2018-10-28 Chargeback Twitlonger

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neural said:
What are the assumptions?
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That it is automatically the real deal!

neural said:
If Phil lost the chargeback claim, he would have bitched about it all day on Twitter and we would have had at least 3 prestreams chimping out about it, you and I both know this. The fact that he isn't means that either:

1) He lost, but is trying to put a brave face on, which Tut can easily prove by putting up a screenshot somewhere.

2) He won, which I'm leaning towards. Because Phil is far too relaxed about things for someone who's supposedly out 1,200 dollars.
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What have Tut actully posted about this more than a few short stupid statments about getting his money back?
Phil have several times before tried to prove that he absolutely right about things with various vague claims such as this, e.g. all his taxes when he showed a folder with some papers in them that was impossible to verifie, Phil is not known for telling the truth and to twist it as soon as he feels that he needs it, i dont know any claim where he himself have come forth with concrete evidence that he is telling the truth.

When ever he post any proof it is never definite proof, it is just small hinting that it might!
 
Dragoonism said:
That it is automatically the real deal!


What have Tut actully posted about this more than a few short stupid statments about getting his money back?
Phil have several times before tried to prove that he absolutely right about things with various vague claims such as this, e.g. all his taxes when he showed a folder with some papers in them that was impossible to verifie, Phil is not known for telling the truth and to twist it as soon as he feels that he needs it, i dont know any claim where he himself have come forth with concrete evidence that he is telling the truth.

When ever he post any proof it is never definite proof, it is just small hinting that it might!
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Because Tut is claiming he won, and he didn't even post anything. I will take Phil's word until Tut proves he actually won. He actually went 1st and gloated about it with absolutely zero proof.

And the hooker saga proves that Phil can seem shifty to ppl even if he was ultimately in the right. He just has those autistic mannerisms.

It is amazing that we found a retard who made DSP look like a normal person.
 
The Shape said:
I think both Tut and Phil are moronic cunts. And I wish there was a outcome where both of them fucking fail. Shower of cunts.
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Tbh, this kinda is a fail for both of them. Tut is out at least the $3900 spent on cheers and subs and probably out the ~$1200 he tipped as well. DSP, on the other hand, while he keeps this money, is now going to have a harder time claiming he's in the poor house, because the money was doled in very highly visible splashes.

Edit: The main reason I think Phil actually won is that he's choosing to have this victory dance over the $1200 rather than use the "missing" money to try and get more money from his idiot whales. If he had lost even some of the chargebacks, he'd be losing his shit. Think about when that one person got $300-400 in tips successfully charged back b/c of CC fraud--Phil went on about that for a couple of days.
 
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What gets me is that tweet calling Tut some sort of habitual liar. I haven't really paid close attention to Tut and what he says, it really strikes me as another one of Phils "BELIEVE ME NOT HIM HES A BIG FAT LIAR". Seems like pure projection and really wants his retarded fans to believe him over Tut. Also gaslighting him to be LOSING HIS MIND, like he normally does by calling everyone that makes fun of him by calling them mentally-ill.

I would really like to see those three emails that he claims Tut has sent him for Phil to say that he's lost his mind. Oh well.
 
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Tbh, this kinda is a fail for both of them. Tut is out at least the $3900 spent on cheers and subs and probably out the ~$1200 he tipped as well. DSP, on the other hand, while he keeps this money, is now going to have a harder time claiming he's in the poor house, because the money was doled in very highly visible splashes.

Edit: The main reason I think Phil actually won is that he's choosing to have this victory dance over the $1200 rather than use the "missing" money to try and get more money from his idiot whales. If he had lost even some of the chargebacks, he'd be losing his shit. Think about when that one person got $300-400 in tips successfully charged back b/c of CC fraud--Phil went on about that for a couple of days.
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It depends on Tut's goals and how much he cares about his money.

If he wanted to see Dave whine and rant like a crazy person, mission accomplished.

Plus I think Dave might be wary about random whales that amble in now, which could be VERY entertaining for a very long time.
 
neural said:
I will take Phil's word until Tut proves he actually won.
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I'll take Phil's word in this case because he stands to lose a lot more by fucking over PayPal than Tut does.

If he refuses to pay back the money to PayPal he will not only lose his account permanently but will have his credit rating get fucked even more. Keep in mind, a PayPal ban means no more tips on DSP streams.

Purely based upon that, and unless he's pulling some Bronsgeest-tier multi decade scam and has been completely lying about his level of debt then he either won the case or has enough cash to throw PayPal's way to make them fuck off.
 
