Rejected! 2021-08-31 - Isabella Loretta Janke (via attorney): A courtesy request.

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  • KEEP!

    Votes: 3,701 94.8%
  • DELETE!

    Votes: 202 5.2%

  • Total voters
    3,903
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@Null I would respectfully tell them that removing ILJ material from the site would have very little effect on people's interest in her, and it would just cause people to go onto other websites (which possibly have more relaxed rules regarding IRL harassment) to catalogue details about her life. Harassment is already against the rules and you are proactive in removing any harassing users and content. Historically, the best approach for people who have gained infamy on the internet is to not have a presence on the internet at all, and to not respond to any of the harassment - this almost always causes people to lose interest. In terms of removing defamatory information about her from the internet, her best bet is to contact search engines and request that they removed her from search results. There have been some people who have had success doing that.

In addition, if she happens to know anything about anyone involved in the DDoSing, it would certainly help her case if she could get them to stop doing this.
 
She's reached the point where her notoriety is such that many would probably take interest in hearing her out. Honestly if the true facts of her case are really such that they would cast her situation in a new light, it would probably behoove her to sit down with an interviewer she trusts to ask the perceptive questions and tell her story with unflinching honesty, since clearly she hasn't found herself able to do so directly. I look forward to the Louis Theroux or Glenn Greenwald exclusive.
 
Hello Bella, I'm the owner of KlWlFARMS.net, I have read your message in his entirety but first let me thank you for reaching to us, here in KlWlFARMS the well being of our Lolcows is vital, otherwise they wouldn't be able to produce delicious milk, We do everything in on power to make sure Lolcows such's as yourself are well accommodated and having a good time, Cows tend to be hostile, and violent, that's why we don't usually respond well to their tantrums however when a Lolcow apologizes is our duty to help them back on their feet. as you can see the people in this thread don't seem to like you, Which brings me into a comprising position, as this forum is based on California laws and democracy is respected when it benefit us, but don't lose hope yet as perhaps there is something we can do to make sure this threads gets deleted from the whole internets.

First of all

To confirm this is really you you should send me some pictures of you (face, arms, butthole, etc) and at least 20 seconds of audio where you said my name (James) while mimicking different emotions (crying, fear, love, excitement) to this email. kiwifarmss@yahoo.com , now, don't worry, that information will only be used prove you are Isabella and not some troll, after the confirmation is done a Paypay transfer will be necessary to cover for the prices of deleting the thread, 500 dollars should be enough,if you have any other doubts please come to our Kiwifarm Officine's at 2200 EST, 9/28/2021, 4210 Wolfetown Rd, Cherokee, NC 28719 to discuss those issues in a more personnel matter, make sure to don't tell anyone about this meeting and go alone. if a old man approaches you in a Jeep Sahara with tinted glasses that's my dad, just get in the car. and don't try to run away, he is very fast and has very little patience.

Have a wonderful day and once again, thank you for reaching us.

- James Goldenstein.
No.

Sincerely,
Bella.
 
Bitch posts pictures and boasts about molesting roommates and killing animals. "There's additional facts missing that may change the context of the story."

Yes, of course there is, Mr. Soulless Fucking Mannequin Esq. I'm sure someone openly talking about their conquests in the realms of sexual assault and small animal murder is a delicate issue that requires additional information to understand exactly what your client was trying to say.

Hang the whore, and let's keep the record.
Just for kicks I want to know what additional facts would help everything about molesting roommates, boiling hamsters, and sneaking estrogen into peoples food fall into place to make this cunt seem sympathetic.

Short of "My roommates and I are all into nonconsensual roleplay, my friend is scared of his estrogen pills so I have to wrap them in cheese like a dog for them, and those hamsters belonged to Al-Qaeda" this attorney has nothing.
 
I'm just curious how much that attorney read. He pointed out specific pages spanning that 1100 page thread.
Maybe by getting Null to delete a few pages, he intended to use that to claim "AH, you're editorializing! So take it all down or we gonna say you violated section 230 and take all yer moneh!"

And, thinking about it, by this conversation, we have all considered the future of the content and he can no longer take it down without others claiming that we collectively exercised editorial control. So, Mr Lawyer Man you've forced our hand and the thread can no longer be taken down as that could be used to argue failure to follow section 230. Sowry Isabella Loretta Janke, your threads must now be enshrined for all eternity for the sake of society.

I say Null should set up a script to systematically archive them to archive.org and archive.vn just to be sure it's preserved.
 
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I'm late for the show. FWIW, I, too, think the multiple threads should stay, and at least the first few pages of each one should be archived.

Regarding the email, yes, it is refreshing to see a non-antagonizing request to have a thread deleted. Nevertheless, the email is rhetorical and presumes a list of unstated premises which are false.

There is no "incident" that the email alludes to. There is a distinct pattern of disturbing behavior over an extended period of time. There is no context or additional information that would render Isabella Loretta Janke's behavior acceptable, justified, or legitimate. If Janke insists otherwise, she should post this information in one of her threads. If anything, it would be amusing to read. My guess is that the Nyberg/Edgelord defense would be invoked.

"Furthermore, though the undersigned is an attorney, we have been engaged as negotiators and facilitators."

This is a doubtful claim. Isabella Loretta Janke approached a legal firm because she would have been seeking a legal solution to her peculiar problem. I think it is after the facts of the situation were communicated to Lambert that she was advised that an attempt at a legal solution is not likely to succeed. Whether Janke accepts this remains an open question. Frustrated with Lambert, she may seek another legal firm that is prepared to take her money and engage in a quixotic quest to censor the Internet, just like with Ben Garrison's vain (and expensive) attempt to have his cartoon parodies removed.

