The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

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  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
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Jimjamflimflam said:
I'm in a large black demography city for work. I should leave before the trial is over, but figure if I don't make it out in time, it will look like this in my escape.

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I travel to Seattle for work and have advised my contract agency that I will not be in the office the day the verdict is announced and/or will be evacuating immediately.

I don't want to get caught in a protest crowd to suffer the fate of Reginald Denny or have my car vandalized when I am trapped.

Sure, I could have level IV body armor, a ballistic helmet, a battle rifle, tear gas, etc. but I would be lambasted in the media
 
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I assume this has been posted elsewhere, however so people don't have to go look it up.

HENNEPIN COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hen...lic-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
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III. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
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Techpriest said:
Yes they can. That's the whole thing with positional asphyxiation. You don't need bruising as an indication for it - it's not obvious. Same with blood cut off.

It can take time to hit peak - and if he was chewing, he's getting powdered fent all over his mouth. If he's got that level in his blood by ingestion, he's rocking a lot of it in those tablets, we're talking less time than the 15~ minutes or so time to die - like, he should be dead a good five minutes in, or faster.


That's the thing about positional asphyxia - it happens. It's not super common but it happens, especially when an officer is leaning on the back of a suspect. You claimed it was the shoulder, then the neck. Which one is it? Because all three of those can lead into that. Again, read my link you autist, it explains the factors that lead into positional asphyxia, Floyd had all of those factors and then some. The restraint position, the health conditions, the drugs, his weight, all of it.
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Actual Medicinal Chemist. Don't mean to be a power leveling faggot here but no one here is qualified to talk about the drug aspect in a satisfactory way, including myself. There's a mountain of argumentation and studies when it comes to this, and there isn't a single person on the planet whose autistic enough to know it, but social enough to explain it to laymen.

Blood concentration means very little, as fentanyl makes it past the blood brain barrier (becoming opiate) or is metabolized into something else. Debates are currently ongoing as to its actual immediate usefullness, but a single point without any context isn't great. Death can occur via multiple means, several of which can take very long amounts of time, and several of which manifest in the same way.

The addition of other drugs also massively complicates things. Especially other Opiates. Different Opiate receptors have slightly different effects, and if anyone could succinctly explain what they are, let alone how different metabolites of different drugs affect, they would get their dick sucked at every medical convention on the planet.

Let me put it this way. Had Floyd taken a Codeine pill mixed with Fentanyl hours before, a rare issue that only crops up when these two drugs are combined could have killed him. His lungs fill with surfactant. His breathing slows. He sits to rest. Suddenly he's being forced on his chest and he's dead. No one puts two and two together but a few nurses who specialize in dealing with this stuff and maybe an anesthesiologist who reads the journals.

As prestigious as the Kiwis University of Medicine is, I don't think my degree in watching fat people eat chips is going to cut it.
 
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ShortBusDriver said:
The police never should have been at Taylor's house in the first place.

Detective Joshua Jaynes lied and said he confirmed with a postal service inspector that their suspect was receiving mail at Taylor's address

In fact Detective Joshua Jaynes had asked Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly to confirm with the post master who in turn came back and said the suspect wasn't getting mail at that address.

Detective Joshua Jaynes was fired for lying on his warrant application.

www.wdrb.com

Internal investigation: Louisville police told no 'suspicious' packages sent to Breonna Taylor's home

At least four LMPD officers were told there was no 'package history' at Taylor's Springfield Drive apartment, according to investigators.
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There is no legal right under law to open fire on a cop who knocks on your door and identifies themselves as a police officer.
However, police officers subjected to deadly force are permitted to answer in kind.
The reason for the cops knocking on the door is completely irrelevant.
 
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Based solely on the voir dire and what little I’ve read about day 1, I’m already predicting a not guilty on most, if not all of the intent counts, which I think is almost all of them, right?
 
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MelloYello said:
Here, you're just flat out wrong.
Do your research. Opioids, even intravenous, take some time to reach peak plasma concentration and respiratory depression.
Rapid onset does not equal rapid peak effect.
For instance, morphine iv reaches peak effect after 30 minutes, about an hour when it's ingested.

It is very possible to ingest a massive overdose and not drop dead within minutes, much less instantaneous.
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Correct. Even the most powerful of drugs don't cause death within less than a few minutes of exposure. They may have perceptible effect within seconds, but that's just the start of the hill climb. It's why overdoses are so common, across all types of self-dosed and administered drugs. The user pushes for peak effect at initial onset, and ends up with a toxic or deadly amount of drug in their system.
 
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i was watching the live stream with friends and i couldn't help but slowly reference francis e dec's "to all judges" every passing minute. it was the most bizarre trial i've ever seen.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
There is no legal right under law to open fire on a cop who knocks on your door and identifies themselves as a police officer.
However, police officers subjected to deadly force are permitted to answer in kind.
The reason for the cops knocking on the door is completely irrelevant.
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From my understand they took him at the word that he didn't know it was the cops. Which is why he wasn't charged for shooting the cop. It is possible both sides were legally valid in their actions.
 
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DamnWolves! said:
Any statements about not being able to breathe are verifiably retarded; the cops were absolutely right when they said "if you can talk, you can breathe".
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Point blank... no. If you genuinely believe this, every other opinion you have is questionable at best.
I could relate detailed case studies (accident investigations) by OSHA, but I'm not going to power level over a stupid argument so I'll say this:

If you have air in your lungs, you can speak with that air. There are more muscles available in the body to hold air in your lungs than there are to inhale. Only your diaphragm can inflate your lungs. Unless you're a true retard with zero situational awareness and complete lack of bodily autonomy, you will be able to identify yourself in a situation where you will not be able to breathe.

On the OSHA note: individuals that are crushed to death by falling into machinery or by having objects fall on them will appear to consciously cry out when in fact they are already dead or are a literal fraction of a second from being dead. The rapid expulsion of air forces stimulation of the vocal cords.
 
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HeyItsHarveyMacClout said:
There are two types of chokes. Blood chokes, and air chokes. Blood chokes are significantly more dangerous than air chokes. Air chokes can take minutes to knock you out, where as blood chokes take seconds. Think about it this way, you can hold your breath for multiple minutes without passing out, but if you took a knife to your neck and cut the major arteries, you'd be dead in seconds. Place a hand on your throat. Notice how that kind of hurts? Now place your knuckles (like you're lightly punching yourself), in the middle of your neck, between your throat and your ear. Notice how much more that hurts? The first is an air choke and isn't particularly deadly, the second is a blood choke.

I think they're trying to use this to say that Floyd was killed by him cutting off blood circulation to the brain? They may be able to prove negligence if they're able to prove Chauvin had experience with Material Arts, and that he should've know that the location on the neck he was pressing on would cause a blood choke instead of an air choke.

As an aside, the woman was a casual employee at a nearby Gas Station, and she looks like absolute garbage. This is a man who punches people for fun, and he's well articulate and a collected person. I respect this man infinitely more than I respect that white trash who gave testimony before him.
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Absence of scleral petechiae rules out any form of neck compression, champ.
 
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