The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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I don't know why you'd think a group of people who spent the entirety of the last 9 months burning, looting, murdering and raping would obey those laws, but hopefully you're right.
I honestly feel bad for the jurors in this, someone has to fill the role of this position and no matter what they come to a conclusion of they will be hunt down by angry retards no matter what or very least won't be able to live their peaceful quiet lives much longer.
 
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Two things that were said today:

First, the last witness said that Chauvin was kneeling on him in a way that would cut circulation but not air supply, and like I said upthread, the prosecution can't both lean on the circulation theory and the positional asphyxiation theory at the same time. The prosecution needs one unimpeachable narrative about what happened.

For the non-Americans, the defense can throw out whatever bullshit they think will stick and that's actually encouraged. The prosecution has to prove guilt but all the defense has to do is create reasonable doubt. Maybe Floyd OD'd, maybe his heart gave out, maybe it was the other officer leaning on his chest. If the jury is left thinking that any of these could have happened, then they have to vote not guilty. The fact that the prosecution is already handwaving about what the cause of death is seems like an own goal.

Second, in the defense's opening statement, they said that they will present as evidence several chewed pills from the back of the squad car. I don't know what kind of time is needed for chewed fentanyl and meth to hit the bloodstream and kill a person, but it was certainly under 15 minutes between the time he chewed the pills and the time he was dead.
That'd probably have killed him far, far faster - not as fast as a straight up injection but skin contact with Fent on that level is known to kill, and kill quickly. Prosecution is probably hoping the defense will slip a little bit, probing them to see which of the defenses they're going to lean into more. It's a hard bargain. Positional Asphyxiation also happens even when airflow to the lungs isn't obstructed - if the position he was placing pressure onto cut off bloodflow enough, it could kill him.


Read over the autopsy report, they mention nothing like what you're suggesting and they had access to the physical body. This hold is used daily by the IDF and many police forces with no complaints of anything like positional asphyxiation, are you suggesting that Floyd is the only case of this happening?
...Bruh. It's a known cause of death in police custody. Essentially while the exterior may appear completely undamaged, what's happening inside matters. Even if they're not bruised, if the head is far back or far forward enough, it can constrict the airway enough to cause someone to choke. If the lungs can't inflate fully due to pressure on the back, it can cause someone to asphyxiate. If blood cannot reach the brain, or fresh blood can't get out of the lungs it can cause someone to asphyxiate. It's also not the first case of this kind of death happening in Minneapolis. There was one in 2013, with a very similar sort of situation, though the officers were never brought to trial and the family settled with the city.
 
...Bruh. It's a known cause of death in police custody. Essentially while the exterior may appear completely undamaged, what's happening inside matters. Even if they're not bruised, if the head is far back or far forward enough, it can constrict the airway enough to cause someone to choke. If the lungs can't inflate fully due to pressure on the back, it can cause someone to asphyxiate. If blood cannot reach the brain, or fresh blood can't get out of the lungs it can cause someone to asphyxiate. It's also not the first case of this kind of death happening in Minneapolis. There was one in 2013, with a very similar sort of situation, though the officers were never brought to trial and the family settled with the city.
I knew this guy back in the day who had the cops coming to his house over a domestic because he was fighting with his bitch over the Child's Play movies - He got ready to fight the cops but accidentally he zapped his own balls with a taser and he had a heart attack and died.

Same liability level for both cases, really. One nigga slipped walking around in circles in the bathroom buttnaked being stupid. The other too stupid to put his head in the right direction or breath correctly after doing a fuck ton of drugs. And if you think this comparison is wrong or stupid, I suggest you get a real PHD in street niggardy moves, bozo.

What is the over/under on mistrial due to retards tarding?
Doubtful. Everyone is going to wait on this with bated breath until the final is called.
 
I am not going to be in town when the verdict is announced. I got a homie up in Two Harbors and I'm staying with him for like a month after the trial ends.

I live in downtown Minneapolis in a building that has many windows and is highly flammable, so fuck staying here for that shit.
I'd say don't plan on going back. Your building is likely going to be a smoldering mess and/or the city will be too crime ridden to reasonably live in.
 
