protect.

neger psykolog said:

I think the weird part about DSP is the mix of narcissism and also the fact that gaming is entangled with a gambler's mindset for him. There have definitely been several times he has missed out on holidays and other things as a result of his "work drive" (but can also be explained in other ways. He's also avoided doing stuff like fixing his shower and so much other stuff. There are plenty of workaholics who work total dead-end jobs.

Only a real psychiatrist/psychologist who sees DSP for several months would actually be able to make a diagnosis and OCPD definitely has some overlaps with other conditions and alcoholism and some other things wouldn't make a diagnosis that easy. DSP is just very weird too because he's such a prolific creator and a public individual, there's plenty that I'm sure we don't hear about that is relevant to this kind of conversation.

I think a key thing though is that a person just has to feel productive but they aren't actually necessarily productive. The way I read it (at least from my own perspective) is that the idea isn't necessarily just being a workaholic but that a person truly engulfs themselves in "a/the system" and obsessively works within it to escape anxiety and other things, which for me definitely matches with what we see with DSP. There's been multiple times where he could've explored stepping away years ago but he obviously has some anxiety about leaving "the system" he has.

I'm also pretty sure he must have severe social anxiety/agoraphobia which has worsened a ton over the years.

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gambler mindset laid over narcissistic personality is one of the most poisonous feedback loops we find in DSP. WWE Champions is not just a video game to him it's a symbolic identity manager. It's where he experiences control, mastery, reward, and even self-esteem. But it also mirrors the same distorted dynamic as his content: he puts in money (or effort), and expects validation in return except both are hollow and compulsive. And you’re spot on that he’s missed out on things like holidays or basic self-maintenance, not because he’s a workaholic in the classic sense, but because he’s addicted to the structure itself.

I think that's probably one of the least-worn-about aspects of his larger behavioral paradigm it's not the work he's addicted to, it's the structure he developed to avoid failure. That includes the drab day-in-and-out tedium, the ritualistic stream-starting routines, the performative complaints, the ritualistic anger triggers, even the very specific way he talks to his audience. It's a closed system meant to deny uncertainty, emotional discomfort, and above all introspection. You said it perfectly — he’s not productive, he just needs to feel productive. That distinction makes all the difference.

As for the agoraphobia/social anxiety angle yeah, I’d say it’s worsened massively over time. It’s not just that he doesn’t want to go outside; it’s that the real world doesn’t conform to his delusional architecture, and being out there reminds him of how little control he actually has. In his bubble, he is the "original YouTuber," still on top, still relevant. In the real world? Just another old dude without a chance for upward mobility, and I'm not sure his ego can handle that kind of discord.

And of course, a true diagnosis would take months of clinical observation because he's not playing out according to script. It's not just OCPD, or just narcissism, or just impulse control. It's a personality built entirely of compensation, forged out of years of evasion, growth milestones missed, and the kind of compulsions that calcify into identity rather than symptom.

neger psykolog said:

This is true but one thing I read about OCPD is that it won't make sense to an outsider sometimes, and the imbalance in life and devotion to productivity doesn't actually always equate to working in ways that make sense. DSP almost absolutely refuses to deviate from his schedule for example and is almost entirely incapable of being spontaneous - he has a habit of planning games, marathons and things like that literally months in advance (which makes no sense at all for a livestreamer, the audience would want to see something take a few days at most to happen). So he essentially lives in a system of "organized chaos" and tolerates (or better yet just refuses to acknowledge/ignores) major problems in his environment but still holds strict belief and adherence in "his system".

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That's true, and you're right OCPD does appear irrational or even destructive on the surface, because the motivation is about control of some sort, and not always about useful outcomes but this also depends on the person and the field they are active in. But for DSP, I think the crux of the difference lies in structure versus intent. OCPD stems from an internalized sense of how things "need to be done," often within a perfectionism, moral duty, or dutiful context. In DSP's case, however, the shape doesn't represent any higher principle it represents more emotional insulation.

He is not pre-scheduling marathons months in advance because he's pumping himself for excellence or discipline. He's pre-scheduling them to avoid decision fatigue, maintain control over emotions, and stay engaged with a system that informs him who he is day in and day out. That's why he is able to tolerate dysfunction anywhere else in his life because those things do not directly interfere with "the system." While something trivial such as a botched food delivery or laggy netcode does interfere, because it contradicts the small sphere of control he imagines he still has.

