The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
  • Total voters
    992
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Jimjamflimflam said:
Actually, I believe they worked together before as security for some club. At least I remember hearing that before the great mostly peaceful riots of 2020.
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Nah, I think a white guy was mistaken for the cop or a black guy was mistaken for captain can't-breath. They didn't work together and one of the two races all look alike.
The Last Stand said:
You know who was more worthy of such an extravagant funeral? David Dorn.
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I'm still a little torn up over him. An upstanding old guy like him being done in and no one cares because they're too busy mourning a creep.
 
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Bunny Tracks said:
I remember hearing about this too, and take this with a grain of salt as there seems to be contradicting reports on whether, or not they actually worked directly with each other, and whether, or not Floyd actually worked at the same place in general, but allegedly the club they both worked at was really sketchy, and for a brief while, there was a theory going around that Chauvin killed Floyd because of some shady shit that happened back there.

I don't think it's true, because there's too many contradicting accounts, and not enough tangible evidence, but if it is, it would definitely explain a few things.
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As I recall, the owner confirmed they both worked there and nothing more. The reports that they worked at the same time or had prior beef were from coworkers.
 
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HeyItsHarveyMacClout said:
The problem isn't Floyd's character. I think his personal morality is irrelevant to criminal proceedings. The problem is that the Left has made him out to be a retroactive saint who was killed for being black by a racist police officer, when that simply isn't the case. If you ask a normal person why he was killed, they'll probably tell you "Because racist Chauvin knelt on his neck for 10 minutes". They won't know that Floyd took a lethal dose of drugs, or that he was non-compliant while being apprehended for committing a crime, and physically towered over Chauvin. They have literally idealized him as a saint. I want justice to be done to Chauvin. No more, no less. But I don't think justice will be done unless we accept that Floyd wasn't a saint, and this issue isn't as black and white as we all want to accept.

By the time this trial is done, I want to know - can they prove Floyd died by a blood choke? Was it standard operating procedures for a cop to place a knee on the neck of a suspect for an extended period of time? Was Chauvin likely to know his actions would lead to the death of Floyd? Did he have a duty to stop constraining him even after he stopped moving?

These are the elements of Second and Third Degree murder, and Third Degree Manslaughter. The unfortunate fact is that Floyd is already dead. His rights cannot be infringed any more. We now have to ensure that Chauvin's rights are not infringed, and justice is done, not rule by the mob.
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Standard procedure is to shift from the neck hold to another restraint ASAP as suffocation can and will result, especially with a suspect on their front. You only use the neckhold until you can apply other means. Even if someone is dying, if you take efforts to speed that death along, or doing things that can cause death isn't smart.

You're also not supposed to restrain suspects on the ground face down for a long period for the same reason. It can kill people, and it has killed people - you're supposed to prop them up against something - I doubt Floyd could have gotten his feet under him to try to stand if they'd sat him up , and it's relatively easy to press someone trying to get up like that back to the ground. He picked the worst possible way of restraining him, as a 'shoulder press' can quickly turn into a neck press and cut off circulation or the windpipe, if you're positioning yourself high up on the body.
 
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rbzfan said:
Can you imagine though the societal ramifications of this trial? If Derek walks, our government and every major corporation is going to crack down a million times harder on their pro-Black and anti-White sentiments. Expect millions in dollars of donations to "organizations" and the media completely justifying and endorsing lynchings of other races by Blacks as a form of reparations for this "travesty" of a jury ruling.
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I think you're overreacting a bit.
Besides, you need to remember that corporations say that bullshit despite having boards full of old Caucasian people who literally say that shit for PR so those retards dont burn down their stores stop consooming product
 
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As much as I try to remove my ability to care about any of this bullshit and as much as I kinda wouldn't mind watching the rabid chimps turn on their zookeepers, I remain as ever utterly horrified at what this case actually represents about this country, even absent the racial tension bullshit.

Talk to the people that are invested in this case and following it, I dare you. Talk to them. You will absofuckinglutely lose any shred of hope you had for "the system" or "justice" in this country. No one really seems too concerned with how this case might impact things going forward, everyone is just divided into "lol nigga ded" and "LITERALLY SHOAH" mode, and the concept of a fair trial is a fart in a long forgotten wind. Mention "well, I just hope he can get a fair trial" and you hear "FUCK THAT HANG THAT RACIST NOW FUCK HIM WHAT ARE YOU A WHITE SUPREMACIST FUCK HIM" or something along those lines. "Well, do you really think there can be a fair trial when the evidence has been tossed around by the media for over a year and the entire country is afraid that there will be violent riots again if the verdict doesn't say guilty of 1st degree?" FUCK THAT HANG THAT RACIST NOW FUCK HIM. "Okay but what about the other cop that was actively trying to get Chauvin to back off?" FUCK THAT HANG THAT RACIST NOW FUCK HIM. These rabid fucks have lost any and all regard for the justice system as a system that they themselves may come to count on one day. People are so caught up with wanting the outcome they want from this case that they're quite willing to burn shit down to get it.
 
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Gravityqueen4life said:
he may not directly killed the guy but he did not do himself any favors by kneeing on his neck. his fucked.
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If it's indirect, it's manslaughter (or negligent homicide, depending on state laws). If it's direct, it's murder.
 
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It'd be great if the poll had an options for "not guilty enough (for the mob)" to deal with the very real possibility he's found guilty of lesser offenses but none of the murder charges stick.

Because that's where I think this is going to end up personally.

Edit: thankies.
 
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