To be fair, Phil may have only gotten the $1200 back. Tut was referring to subs... so who knows. It’s like pull over a car with two idiots wearing clothing contaminated from a scene of a crime and trying to distinguish which is TRULY lying about the other. One guy is wearing the gloves and mask that a witness saw one criminal wearing, the other is wearing boots that left footprints all over the scene of the crime. Now they’re both rushing to fall onto their own sword.
 
thebonesauce said:
To be fair, Phil may have only gotten the $1200 back. Tut was referring to subs... so who knows.
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That's seems far more likely. Twitch uses Amazon's payment gateway I believe, and I doubt Amazon ever rings up people on their marketplace weeks later and asks for money back because they allowed a chargeback.

PayPal seems more like they'd Jew DSP out for situation like this.
 
DSP IS A FUKIN IDIOT!

If he was clever, he would say he lost the money (even if he did not). Tut already said he got the money, so we would believe. It would gave a big boost to his betacock fans to open their parents wallets when the next begaton comes.
 
neural said:
I will take Phil's word until Tut proves he actually won.
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I won't take Phil's word for anything. I just know the recipient usually wins these things. If you're the sender and you pull a stunt like this, you deserve what you get.

If there actually is a situation where Tut got his money back but they let it slide and Phil kept his while the company swallowed it, Tut is probably on a shitlist and likely to get kicked off whatever payment processor got hosed and maybe blacklisted in the future.
 
AnOminous said:
I won't take Phil's word for anything. I just know the recipient usually wins these things. If you're the sender and you pull a stunt like this, you deserve what you get.

If there actually is a situation where Tut got his money back but they let it slide and Phil kept his while the company swallowed it, Tut is probably on a shitlist and likely to get kicked off whatever payment processor got hosed and maybe blacklisted in the future.
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Yeah this is more a function of Tut being a retarded person than Phil being a truthful person.
 
AnOminous said:
I won't take Phil's word for anything. I just know the recipient usually wins these things. If you're the sender and you pull a stunt like this, you deserve what you get.

If there actually is a situation where Tut got his money back but they let it slide and Phil kept his while the company swallowed it, Tut is probably on a shitlist and likely to get kicked off whatever payment processor got hosed and maybe blacklisted in the future.
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That probably explains exactly why he claims his Twitch account got "frozen" (or at least him giving hundreds of subs out)
 
Well, if Phil had lost the Paypal dispute, it would have been devastating for him. Not only would he be out $1200, but he'd have to pay back the $1200 to Paypal. This would shut off any tips and Phil would lose a major source of revenue. This would be extremely devastating at a time when his revenue streams are slowly going down. Although, right now he's stabilizing in his views.

The real loser, by my guess assuming that both Tut and Phil are telling the truth, is Visa. But a 1200 dollar loss is a drop in the bucket for them, so I'm not going to cry much for them.
 
neural said:
I don't see this posted here. Phil has seemingly won the great charge back battle of 2018. Now it's up to Tut to put up his evidence or shut the fuck up.

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Overall, this is yet another reminder that the detractor community is responsible for the majority of the autism and exceptionalism in the DSPverse today.

Tutjust managed to make Phil, a full-blown love, appear like the normal and sane person in all this.
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i dont think tut was a detractor
 
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Think about when that one person got $300-400 in tips successfully charged back b/c of CC fraud--Phil went on about that for a couple of days.
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BTW, how did we become convinced the person behind this wasn't also Tut? I remember it happening shortly after Tut first appeared, it being assumed to be Tut when it happened, and people backing off from that assumption for some reason (possibly just Tut saying it wasn't him). I've been wondering this whole time about if it was possible Tut was doing all of his antics with stolen credit cards.
 
HeadbuttEnthusiast said:
BTW, how did we become convinced the person behind this wasn't also Tut? I remember it happening shortly after Tut first appeared, it being assumed to be Tut when it happened, and people backing off from that assumption for some reason (possibly just Tut saying it wasn't him). I've been wondering this whole time about if it was possible Tut was doing all of his antics with stolen credit cards.
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I actually suspect he used prepaid cards
 
HeadbuttEnthusiast said:
BTW, how did we become convinced the person behind this wasn't also Tut? I remember it happening shortly after Tut first appeared, it being assumed to be Tut when it happened, and people backing off from that assumption for some reason (possibly just Tut saying it wasn't him).
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At the time of the August 28 charge-back tutankhamunnn hadn't yet moved past dumping Bits. Phil was given a Paypal donation in advance to play a Street Fighter V character (which he never did). Phil only attributed the donation to tut, despite being warned that he hadn't appeared in chat all day. After the stream, that donation was charged back (and rightly so). Phil lamented the potential loss of his tut treasure on Twitter. Soon after, tut claimed his innocence:

[2018-08-28 18:10:49 UTC] tutankhamunnn: I want to clarify the situation I never tip phil a single dollar only used bits TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard TriHard

We do only have tut's word. In this particular instance, even if it was tutankhamunnn, I think who ever did it was justified, as Phil took that money for granted without fulfilling his end of the deal.
 
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