So whereas his behavior appears to be OCPD on the face of things rigid scheduling, intolerance for spontaneity, clinging to routine the inner workings appear to be different. It's not about doing things the "right" way. It's about doing them the only way he can prevent absolute psychological collapse. That's why his "system" is so chaotic beneath the surface, it wasn't constructed to function, it was constructed to protect himself.

neger psykolog said:

DSP is actually known for being an extremely prolific hoarder. He has tons of old shit he refuses to throw away. He has been called a hoarder thousands of times over the past decade or more.
He also technically refuses to delegate tasks because he never hires a video editor or anything like that - there are other explanations for it that he is just lazy/stupid but he can't even delegate himself tasks effectively.
He also almost refuses to play multiplayer even with "friends" he has - that could definitely be paranoia about detractors and narcissism about other people getting attention but it may also be rooted in a sense of perfectionism about how the game "must" be played and other people not listening enough - this latter pattern has always been present, he loses his patience with people who don't follow "his rules".


In summary the diagnosis isn't a surefire thing - only a doctor who actually sees him for a prolonged period of time can make that ascertation but at the very least he has some traits of OCPD and its a useful tool (for lack of a better word) to understand some of what drives him). Because he's super likely to be narcissistic and because of his alcoholism and years of isolation I'm not even sure a doctor would find that much value in diagnosing him with it because he clearly has a fucking feast of problems that are bigger than Jesus' last supper and the OCPD stuff would just be one of the side dishes (most likely)

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When i said that DSP was "lacking" some OCPD traits line was a typo on my end. I meant that he really does have some of these traits: and he's a hoarder. You nailed all of that.

What's so odd about DSP is that combination of obsessive planning, anxiety, and narcissism. It's not a matter of being productive it's about clutching at his "system" as a means of coping with his anxiety. He makes plans months in advance for no logical reason, dodges critical issues in his life, but loses it over minor. That alone says a lot.

In all fairness, the few OCPD traits might just be a small slice of a huge mess. He's clearly got layers of pathology addiction, isolation, paranoia — and the inflexibility is as much about control and fear as it is about standards. A shrink would probably see OCPD behaviors as just one piece on a plate of more basic issues. This all started somewhere in Phils childhood

Also, I have to add, this whole topic is absolutely absolutely intriguing. There's so much depth in how all of these traits overlap narcissism, OCPD, addiction, anxiety. It's wild the way one can act so out in public yet clearly mired so far down in such squalor in their own mind. Thanks for the discussion.

i just think that basically he just sucks. I remember hearing about his website he had made back in the day, where someone said, "hey check this out theres this guy he shit talks people." well, that intrigues me, always interesting to hear people talking shit. But then he said "but he sucks and everybody is shit talking about him everywhere on his site". SO others opinions on people no matter how numerous don't bother me. So i went to look for myself.

I read a little bit about his shit talking, which was on the front page and it basically was, everyone else is jealous of me. blah blah blah. And i concluded, he sucks. I saw the posts, read a few, thought they were funny. Then left. became disinterested.

I may have heard about him being punked out for the $10 bucks that one time. ANd I think I heard the lore about how he got 4th at that convention, and the stuff behind it. like it was a system noone played sf on, phil had been practicing on it, which may have been a smart move, figuring out they were going to advertise that new console by doing this but.. doesnt prove shit about gaming. which is what he uses to shove in everyones face. I didnt pay attention to him digging himself into a hole after that and was aware of but didnt care about his dumb gaming channel.

Doesnt prove what you can do. Making a good guess, kind of gambling, totally anybody could have guessed. winning is gambling. But thats where I think his mentallity comes from. To drudge through that to figure it out is just too boring and shit for me to even try to do.

He was a spoiled rotten shit of a child. babied maybe even. Mom combing his hair for him until he was 17. Trying to direct all of the attention, towards something else, himself. I think that comes from his good guess before. He thinks that all accomplishments are based on that and that anyon elses success they got from his very narrow perception on this, like his shit with Pewdiepie's success, is like this. That's a very weird way to look at pewdiepie tho. He also went with the times and was interesting. DSP has had some interesting stuff, when you get mesmerized and watch for a little bit.