"Negotiation" is the wrong noun. It implies that all parties get something they want, albeit in a compromised fashion. What exactly will Null and the forum gain from deleting Isabella Loretta Janke's thread? If money or something else of value was being offered to Null, then there would be a negotiation. A request to delete the thread buttressed with an inappropriate appeal to fairness and compassion is not a negotiation. I can't determine whether Lambert is confused or if he is deliberately trying to obscure that he is offering no substantive inducement to have the thread deleted.

A moralistic appeal on behalf of someone that rejects conventional morality without any apparent discomfort seems crass. To the extent that Isabella Loretta Janke's thread disregards conventional morality -- and I doubt that it does so -- she should be prepared to accept others acting as she does. Logical consistency demands this. If Isabella Loretta Janke is serious about her immorality, she would be understanding of the forum's pitiless indifference to whatever negative consequences she attributes to her threads' existence.

"Furthermore, our client would like to make you aware of the ongoing negative impacts on themselves as a result of the above URL and the ease with which it is discoverable via simple ineternet search engines."

Isabella Loretta Janke is obligated to explain why anyone should care about "the ongoing negative impacts" to her. I don't find a compelling reason to interest myself in her welfare in the same manner that she can't find a compelling reason to be interested in her victims' welfare.

Is it virtuous to forgive? Yes, but only where there is contrition and remediation (where possible). I see neither. Further, I think that Isabella Loretta Janke is a hazard. Her sadistic psychopathy is a danger to humans and animals, and this may very well worsen. As such, there is a moral imperative to widely publicize her aberrant behavior. A potential employer, friend, or partner should be able to make an informed decision whether to associate with Isabella Loretta Janke. If the content is true, then it is entirely ethical that it should be widely accessible so that the danger she represents can be avoided.

The following is just thread trivia; it has no special significance -- at least not at the present time. Ben Lambert is openly gay and markets himself as a gay lawyer that provides gay legal services.

See https://web.archive.org/web/20210225161132/https://lambertworldwide.com/about/ben-lambert/

This is the alt text of the image of the company logo:

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This appears to be something of a marketing gimmick. Is there a gay manner of practicing these areas of law that would distinguish his services?

And no, I don't think this is a high-powered legal firm. Three people comprise the team, and one of them is based in Vietnam and handles matters of Vietnamese business law.

See https://web.archive.org/web/20210225170120/https://lambertworldwide.com/about/

They mainly provide legal services in estate planning (in particular for gay people) and general commercial law in multiple international jurisdictions via a network of affiliates. They have no expertise in IT-related law, defamation, or criminal law. Lambert writes about technology like a Baby Boomer, but he is much younger. His email has a list of URLs, but he refers to it in the singular URL. He also refers to the content as an "article." Not once does he refer to a thread. I am confident that he has no expertise in IT-related law. He is honest, though. He informed his fungus-infected client that a legal solution was unlikely.

This is mere conjecture, and I have no evidence. I think the DDoS attacks against the forum are more likely related to Byuu/Near rather than Isabella Loretta Janke. There was moral outrage all over Twitter about KF causing the suicide of yet another vulnerable person. Even Russell Greer got in on the moral indignation. There was sufficient background anger and hostility towards KF to motivate a self-righteous person to seek out and pay for one of the many euphemistically named "server stress test services." Null reported that the DDoS attacks were persistent and responsive to his mitigation efforts. That isn't necessarily beyond the capability of the DDoS attack vendors. The specific service provided largely comes down to the amount of money you are willing to spend. Near's stunt succeeded in bringing the hostility towards KF to a head. He appeared to have brought it past a certain threshold that would motivate the extra expense.

I think too much is being made of Isabella Loretta Janke's parents being employed by intelligence agencies. These agencies do exercise extrajudicial power, sometimes. That doesn't entail that the extrajudicial power extends to staff such that they can employ this power in a personal vendetta. This was always unlikely and has been made even less likely after the file dumps provided by Snowden and Manning. After these huge leaks, all Five Eyes extended their surveillance of their employees and better secured their LANs. It is much harder now to abuse the managerial trust placed in you. We won't be seeing any more intelligence agency leaks for a long time.

The other matter is the speculation that the FBI, CIA, and NSA have botnets. The Manning and Snowden leaks contain no evidence that these agencies have botnets. All of their capabilities and procedures have been laid bare. The data exfiltrations were comprehensive, and they included training materials, PowerPoint presentations, product catalogs, organizational hierarchy charts, software tool code names, field reports, AV evasion data, pretty much everything. There is no description of mass malware infection tools or procedures or of the organizational unit that is charged with this responsibility. They do use the euphemistically named RATs (Remote Administration Tools). The NSA calls them "implants." But these are deployed against specific targets. We know this from the software technical documentation, and because no AV vendor has caught them in a honeypot, reverse engineered them and published an analytical report. From the Wiki-Leaks NSA documents, we learn that "implants" are typically either introduced at some point in the computer hardware supply chain (there is a PowerPoint slide of a small team of NSA staff preparing a Cisco router for a hardware implant) or they rely on a zero-day exploit typically associated with a document format or web browser. We even learn where they buy their zero-day exploits from -- Vupen -- and that it costs 250K USD per year just to subscribe to the Vupen catalog. Mass infection, as per bot farmers, would quickly reduce the value of zero-day exploits and of implants. All of the many AV vendors operate honeypots, collect spam email, download software torrents and crawl websites to download documents and software files. This is the main method that they use to catch new malware samples. Intelligence agency implants would very likely get caught by an AV vendor if there was a mass distribution effort. If found to be novel, the sample will then be shared with other AV vendors. The malware then becomes detectable via a signature (and/or a pattern of behavior) and the zero-day widely known and reported to the software vendor. This would be a disastrous outcome for an intelligence agency that has invested in the development of an "implant" and paid many thousands of dollars for a zero-day exploit.
 
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