2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[IamnottheNSA]

>Chief Censor's Office
jesus christ how horrifying.jpg

 

[Doctor Jizzmopper]

NYT:
Police officials say it took 36 minutes from when they received the first call about a shooting at a mosque to when the suspect was taken in custody.

“That is an incredibly fast response time,” said John Price, commander of the district police. “You have a mobile offender across a large metropolitan city, and I am very happy with the response of our staff.”

lol, 36 minutes a guy is shooting innocents = "an incredibly fast response time"

Going, going, gone!
Now I dialed 911 a long time ago
Don't you see how late they're reacting
They only come and they come when they wanna

Public Enemy - 911 is a Joke (1990)

From 'Fear of a Black Planet'. Support the artist, buy their work.

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[Cheetahman]

Send the IPs of the obvious journo socks

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Hey, NZ police, here's my real IP: 144.240.14.88
Do your worst. I dare you.

 

[Marvin]

I could have sword I had heard of researchers spoofing IPs in a BitTorrent swarm to prove they aren't reliable... making it look like a law enforcement agency was in the swarm or something. I can't find it now.

Every IP packet has a source address field. You can put whatever you want into that field. However, when you set it afloat on the internet, every intervening device has the option to critically examine it.

So if your ISP sees you sending out a bunch of packets that don't match your actual source, they could just drop them.

And even if it gets through, the receiving device can't respond to you. Because they would send a reply to your bogus address and obviously the real owner of the address would just not respond to random mis-addressed packets.

IPv4 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Most protocols require some kind of back and forth for anything significant to happen. HTTP(S) is one of those.

Not sure what bittorrent stuff uses. Possibly UDP, which doesn't require back and forth, so it's possible to spoof. But everything on a web forum uses https.

 

[SuicidalStar]

Hi Josh

Appreciate your quick response.

Will definitely consider what you have said.

Regards

John

You can taste that salt

 

[Rhysuu]

Love you Null, you're the kind of hero the internet needs.

 

[BillyGoat2]

Time to cave and send you some sheckles Mr Moon.

 

[Fish-Eyed Fool]

Chief Censor of NZ. That's David Shanks I believe.

https://www.classificationoffice.govt.nz/blog/chief-censor-censorship-where-to-now/

 

[drain]

All IPs are owned by someone. The "someone" is often an ISP. ISPs keep records on which IPs they loan to which person at any given time.

VPN IPs are owned by the VPN. If they got a VPN, no harm no foul, they just toss out that IP. (Or maybe they could pester the VPN company for a customer lookup, but many of them don't keep records to forestall that.)

IPs can't be faked, necessarily. They just might not be useful. But they certainly might be useful.

Yes, I know it. I don't think this is common knowledge among the law force tho, since there are many examples of investigations ending in nothing because the police/detectives/whatever couldn't track or find the online suspects. I'm aware that if they look and ask the right places/people, they can find everyone that ever signed up in this site. I just don't think they have the competence/time available.

 

[Medicated]

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[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Fuck, man. You've got balls of steel.

No. Strolling onto someone's website, located in an entirely different country than yours and expecting the lead admin to hand over confidential info because you're with the popo requires balls of steel.

 

[energ1a]

This made me sign up

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I could have sword I had heard of researchers spoofing IPs in a BitTorrent swarm to prove they aren't reliable... making it look like a law enforcement agency was in the swarm or something. I can't find it now.

That's different. A BitTorrent tracker / swarm collects a list of IPs. It's not impossible to trick something that creates a list into adding fake entries into said list.

No. Strolling onto someone's website, located in an entirely different country than yours and expecting the lead admin to hand over confidential info because you're with the popo requires balls of steel.

Here's the fun fact: It appears that most other sites capitulated within minutes. 8ch, Youtube, Bitchute, FB... all of them were like "welp here ya go." So no wonder he felt he could saunter up to the table and make demands.

 

[QD 846]

Imagine trying to ban a video that will let everyone know exactly what went down and how horrible it was. The video and manifesto turned the attack from a list of numbers and a title to the inner workings of a demented person who went out to kill innocents. People can only benefit from being able to access it.

my guess is that they want it censored because his manifesto is full of heavy redpill/blackpill content, and they want to prevent that stuff from spreading.

 

[Graffiti canvas]

This whole thing is like the Streisand effect but on steroids. Well done, NZ, you've done everything in your power to increase the popularity and visibility of this material by being amazingly overreaching in your authority.

I can only imagine how many other tiny forums and websites they've tried this on and succeeded.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Also about the email footer you guys are all spazzing about, it's talking about if you weren't the intended recipient, or if you were but then you share something sensitive (evidence attached for you to comment on / explain, for example).

I think you fail to understand exactly what people are 'spazzing' about. They included that footer to try and prevent exactly what Null did- publicizing that they are trying to identify and investigate internet users from a forum. That makes everyone else the 'unintended recipient.' They don't want anyone to be able to reveal to the world what they say in an email; they are purposefully trying to chill free speech. They are not alone; those legal footers are used by many people, even lawyers, when they send ridiculous demand letters or 'requests' because they know there would be public backlash if they were discovered. Otherwise they could only include it when sending particular information; that said, if you don't want information revealed, you don't send it in an email to someone unless they agree beforehand to not share it. And you check that you're sending it to the right place.

I know that such notices have weight in the US- if you send someone something, you generally cannot control what they do with it (with the exception of national security letters as referenced earlier and possibly 'revenge porn'- a thorny issue that will eventually have to get sorted in court, I think). But I don't know if actual kiwi citizens have to kowtow to such general notices. I doubt it; I suspect the statute applies to physical goods and some bright mind decided to try and use it as a scare tactic because people wet their pants when they see statutes mentioned.

 

[Odie Esty]

buddy of mine got his discord account deleted for linking to the kiwi farms thread, be safe retards

 

[MunsterCheese]

Not only do they allow 9 news to publicise the video of the shooting, but it's actively promoted to me by youtube. The gate keeping is so incredibly clear.

Video in question.

To be fair, they censored out the actual shootings. They had one shot of a muslim on the floor as he walked towards the hallway through the smoke. Sloppy editing.

 

[Coccxys]

my guess is that they want it censored because his manifesto is full of heavy redpill/blackpill content, and they want to prevent that stuff from spreading.

More like the media want to tell you what it says and not have it avaliable for you to fact check them. How many stories have we seen saying that the shooter supported Trump but totally ignore the 2nd part of his section about Trump. This is just the same as the "it's illegal for you to read these documents but we can and then tell you all about them".