The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[DamnWolves!]

Floyd took pills he didn't know the contents of, and that's what killed him and Chauvin isn't responsible or contributed in any way towards his death.

I don't see how this fact can be admitted and still have any reasonable person find the charges meet the standard of reasonable doubt. On the balance of probabilities, maybe, but not reasonable doubt.

Then again, juries are retarded (cf. OJ Simpson) and you know there's at least one ideological crusader on that jury.

 

[Techpriest]

I don't see how this fact can be admitted and still have any reasonable person find the charges meet the standard of reasonable doubt. On the balance of probabilities, maybe, but not reasonable doubt.

Then again, juries are retarded (cf. OJ Simpson) and you know there's at least one ideological crusader on that jury.

That's the defenses take on it. You should hear the arguments attempted in Gacy's defense, the opening statement in that trial and the memoir of that lawyer is frankly amazing. Victim blaming is a common tactic for the defense when they're essentially low on arguments. That or going off on a complete tangent to try and distract the jury. See the Casey Anthony trial.

The thing is that the defense also shot themselves slightly in the foot with the pill argument, as they said that Floyd took what he thought was an opiate, shaped like an opiate, marked as an opiate, but wasn't an opiate. It's really a matter of if you think that Floyd OD'd to the point he'd just flat out have died anyway, in which case Chauvin's actions while dumb weren't fatal, or if the overdose was potentially survivable, in which case Chauvin's actions can potentially have reduced the chances of Floyd living to none, which is manslaughter at best, negligent/reckless homicide at worst.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Here's an article from 2019 in Police Magazine about positional asphyxia. I'll quote a pretty solid highlight, as what they're in is NOT the recovery position there.

Choice quote from your post:

Common risk factors of death from positional asphyxia include but are not limited to excessive alcohol intoxication, drug use, obesity, and medical conditions such as an enlarged heart. An individual with an enlarged heart can have a greater susceptibility to a cardiac arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) when under conditions of stress and when there are low levels of oxygen in the blood stream.

Anywhere I can find some decent summaries of day 1? I don't have time or the patience to watch the whole thing.

The prosecution's opening statement was boring, expected, and too long.

The defense's opening statement was 24 minutes and really interesting.

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The first witness was a 911 dispatcher who handled the call. This was used to walk everyone through the timeline.

The second witness was a woman who worked at the gas station across the street. She didn't want to be there and wasn't a good witness.

The third witness was a black dude who just wandered into Cup Foods on a beer run. He's got experience with MMA and other martial arts, and he seemed pretty credible. He educated everyone on the difference between an "air hold" and a "blood hold" and he was saying that Chauvin had put Floyd into a "blood hold." They only got through part of the prosecution's questioning before the feed cut out and the judge decided to call it a day, so we're going to start with him tomorrow morning.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Switzerland and Italy seem like good options as long as they aren't shitholes and don't have no-go zones.

At this fucken point they might as well make it an American holiday or a 3 day weekend

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

The sexual partners I've choked at their request

Anecdotal, but charming!

 

[Eggg]

How long is this trial meant to go on? I know nothing about the law.

 

[Techpriest]

How long is this trial meant to go on? I know nothing about the law.

This will probably take around 4 weeks, which for a murder trial isn't too unusual. Both sides are going to want to bring in experts, there's breaks so the jury can convene and take notes and ask questions, then there's their final deliberations, which can take a few days if they're evaluating multiple charges.

 

[Crunchy Oats]

Where have you been? they already are like 80% there.

Well, the first part already happened. The second part is not far off.

fuck

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

I get negrated because A&H is full of /pol/fags who hate everyone but themselves.

>Comes in and says a bunch of retarded or wrong shit
>Is disagreed with

"This is /pol/'s fault"

 

[Elaine Benes]

Stupid nigger, call me a faggot right now! I'LL FUCKING BLOW UP YOUR LOCAL SUPERMARKET AND WATCH YOUR FAT ASS STARVE IN MINECRAFT.

FTFY

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

#FreeDerek2k2k1

 

[vulg]

That's the defenses take on it. You should hear the arguments attempted in Gacy's defense, the opening statement in that trial and the memoir of that lawyer is frankly amazing. Victim blaming is a common tactic for the defense when they're essentially low on arguments. That or going off on a complete tangent to try and distract the jury. See the Casey Anthony trial.

