11/13 Paris Terror Attacks

At least 18 are dead after a series of explosions and shootings. There have been at least 4 separate, but coordinated incidents.

CNN live stream:
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

CNN also just announced that there are also 60 hostages being held in a theater.

Update: More than 128 dead. We got a new rating. Basically, everything went fucky.

 

[Justlurkin]

I have 2 takes on this:
2) Some immigrant who blames France for war in Syria (half true) decided to blow (har har) his savings on fertilizer bombs just to kill few people out of spite. France will shift blame on ISIS just on case.

Yeah because immigrants totally have the means to get AK 47 and tons of ammo in a gun free country without a huge terrorist network...

Like what the fuck you all ? Did any of you guys follow anything happening in the middle east or ISIS before this? Why are so many people afraid of the fact that they ARE responsible for this? Is that troll shielding because you think France will go on a witch hunt against Muslims? Most know the differences, but we already know ISIS are soulless monster, this wouldn't be a new blow from them.

 

[Lalala]

So I was watching the Sky news coverage of this and they reported that one of the bombers had a Syrian passport on his person...can someone tell me where to get these middle eastern passports cos they are always found after a tragedy like this and apparently the fuckers are indestructible. Pisses me off how before helping the poor people in need most people will just jump onto who to blame and retaliate against first. Thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families.

 

[Nikolai Drozdov]

So I was watching the Sky news coverage of this and they reported that one of the bombers had a Syrian passport on his person...can someone tell me where to get these middle eastern passports cos they are always found after a tragedy like this and apparently the fuckers are indestructible. Pisses me off how before helping the poor people in need most people will just jump onto who to blame and retaliate against first. Thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families.

I'd say it's in the interest of ISIS to make sure that people see who did it. They want to create tension between europeans and the muslim part of the population to feed their own ideology of a war between cultures and get more people on their side. That might be a reason to take a passport with you on a terroristic act like yesterday.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Yeah because immigrants totally have the means to get AK 47 and tons of ammo in a gun free country without a huge terrorist network...

Like what the fuck you all ? Did any of you guys follow anything happening in the middle east or ISIS before this? Why are so many people afraid of the fact that they ARE responsible for this? Is that troll shielding because you think France will go on a witch hunt against Muslims? Most know the differences, but we already know ISIS are soulless monster, this wouldn't be a new blow from them.

But see, that's the thing. No one knew that this was going to happen. No one had any clue. For all we know, this could have been much worse than what actually happened. People have the right to be scared because of it. Seeing as, up to this point, most of these terrorist attacks were largely on their soil (with a few, like the Hebido slaughter being in other countries).

So I was watching the Sky news coverage of this and they reported that one of the bombers had a Syrian passport on his person...can someone tell me where to get these middle eastern passports cos they are always found after a tragedy like this and apparently the fuckers are indestructible. Pisses me off how before helping the poor people in need most people will just jump onto who to blame and retaliate against first. Thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families.

I'm still shocked the Syrian government still issues passports, given the serious nature of ISIS. You'd think they'd just stop doing so in risk of giving one to a member of that organization.

 

[Lysistrata]

But see, that's the thing. No one knew that this was going to happen. No one had any clue. For all we know, this could have been much worse than what actually happened. People have the right to be scared because of it. Seeing as, up to this point, most of these terrorist attacks were largely on their soil (with a few, like the Hebido slaughter being in other countries).

That and the sheer scale of it. Most of the time, terrorist attacks struggle to make a death toll of about 20. With that in mind, the fact that 150 people were brazenly slaughtered in the capital of France is fucking horrifying.

 

[BT 075]

I'm going to flat out say it: I fucking hate Islam. Loathe it. It's a shit awful thing and any idiot bleating, "Oh, it's a wonderful peaceful religion, absolutely! Pay no attention to the bits in the Koran about the murder and the paedophilia and the rape and the slavery and the viscous slaughter of infidels and the torture of any man who refuses to sign up and the equating women with animals and the etc and so forth! Muhammed was absolutely a nice person, and not a schizophrenic murderous cult leader!"

There's literally not a single shocking thing that is written in the Quran that does not also appear in the Old Testament. For people to start hating Islam as a whole, and look at all Muslims as if they're about to blow up any minute, is EXACTLY what the terrorists want. They want to disrupt society, and fanning the flames of extremism on both sides does exactly that.

It's one thing to loathe and wish for the destruction of terrorism in all of its many forms, but the religion is not the source; it's a tool. A tool used by ruthless preachers to brainwash vulnerable Islamic youth into throwing their lives away in Syria or in mindless attack such as this in the West. The type of people that do this aren't exactly Islam's best and brightest and in no way represent the religion as a whole.

 

[Nut-Roaster the 2nd]

Jesus... I just found out about this this morning.
My prayers go to the survivors of this massacre in Paris.