But man, that Switch 2 stream. He even said it himself, he did good at subs when he was unboxing. Sure, becuase he wasn't complaining. As soon as the game started, he insisted it was cheating on him, and he was complaining everytime the shit he was doing wasn't perfect. That's how mariokart is. And a lot of his complaints where about normal stuff that the game does. Like how one kart is faster in top speed than another. Why, if he didnt know how the game worked, didnt he just figure it out? Calling everything cheating and not figuring out anything, when the game doesnt do cheats as far as Ive ever known about mario kart, maybe I just forget but i dont remember them, shows he has no adultness to his gaming.

As soon as the gaming started, his complaining started. then his subs went way down. He got beat by other streamers when it was his field of expertise. He can't even succeed in his own field.

He just wants attention, had one bit of success, now claims some online claim to success on everyone elses online presence. That is just not how it works. So summary, something to do with his fake gambling win and his earlier life and his attitude were everyone shows they hate him and he doesnt get it that gives you what he is today.

One noteworthy thing that DSP is going through right now is likely an intense grieving/sadness/emotional process of understanding cancer and his parents old age/illness. A lot of people have tried to suggest DSP would financially exploit such events but there is no prior proof he would actually do these things nor is there any indication he has ever dealt with a loved one/someone close going through a severe sickness.

That dumb bitch @Pandalee’s Tits (supple) had a very simple and basic panic attack and DSP didn't understand why it was such a cause of drama - she was not dying and was just being emotional/crying and had a panic attack, hence his comment about "next time just give her a pill" (which to be fair to DSP is literally one of the treatment options for people who suffer regular panic attacks).

When someone, especially a mother/father has cancer it is intensely different. People are not certain he went to CT to see his parents and haven't been able to find an obituary for his mother but I don't think they understand that when you have a parent with cancer it can be weeks/months/years before they actually pass away. It is not something pleasant to see.

I personally believe DSP saw his mother Linda in a hospice/hospital hooked up to end of life machines and it has hit him hard emotionally - he has never dealt with something like this before and he has literally no friends to confide in. He's also used to being a control freak of the highest degree and this is something he has no control over.

"detractors" have also been under the retarded impression that when a person has cancer they plaster it all over Facebook, which is definitely not usually the case, especially for the elderly.

DSP has been acting out erratically and more consistently recently and I argue that this behavior of his is rooted in the fact he doesn't k now how to process loss or serious illness - despite what he tells us about him not really liking his parents I am certain that he has strong feelings of love/attachment to his parents that he shows poorly. Therefore his current mental state and the way he is acting seem to likely be linked to the current health scare situation.

I imagine DSP might be hitting the booze and spending erratically more right now and I also think Khet isn't really that valuable in providing emotional support to him.

When the actual death occurs I am not quite sure what we might expect to see - cancer/the loss of parents is a really shitty thing to go through and no matter how many negative feelings I have towards DSP for various reasons, I will not joke about this situation and hope he gets through it somehow.

I think there is also a chance that DSP takes this situation as a wakeup call about his own life and existence since a parent passing away is such a monumental and deep reaching event in someone's life. He has no siblings which means if one of his parents passes away he may feel the urge/need to step up and form a closer relationship with the surviving parent.

Here are some quotes I wrote about this over the past few weeks from the megathread:

neger psykolog said:

I don't think their pages are open for random friend posts and also when people have cancer/old people sickness they often don't tell anyone and people don't post about it on their FB pages if they do know.

(In all seriousness parents and sickness is a cunt. Even though people hate DSP I wouldn't wish this kind of stuff of anyone. I don't want to even joke about it regardless of the nature of this thread and if it so that kind of stuff god speed to his family)

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neger psykolog said:

It's more than likely (I mentioned this a few pages back) that she's hooked up to the machines and shit and it really knocks something out of just about anyone.

It sucks and I would never wish it upon anyone and even if he's going to be a moody bitch for a while because of it I can't really blame him. It's a horrible thing to see.

I don't want to be grim but people can hang on for months at that stage. And it's fairly ordinary for people to come and pay their goodbyes and for the sick person to pass away a few weeks or months later with little warning. A real job generally won't let you take months off to deal with this kind of stuff.

So the entire idea people are talking about that someone passed away with finality is very possibly wrong. But they may be in the very late stages of life.

As per usual for this kind of post: ring your parents and say hi and don't choose names on your faggot goyslop switch 2 console that are making fun of a person dying of cancer - it's not very nice.

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neger psykolog said:

Hasn't his entire behavior, appearance and demeanor been weird since he went on his week long break?

