03/05 - Trouble in paradise - In which our protagonist begins to suspect Toren might not be all that.

Anightinchristine said:
Vikki seems afraid to alienate herself from ADF's social circle by breaking up with him, hence the "I liquify their genitalz, I'm so edgy!!!" posts. It's okay, dude. Think about what you'd be getting in return for leaving such a toxic circle. Don't try to save face, just cut and run. Their allegiance to you is primal at best, they care only enough about you as they do what you can do for them and their crusade, whether that be gaining them social capital via your status as a disabled transperson or proving us dastardly kiwis wrong. I know we aren't supposed to address cows personally, but seriously, it is time to ditch out before you lose even more time, money, and emotional resources.
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Nah, if Toren left that circle, he'd be fucked. He relies on them far more than they rely on him - he just piggybacks off them until they get sick of his shit, then he moves on to the next mark. He's an ugly, flabby, middle-aged, immature, alcoholic, histrionic troon, so it's only among similar fuckups that he could live that lifestyle without winding up on the street within a day.

Country Matters said:
What I want to know is when they break up (and I'm sure it's gonna be a 'when' at this point), is one or both of them going to paint the other as an abuser?

That could cause a huge rift in the circles, especially if it's both.

Sure, Phil's got friends, but a lot of the circle he has now just barely tolerate him, if Toren accused him of abuse, that could be their ticket out. The 'social embargo' would get even worse for Phil

If Phil tries to paint Toren as the abuser, it could be bad for Toren as everyone knows Phil's a tard, so abusing an exceptional individual would look really bad

But it might be split - and if that happens, would we see people argue?

Then again, this is all :autism: ramblings because even if/when they break up it could be dramatic but no accusations would come of it
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I reckon it would cause a certain amount of troon drama, then everyone would forget about it and continue as before. None of these people actually give a shit about anyone else unless it benefits them.
 
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But how do they compare to the actually good troon couple of Jordessica? I wonder if it bothers Phil to know how happy and sexual and romantic their true and honest relationship is compared to his?
 
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Wait.
If Toren is in L.A., who's running the Tranny Suicide Hotline?

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Anightinchristine said:
Vikki seems afraid to alienate herself from ADF's social circle by breaking up with him, hence the "I liquify their genitalz, I'm so edgy!!!" posts. It's okay, dude. Think about what you'd be getting in return for leaving such a toxic circle.
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He IS the toxicity in the circle. You're telling a bed bug to quit hanging out in beds and sucking blood out of people.
 
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Country Matters said:
What I want to know is when they break up (and I'm sure it's gonna be a 'when' at this point), is one or both of them going to paint the other as an abuser?

That could cause a huge rift in the circles, especially if it's both.
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For sure. Neither of them seem able to part with people on good terms.

Not so sure about huge rifts, though. Accusations of abuse from both sides seem pretty common in troon circles and it doesn't seem to have much lasting impact on any of them - possibly because everyone involved is usually an awful person and it's safe to assume that both parties are lying.

Toren will just find a new circle, though. That's more difficult for Phil.
 
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MasterDisaster said:
Toren seems like the kind of person that bails without so much as a goodbye. They'd set something up beforehand with a ride, get Phil to leave long enough for him to run through the place and grab anything worth a dime and poof! fucking gone.
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Well, one of the poofs is gone.
Darndirty said:
Trans "Ethics"
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The people who shout the loudest about ethics are always the shittiest people. See also: L. Ron Hubbard.
 
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Gook Choy said:
lol deferred = pay twice as much next month or Bruno is repoing the fucker.
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I'm sure Toren was planning on deferring the payment all along and the "car payment - help" tweet was just a ruse to get a bit of vodka money before the "problem" was solved.

Of course because he's going to have a double car payment next month, he won't be able to help Phil with the household expenses in April. You've almost got to laugh at how easily he pulls this shit off.
 
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Gook Choy said:
lol deferred = pay twice as much next month or Bruno is repoing the fucker.
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Not necessarily. On first car I ever bought, the finance company would send letters about twice a year offering to let me skip my car payment for that month. I never did it because it didn't change the total amount owed, just shifted the payment schedule one month later letting them get another month of interest out of the deal. But if I'd been hard up for cash for some reason it would have at least been a temporary help.

I don't know how common stuff like that is or if it's something shadier companies do, but knowing Toren @repentance is right and they already had this lined up and were hoping to score some extra booze money now and aren't worried about the future.
 
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Taily Puff said:
Not necessarily. On first car I ever bought, the finance company would send letters about twice a year offering to let me skip my car payment for that month. I never did it because it didn't change the total amount owed, just shifted the payment schedule one month later letting them get another month of interest out of the deal. But if I'd been hard up for cash for some reason it would have at least been a temporary help.

I don't know how common stuff like that is or if it's something shadier companies do, but knowing Toren @repentance is right and they already had this lined up and were hoping to score some extra booze money now and aren't worried about the future.
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Both of them are absolute shit at money. While companies do offer that sort of thing, both of you are probably right about scamming for booze. But watch, it's going to be UBER CRISIS MODE next month because they don't plan ahead for anything in life.
 
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