 

[Justlurkin]

But see, that's the thing. No one knew that this was going to happen. No one had any clue. For all we know, this could have been much worse than what actually happened. People have the right to be scared because of it. Seeing as, up to this point, most of these terrorist attacks were largely on their soil (with a few, like the Hebido slaughter being in other countries).

Except we knew. Three days ago, they arrested a 25 years old in Toulon (Where I live mind you), he was planning to attack the Toulon Military port, and has been in contact with ISIS for several month, they arrested him now after he received a combat knife and grenades.
We also knew ISIS had multiple plans ever since Charlie hebdo. The thing is with their social medias they somehow managed to convince over a thousand frenchs (and not all of them muslims) to leave to Syria and fight the jihad there. And the thing is we don't know how many sleeper agents they may have still in the country, such as the koulibali brothers who again were in contact with ISIS for months before the attack and were furnished and coordonated by them.

There's literally not a single shocking thing that is written in the Quran that does not also appear in the Old Testament. For people to start hating Islam as a whole, and look at all Muslims as if they're about to blow up any minute, is EXACTLY what the terrorists want. They want to disrupt society, and fanning the flames of extremism on both sides does exactly that.

The biggest problem of Islam right now is its lack of "head" or organisation. Literally any imam could preach whatever he wants and there's nobody who could really step and say "this is not the way" like the pope and question its dogma. Hell if anything if there's a head of organisation it'd be in Saudi Arabia and those guys are FAR from the friendliest.

 

[Stud2Stud]

These murderers disgust me. I really have no idea what they think they accomplished here.

That being said, it's probably not ISIS specifically, though all these terrorists groups fall into the same scum of the earth category for me. 8 suspects are now dead according to LA times, and I'm not broken up about it at all.

And the worst part is that there really is no good outcome in the end.

I just wish they had taken them all alive. I don't want this scum to be celebrated as martyrs.
People like them deserve to be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives in the deepest and darkest dungeons the french bother to reopen.
Fortunately, western society has progressed to a point where feelings such as mine carry no weight in court... least we end up on the same level as these inhuman barbarians, should we get one of these people alive.

 

[Lysistrata]

I just wish they had taken them all alive. I don't want this scum to be celebrated as martyrs.
People like them deserve to be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives in the deepest and darkest dungeons the french bother to reopen.
Fortunately, western society has progressed to a point where feelings such as mine carry no weight in court... least we end up on the same level as these inhuman barbarians, should we get one of these people alive.

I think out of the 8 that were killed, 7 died in suicide bombings. So obviously capture was out of the question.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Damn. What a thing to wake up to.

My condolences go to the families of the victims.

 

[AN/ALR56]

The fact Brazil has a sizeable Muslim minority that is growing strongly and we already have some jihadist network here to use as a safe house for planning of attacks scares the fuck out of me.
I hope the federal police is already monitoring this.
We are going to have a Olympics next year,so we are a large target for them.

 

[Stud2Stud]

There's literally not a single shocking thing that is written in the Quran that does not also appear in the Old Testament. For people to start hating Islam as a whole, and look at all Muslims as if they're about to blow up any minute, is EXACTLY what the terrorists want. They want to disrupt society, and fanning the flames of extremism on both sides does exactly that.

It's one thing to loathe and wish for the destruction of terrorism in all of its many forms, but the religion is not the source; it's a tool. A tool used by ruthless preachers to brainwash vulnerable Islamic youth into throwing their lives away in Syria or in mindless attack such as this in the West. The type of people that do this aren't exactly Islam's best and brightest.

Don't get me wrong, but afaik, the Quran has nothing like the "New Testament" which has a strong message of pacifism and overrules pretty much anything said in the Old Testament.
Of course, there's always a difference between what an imam might preach and what's written in the Quran, so it rather depends on what certain people want to achieve rather than some silly book, but there's no question as to one major problem of islam:
Islam never underwent any kind of widspread movement such as humanism.

Forgot her name, but there's a german author (a former muslim) and one of her biggest complaints about modern islam is that even the moderate, western islam doesn't distance itself sufficiently from attacks such as those against Charlie Hebdo. Basically, her point is that most of the time, you'll hear voices going "But this has nothing to do with the true Islam!" rather than addressing the backgrounds why some people throw themselves willingly into the arms of fundamentalist nutjobs - or why these nutjobs are able to thrive within muslim communities in the first place.

Be that as it may, the violence we saw in France is the work of a tiny minority that is out to drive a wedge between muslims and non-muslims. I, for one, refuse to give them what they want. The terrorists are shitheads, but the overwhelming majority of muslims just want to live peaceful lifes.

The biggest problem of Islam right now is its lack of "head" or organisation. Literally any imam could preach whatever he wants and there's nobody who could really step and say "this is not the way" like the pope and question its dogma. Hell if anything if there's a head of organisation it'd be in Saudi Arabia and those guys are FAR from the friendliest.