I've seen tons of people doubt this because there is no death certificate but they seem to not be aware that when it comes to cancer/end of life people will often do a last visit like this to someone and it will screw with them mentally a lot. The timeframe for when the sick person actually dies can be weeks, months or even years afterward:
Therefore I don't think we're going to get a typical "social experiment" explanation - everything in recent DSP land has been very bizarre by what most people have said. He's doing strange things for reasons that won't make any sense and I don't think he's going to use the same excuses as before.

Given DSP has already doubled down and called LTG a bitch again in response, maybe DSP is actually changing as a person as a result of the parental health shit and is coming out of his shell a bit and going to start being less of a coward when it comes to confronting urban-style streamers

Besides this we also know for a fact that "Dale" (Black/nigger DSP)'s comments to Phil go beyond "getting under his skin" and actually impact him to the level that he changed his entire wardrobe and did other things. LTG's response on this occasion seems far more brutal than the one he did previously but I can't find a video of it (can anyone here link it?)

edit: the fact DSP is having these outbursts during gin tweet hours is also interesting considering the last gin tweet connection he presumably had was with PPP from KC who he told a whole bunch of personal stuff to - I guess DSP literally has no one to talk to anymore.

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BenAffleckIsOkay said:

I know anyone can say anything on the internet, but Phil and I were Skype buddies once, back before his “King of Hate” shtick. Back then, I saw a kind of late-90s schlubby edge to his charm. In my defense, humor’s subjective, and I’ve always been amused by obnoxious muppets.

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I'll take what you say with a grain of salt, but I appreciate your insight.

BenAffleckIsOkay said:

Sure, there was edgy ranting, but in between controller fumbles he mostly came off as a couch-goof grinning through his own fun.

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I've seen one old fan of his claim that while Phil was never good at games there used to be a time when he seemed like he was genuinely having fun with them and he used to not be so quick to blame his mistakes on the game.

BenAffleckIsOkay said:

Wow. It's... just so much lore at this rate. A library of Ls.

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Nice description. I'll have to remember it.

BenAffleckIsOkay said:

I know anyone can say anything on the internet, but Phil and I were Skype buddies once, back before his “King of Hate” shtick. Back then, I saw a kind of late-90s schlubby edge to his charm. In my defense, humor’s subjective, and I’ve always been amused by obnoxious muppets. Given this site, I assume I’m not alone.

When we first met, I asked him about this new branding, assuming it was some wrestling-style bit. At the time, I knew him best for his Heavy Rain and Alan Wake playthroughs. Sure, there was edgy ranting, but in between controller fumbles he mostly came off as a couch-goof grinning through his own fun. Hardly a king of hate, just a gamer with a lot of breathless commentary and too much time on his hands.

I told him it takes a lot of charisma to play the heel, and I didn’t think he had the bants or the stamina to fight the internet on the daily. In a sea filled with Minecraft gamerbros, he stood out enough. Why risk turning off fans?

He brushed me off. Told me I didn’t get it. It's not a bit at all. “It feeds me,” he said like a total loon, throwing back a weight-loss energy shot. I can’t remember if I tried one, though he said it worked wonders. He had stacks of them, all strawberry flavored. Not my favorite.

In the time I knew him, Phil was gregarious and boyish in private. A strange Peter Pan. But he was also prone to spirals of self-pity, and I offered my friendship where I could. As time went on, I came to push back on his worst tendencies, and we eventually drifted apart, each too stubborn to concede.

Phil cried the last time I saw him. I haven't checked up on his life in over a decade and hoped he was doing alright for himself. Judging by his reputation here, I guess not. Wow. It's... just so much lore at this rate. A library of Ls.

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I must ask. In your private Skype calls, would he periodically snort, like he does in his public-facing videos and streams?

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I must ask. In your private Skype calls, would he periodically snort, like he does in his public-facing videos and streams?

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Not so much in our voice chats that I can recall. It was more of a thing in person. Allergies? Stimming? I can’t say. It wasn't quite throat clearing, but you stop noticing after a while. In all honesty, I had many friends that made "sounds" at the time, so making one more didn't really put me off.

That reminds me: remember the Playstation Eye? The very first time we met through video, it was with the voice/video chat feature on the PS3. He spent the first few minutes checking himself out on the screen, flashing his legs and giggling at his weight loss progress.

I think he was happy then.