The thing is that the defense also shot themselves slightly in the foot with the pill argument, as they said that Floyd took what he thought was an opiate, shaped like an opiate, marked as an opiate, but wasn't an opiate. It's really a matter of if you think that Floyd OD'd to the point he'd just flat out have died anyway, in which case Chauvin's actions while dumb weren't fatal, or if the overdose was potentially survivable, in which case Chauvin's actions can potentially have reduced the chances of Floyd living to none, which is manslaughter at best, negligent/reckless homicide at worst.

there really is no plausible doubt in this case, so approaching it from that angle from either side will fail (not considering that the jury is likely clinically retarded).

When there's video footage of you kneeling on a man moments before death you're either responsible for his death or you're not. If drug abuse made him more likely to die his kneeling made him even more likely to die.

Approaching drug abuse as the cause of his death is a complete shot in the foot because although it may not mean Chauvin murdered him he played a significant role in his death

 

[StraightShooter2]

My initial thought is that he might get convicted of manslaughter rather than murder, but we'll have to see.

 

[No Face]

my prediction is that it will either be a hung jury, or conviction on 3rd. 2nd is a no go

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Is it too late to suggest a vote option be "REEEEEEEEEE!" ?

 

[Techpriest]

there really is no plausible doubt in this case, so approaching it from that angle from either side will fail (not considering that the jury is likely clinically retarded).

When there's video footage of you kneeling on a man moments before death you're either responsible for his death or your not. If drug abuse made him more likely to die his kneeling made him even more likely to die.

Also a completely valid take on this.

The point being, the Defense really really, REALLY has a tricky time here, but so does the prosecution, because both are going to be working on circumstantial evidence and 'what ifs' and 'what abouts'. Death from opiod overdose is often that of asphyxiation. Death from Positional asphyxiation is also asphyxiation. One of the big arguments the defense has is 'there's no bruising around the windpipe' as against aspyxiation, which if the Prosecution is smart, they're going to go hard on with the positional asphyxiation argument. If the defense is smart, they're going to try their hardest to push the drug overdose as a reasonable doubt.

 

[Seminal Ointments Lain]

Why are they treating George Floyd's transformation like it's a crime? I never understood that. There is nothing wrong with death. There is nothing wrong with death. There is nothing wrong with death.

Derek Chauvin helped him achain to new flesh. First, George Floyd experienced the relevation that money is fake. Then, his drugs betrayed him. All substances are an essential placebo. Biological placebos are simply stronger and more treacherous. When he could no longer live here, Derek Chauvin his others served as his emissaries.

Don't be afraid to cum.

 

[Vulva Gape]

Hope this fucker gets locked up for life.

I don't know how anyone can see him getting acquitted after the prosecution came out and said today that he refused to let EMTs check his pulse when they arrived at the scene after kneeling on him for several minutes. If not murder, definitely manslaughter and criminal negligence.

There were also two independent autopsies done that showed Floyd died of asphyxiation, not an overdose. Funny how people are ignoring that.

 

[Chewing Character]

I think even if Chauvin goes to prison, the prison Nazis will just hail him as a hero. Hell, he may be safer inside of prison with their protection than outside of it.

 

[Techpriest]

Hope this fucker gets locked up for life.

I don't know how anyone can see him getting acquitted after the prosecution came out and said today that he refused to let EMTs check his pulse when they arrived at the scene after kneeling on him for several minutes. If not murder, definitely manslaughter and criminal negligence.

There were also two independent autopsies done that showed Floyd died of asphyxiation, not an overdose. Funny how people are ignoring that.

The problem with that is asphyxiation can be caused by an overdose - you just stop breathing. But if he'd taken enough to do that, theoretically, he should have been dead way before Chauvin even checked his pulse. Chauvin was certainly negligent here, it's hard to argue otherwise, but the defense is going to try and argue he was following his training, which was negligent, or something, so it's really not his fault.

Really, pulse section is kind of the icing on the cake for negligence. No wonder the city settled. Even if it isn't murder or manslaughter, the cops were negligent as fuck.