That'd probably have killed him far, far faster - not as fast as a straight up injection but skin contact with Fent on that level is known to kill, and kill quickly. Prosecution is probably hoping the defense will slip a little bit, probing them to see which of the defenses they're going to lean into more. It's a hard bargain. Positional Asphyxiation also happens even when airflow to the lungs isn't obstructed - if the position he was placing pressure onto cut off bloodflow enough, it could kill him.



...Bruh. It's a known cause of death in police custody. Essentially while the exterior may appear completely undamaged, what's happening inside matters. Even if they're not bruised, if the head is far back or far forward enough, it can constrict the airway enough to cause someone to choke. If the lungs can't inflate fully due to pressure on the back, it can cause someone to asphyxiate. If blood cannot reach the brain, or fresh blood can't get out of the lungs it can cause someone to asphyxiate. It's also not the first case of this kind of death happening in Minneapolis. There was one in 2013, with a very similar sort of situation, though the officers were never brought to trial and the family settled with the city.
Fentanyl is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine. And the way it works in your system prevents your body from responding to low levels of oxygen in your blood, or high levels of carbon dioxide. That's what makes this so funny. The way he died literally lines up with how fentanyl will kill you.
 
Bruh. It's a known cause of death in police custody
Again, you're engaging in conjecture, in absence of evidence. "This cause of death exists" is not much of an argument.

Case in point:
The problem with that is asphyxiation can be caused by an overdose - you just stop breathing. But if he'd taken enough to do that, theoretically, he should have been dead way before Chauvin even checked his pulse.
Here, you're just flat out wrong.
Do your research. Opioids, even intravenous, take some time to reach peak plasma concentration and respiratory depression.
Rapid onset does not equal rapid peak effect.
For instance, morphine iv reaches peak effect after 30 minutes, about an hour when it's ingested.

It is very possible to ingest a massive overdose and not drop dead within minutes, much less instantaneous.
 
The thing is that the defense also shot themselves slightly in the foot with the pill argument
I always thought it was strange that the prosecution gets to explore as many avenues of attack as they want, but the defense has to stick to one main defense.
It's really a matter of if you think that Floyd OD'd to the point he'd just flat out have died anyway
I found this study, which says the mean blood concentrations of people who killed themselves accidentally with fentanyl was 26 ng/ml, which is a little more than double that of Floyd (11.2), but people who died "naturally" while on fentanyl had a mean concentration of 11.8 ng/ml. This other study looked at a bunch of different cases and the results vary wildly, with fatalities anywhere from 2-120 ng/ml. Again, reasonable doubt is supposed to belong to the defendant; in combination with the methamphetamine, I could easily see that combination being the proximate causative factor in his death. The defense says that there's no bruising or other indications of asphyxiations in the state-sponsored autopsy; can the prosecution contradict this without having to rely on "look at muh 9 minutes! I caaaaan BREAAAVE!"?
if the overdose was potentially survivable, in which case Chauvin's actions can potentially have reduced the chances of Floyd living to none, which is manslaughter at best, negligent/reckless homicide at worst.
Murder was always a railroad of a charge IMO. The question might be "if Floyd was unconscious because of drugs, did Chauvin's actions while he was unconscious kill him?". Any statements about not being able to breathe are verifiably retarded; the cops were absolutely right when they said "if you can talk, you can breathe". There's also the question of excited delirium, which is a real thing and something the cops said they were concerned about before Floyd even stopped moving. How can all of this evidence possibly meet the reasonable doubt standard?

Better question: I want to know how many darkies will die in the riots when they let this guy off.
 
Breonna Taylor is that way for me, ultimately the blame lies on three people:

The detective who lied to obtain the warrant
The culture that allows these keystone cops to LARP as Seal team six over dime bags of drugs
The Judges who rubber stamp this nonsense
Yeah, it’s everyone’s fault except for the nigger who shot and wounded a cop through a closed door after the police had knocked and identified themselves. There’s a galactic-brain take for you.
May I request that full access of stickers be reinstated for this historical moment? There will be lots of speculation, coverage and downright insanity about to happen since last year from all this.
I agree. We’re already seeing ‘he a good boy, dem poliss juss be raciss’ drooling smoothbrains emerging on this thread, and I’d dearly like to rebut with a kawaii trash can or jaunty top hat.
 