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I think a key thing though is that a person just has to feel productive but they aren't actually necessarily productive. The way I read it (at least from my own perspective) is that the idea isn't necessarily just being a workaholic but that a person truly engulfs themselves in "a/the system" and obsessively works within it to escape anxiety and other things, which for me definitely matches with what we see with DSP. There's been multiple times where he could've explored stepping away years ago but he obviously has some anxiety about leaving "the system" he has.

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In relation to my speculation that Phil has OCPD, there is a video in which he states that he basically hears voices in his head that mentally compel him to continue pushing for more and more support from his audience:

"Cool. And the, in the back of my head, it's like, so you're supposed to tell them to hit the goal. Like, no, there's no goal. My, my head is hardwired to always say, Oh, that's good. We're only so-and-so away from a goal. We need to get more. We don't need to get any more. You guys give me almost a thousand dollars today. But my brain has been so fucking hardwired to do that for like years and years. Cause I had to do it. That it's like, it actually bothers me because it's like, you're forgetting something, Phil. No, I'm not. Shut up. Like, shut up. Shut up. You know, head back. There's like a voice in the back of my head. Ask for more. No, I don't have to anymore. I have to like slap that voice. Like, stop. Shut up. I'm good. I'm happy. I'm having a good time today with my audience. I don't have to be a jerk anymore. And keep asking for stuff."

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I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but it seems pretty clear that besides being addicted to WWE Champions that the dollars and dimes that DSP gets from his peculiar existence are a kind of mental game/system which he is beyond being fixated on. He lives and breaths reaching goals and pushing for more and more support - I posit that this is not only to get the money he supposedly needs but is mentally a way for him to fixate and not be anxious (and in a strike of irony his income being low/high causes him mental anguish).

His streams are literally nothing besides him doing pre-stream self-therapy sessions and pushing for more and more support at this point:

People have long discussed Phil's mental state and how everything he says is rooted in extreme delusion and based upon what he has said about feeling a compulsion to ask for more and more support it is quite clear that not only is he extremely mentally unhealthy but that his stream support "system" is something he thinks about 24/7 - he obsesses about it all the time and it soothes his anxiety. That is why he never has anything of interest to say, he is turbo anxious (likely because of his autism) and his brain, like many autistic people, sees the world as a series of systems and patterns and he interacts with those patterns because it calms his mind.

Just saw the 2nd Kino special on DSP. As others have noted, it goes on for too long & is a bit self-indulgent. Once again Andy really nails Phail & his various "mannerisms" (the retarded phoenix is surprisingly quite a talented actor!), but on the whole it's very under-edited & definitely could have used way less gay.

For all its faults however, the film does present us with a possible answer to an intriguing question: what if DSP's narcissism was "perfected"? As alottapeepul have posited, I think Dave (like other lolcows) fits rather well into the category of "covert narcissist". But there are many in the psych field that claim that the covert narc is merely a failed overt narc. Running with that supposition, the film presents us with an alternate timeline where Piggy's narcissism could fully blossom.

Is the film's presentation of "Overt Narc Phil" (ONP) on the money? I think it definitely nails several aspects of what ONP's personality would be like: without the reflexive self-pity, ONP wouldn't feel the need to isolate & use; maybe in those circumstances Phail wouldn't have developed all those self-destructive addictions (alcoholism, hoarding, gamba, gooning) & instead actually have something resembling a normal social life & a successful career.

The scene I found most insightful was when he gave some change to the homeless Lardn'Tard: what if DSP's miserliness is actually simply a function of his crippling self-doubt? It's not unreasonable to think that Phail's greed is driven by his addictions, & furthermore that both of these ultimately rest upon his broken sense of self. Dave knows that he's not good enough; the only way he can cope with that knowledge is by numbing himself with processes/substances.

That self-doubt also prevents him from even trying to earn a living in any robust & meaningful manner; he's compelled to trauma dump & pity-party (at least as much as his false self can tolerate) to get what he needs to fuel his addictions. Looked at from this perspective, Piggy's various excuses about the job market are really just veiled confessions: he's telling us that he's not good enough to get a real job. Ultimately, DSP's a broke boy because he's a broken boy.

What's important to note however is that in the end ONP isn't really any better than DSP; while not self-destructive, ONP would still be a vain, obnoxious douche. As the film shows, he would be patronizing & abusive to ALL EMPLOYEES that worked under him, and whatever progress he achieved in curing heterosexuality, it was all (pen)ultimately done to service his ego. Whether your stuck with DSP or ONP, a narc is a narc.