Might be mistaken, but isn't there some group of "leading scholars" or something? You know, the people that put together the modern Sharia?

 

[kuniqs]

on't get me wrong, but afaik, the Quran has nothing like the "New Testament" which has a strong message of pacifism and overrules pretty much anything said in the Old Testament.

Hmm.. ask a Southern Baptist where did Jesus voiced his approval for guns and private property and things might get ugly

 

[Tragi-Chan]

The reality is that, when it comes down to it, the motivation for these attacks is not religion. You can point to the Quran and say "Aha! Look! This passage says it's okay to kill the infidel," or "No! This specifically condemns murder!" But it doesn't matter. People will interpret these texts however they want. They feel that they're in the right, all they'll see is supporting evidence.

The reality is that what motivates attacks like this is disaffected people whose lives aren't what they want them to be. They find a group they fit into that says, "Welcome, friend, we're very much like you and what we've realised is that everything will somehow become better if you kill the following people." Marinate the new recruits in crazy, give them a purpose in life and then shove them in the direction of The Enemy. If they didn't fall into Islamic extremism, it would be some other hopeless cause.

What gets me is the sheer fucking insanity of it. What's the end game? Do they honestly think people are going to say, "Well, these nutjobs killed a hundred innocent civilians, they must be the good guys! Sign me up!"

 

[*Asterisk*]

The reality is that, when it comes down to it, the motivation for these attacks is not religion. You can point to the Quran and say "Aha! Look! This passage says it's okay to kill the infidel," or "No! This specifically condemns murder!" But it doesn't matter. People will interpret these texts however they want. They feel that they're in the right, all they'll see is supporting evidence.

The Qu'ran is a very violent book, and the Hadith is even more so. Unlike Jesus, Muhammad was known and documented to wage war, take sex slaves, take regular slaves, launch pogroms, execute adulterers and fornicators and homosexuals, take women as young as nine to bed, and he founded an aggressively expansionist empire.

Plus, in the biggest difference between the other Abrahamic religions and Islam, the prophets Islam are supposed to be incapable of setting a bad example. Noah was an alcoholic in the Torah, and David was an adulterer. St. Paul was a brutal persecutor and executioner of Christians before he saw the light. None of these things are glossed over or justified, and you're supposed to learn from these men's failures as well as their triumphs. In Islam, and the World's most powerful branches at this point in particular, the prophets are basically supposed to be perfect and emulated in every way.

 

[GS 281]

Unlike Jesus, Muhammad was known and documented to wage war, take sex slaves, take regular slaves, launch pogroms, execute adulterers and fornicators and homosexuals, take women as young as nine to bed, and he founded an aggressively expansionist empire.

He sounds like a Colonist. Many of those things are values we were founded upon.

 

[kuniqs]

So.. when do they start deploying Chryssalids?

 

[Stud2Stud]

The reality is that, when it comes down to it, the motivation for these attacks is not religion. You can point to the Quran and say "Aha! Look! This passage says it's okay to kill the infidel," or "No! This specifically condemns murder!" But it doesn't matter. People will interpret these texts however they want. They feel that they're in the right, all they'll see is supporting evidence.

The reality is that what motivates attacks like this is disaffected people whose lives aren't what they want them to be. They find a group they fit into that says, "Welcome, friend, we're very much like you and what we've realised is that everything will somehow become better if you kill the following people." Marinate the new recruits in crazy, give them a purpose in life and then shove them in the direction of The Enemy. If they didn't fall into Islamic extremism, it would be some other hopeless cause.

What gets me is the sheer fucking insanity of it. What's the end game? Do they honestly think people are going to say, "Well, these nutjobs killed a hundred innocent civilians, they must be the good guys! Sign me up!"

The problem at hand is that islam isn't secular like christianity, so even if the motivation is based on politics, it's still an issue involving the religion, even if it's just used as a tool.
It's vengeance for french involvement in the syrian war that sparked this attack, but it's not completely disconnected from a barbaric philosophy which at least claims to be based on fundamental islam.
What I'm trying to say, when someone blows himself and a few dozen people up after yelling "Allahu Ackbar", it's hard to ignore the religious aspects.

yesterday's massacre just proves how utterly incompetent Hollande and his team of wuss really are.

While I agree with what you said before that, this part I can't agree to. Dunno if Hollande is incompetent or a wuss, I'd rather say it shows how useless the attempts of politicians to exchange freedom/civil rights for safety are.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Will this be a wake up call for Europe?
Or the pc crowd is going to bury it on "not all Muslims are evil" bullshit and we forget about this next week until there is another attack?
They condemned eastern Europe for barring entrance to refugees,I'm not seeing any major attacks there.
They should allow only women and children to enter,males should be rounded up and investigated before being cleared to enter,sounds harsh,but I don't see any other way to end this.