So, even though this guy chewed (which hits faster and harder) more than the lethal dose of fentanyl, we're going with positional asphyxia on a pose used every day worldwide by military and police without incident, other than a handful of freak cases, which likely involved chest compression.
Let's also ignore that chest compression isn't a factor here, because the weight from the officers were on his legs, hips, left arm, and neck.

Occam's razor, what the fuck is that?
 
So, even though this guy chewed (which hits faster and harder) more than the lethal dose of fentanyl, we're going with positional asphyxia on a pose used every day worldwide by military and police without incident, other than a handful of freak cases, which likely involved chest compression.
Let's also ignore that chest compression isn't a factor here, because the weight from the officers were on his legs, hips, left arm, and neck.

Occam's razor, what the fuck is that?
Congratulations, you figured out the prosecution.


What is the over/under on mistrial due to retards tarding?
Under?


I'm basically in the same boat. Time for me to move anywhere but here. I was like 2 blocks outside of the destruction zone last time and this next chimpout will be galaxy sized.
Is there anything keeping you staying?
 
Yeah, it’s everyone’s fault except for the nigger who shot and wounded a cop through a closed door after the police had knocked and identified themselves. There’s a galactic-brain take for you.
The police never should have been at Taylor's house in the first place.

Detective Joshua Jaynes lied and said he confirmed with a postal service inspector that their suspect was receiving mail at Taylor's address

In fact Detective Joshua Jaynes had asked Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly to confirm with the post master who in turn came back and said the suspect wasn't getting mail at that address.

Detective Joshua Jaynes was fired for lying on his warrant application.

 
I always thought it was strange that the prosecution gets to explore as many avenues of attack as they want, but the defense has to stick to one main defense.

I found this study, which says the mean blood concentrations of people who killed themselves accidentally with fentanyl was 26 ng/ml, which is a little more than double that of Floyd (11.2), but people who died "naturally" while on fentanyl had a mean concentration of 11.8 ng/ml. This other study looked at a bunch of different cases and the results vary wildly, with fatalities anywhere from 2-120 ng/ml. Again, reasonable doubt is supposed to belong to the defendant; in combination with the methamphetamine, I could easily see that combination being the proximate causative factor in his death. The defense says that there's no bruising or other indications of asphyxiations in the state-sponsored autopsy; can the prosecution contradict this without having to rely on "look at muh 9 minutes! I caaaaan BREAAAVE!"?
Yes they can. That's the whole thing with positional asphyxiation. You don't need bruising as an indication for it - it's not obvious. Same with blood cut off.
Here, you're just flat out wrong.
Do your research. Opioids, even intravenous, take some time to reach peak plasma concentration and respiratory depression.
Rapid onset does not equal rapid peak effect.
For instance, morphine iv reaches peak effect after 30 minutes, about an hour when it's ingested.

It is very possible to ingest a massive overdose and not drop dead within minutes, much less instantaneous.
It can take time to hit peak - and if he was chewing, he's getting powdered fent all over his mouth. If he's got that level in his blood by ingestion, he's rocking a lot of it in those tablets, we're talking less time than the 15~ minutes or so time to die - like, he should be dead a good five minutes in, or faster.

So, even though this guy chewed (which hits faster and harder) more than the lethal dose of fentanyl, we're going with positional asphyxia on a pose used every day worldwide by military and police without incident, other than a handful of freak cases, which likely involved chest compression.
Let's also ignore that chest compression isn't a factor here, because the weight from the officers were on his legs, hips, left arm, and neck.

Occam's razor, what the fuck is that?
That's the thing about positional asphyxia - it happens. It's not super common but it happens, especially when an officer is leaning on the back of a suspect. You claimed it was the shoulder, then the neck. Which one is it? Because all three of those can lead into that. Again, read my link you autist, it explains the factors that lead into positional asphyxia, Floyd had all of those factors and then some. The restraint position, the health conditions, the drugs, his weight, all of it.
 
I had no idea kiwi farms had so many users who are forensic pathologists.
It's really nice to see them all coming out of the woodwork like this. Feels like a Ralph thread where all the lawyers tell us he's fucking done for, definitely for real this time, or a DSP thread where the experts assure us that this time, it really is the end, or the Vic threads where we're just one appeal away from exiting gamergate 2.0 victorious.
 
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