Phil legitimately believing that detractors want to find him in public and murder him John Lennon style is the best evidence he's mentally ill. Not even the biggest detractors imaginable want to do anything worse then maybe filming him out on one of his days off. That's it. Not even the biggest sperg alogs even consider violence. To make the jump from "Some hacker online looked at my bank records... okay they want me dead" is a mentally ill leap of logic imo. Or he's just a huge massive pussy coward which is also totally valid.

Sicko Hunter said:

Or he's just a huge massive pussy coward which is also totally valid.

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He dropped to his knees and begged for mercy with tears in his eyes when he was confronted with the possibility of getting into a fistfight.

Burl McMillan said:

He dropped to his knees and begged for mercy with tears in his eyes when he was confronted with the possibility of getting into a fistfight.

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True and being a huge coward isn't a mental illness as far as I am aware. Thinking people are coming after you and plotting to murder you is borderline persecution complex but I digress.

Sicko Hunter said:

Phil legitimately believing that detractors want to find him in public and murder him John Lennon style is the best evidence he's mentally ill. Not even the biggest detractors imaginable want to do anything worse then maybe filming him out on one of his days off. That's it. Not even the biggest sperg alogs even consider violence. To make the jump from "Some hacker online looked at my bank records... okay they want me dead" is a mentally ill leap of logic imo. Or he's just a huge massive pussy coward which is also totally valid.

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Reminder that he used to think that EvilAJ making TIHYDPs would culminate with EvilAJ stalking and murdering him which is why the white coats needed to come get him.

From the 'times Phil has made you laugh' thread:

Martys_not_smarty said:

There was a recent time and it....was it the clapback from Jai who said he lived in a middle unit duplex and piggy did some smug faggy chuckle saying he lives in a gourmet, premium, private community and his condo was more than what that person makes in a decade? That made me laugh because he had absolutely nothing to do with property value and all to do with in the past decade the greater Seattle/Tacoma/Renton especially those second two went through some big changes to housing as Seattle became too expensive to live in the outlying areas pushed out their tweakers and squatters to the furthest regions to accommodate the influx of silicon valley techies.

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Phil can't even conceive of detractors being successful, they have to be dead broke and probably living in their mother's basement. Never mind that his fans are mostly deadbeats (Timbo) or even pedophiles (Derich), and while that A-Log promising to go to Japan with a Kat cutout was cringe pulling the trigger on that would add to the list of things trolls can afford but Super Successful Phil somehow cannot.

This kind of dehumanizing goes beyond narcissism, and I'm not sure what the proper term is.

UncleTusky said:

From the 'times Phil has made you laugh' thread:

Phil can't even conceive of detractors being successful, they have to be dead broke and probably living in their mother's basement. Never mind that his fans are mostly deadbeats (Timbo) or even pedophiles (Derich), and while that A-Log promising to go to Japan with a Kat cutout was cringe pulling the trigger on that would add to the list of things trolls can afford but Super Successful Phil somehow cannot.

This kind of dehumanizing goes beyond narcissism, and I'm not sure what the proper term is.

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I think it's just an extension of his overall coping. I go into more detail in this post.

Digger10 said:

Last year there was a stream where Phil accused a chat member of being single and when the chat member clarified that he was married, Phil flipped out and accused him of lying before banning him so that he couldn't contradict him.

I don't know what Phil would say if someone pointed out that there are a lot of internet celebrities who are far more successful than him but when it comes to his detractors, I'm pretty sure that Phil has this ingrained idea that they're all unemployed, single losers who spend all their time obsessing over him. I think the reason he got so stressed is because he really doesn't want to consider the possibility that some of the people who make fun of him do have satisfying lives and they don't spend every waking moment thinking about him.

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Watched this video called Jodi Arias & Pathological Lying, by Andrew van der Vaart. In it he breaks down how lies are used to protect a persons grandiose ego, using Jodi Arias media interviews and court appearances as an example.

I'm not saying Phil is a potential murderer but he does share some similarities with Arias, especially when it comes to people who threaten the alternative reality he lives in.

At one point in an interview she calls the reporter a hater for questioning her lies. It reminded me of Phil calling anyone who doesn't go along with his fabrications a detractor.

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