2025 Israel vs Iran War

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karaokeman said:
The overwhelming majority of Saudis support Palestinians, literally the only reason Osama Bin Laden existed in the first place, and literally the main reason why Saudis are prone to joining terrorist groups, its Israel.
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If the Islamic Republic in Iran falls it may not be the end of Israel's conflicts with other Muslims. Without the shared threat of Iran Saudi Arabia's brand of Wahabbi Islam that they sponsor around the world and Israel may eventually come into conflict. The same thing happened when everyone viewed Saddam Hussien's Iraq as the main enemy of Israel but after the US invasion toppled him Iran quickly took their place.
 
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JCVD_Fan said:
If the Islamic Republic in Iran falls it may not be the end of Israel's conflicts with other Muslims. Without the shared threat of Iran Saudi Arabia's brand of Wahabbi Islam that they sponsor around the world and Israel may eventually come into conflict. The same thing happened when everyone viewed Saddam Hussien's Iraq as the main enemy of Israel but after the US invasion toppled him Iran quickly took their place.
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What would even replace the current regime? Surely one that is friendly to Russia and probably China and Pakistan too all of whom at best are indifferent to both Israel and the US because I can't imagine Putin being happy if the US sets up shop near their sphere of influence.

Also who is to say the next regime wouldn't want to pursue nuclear weapons anyway just for the sake of insurance whether it is for Israel, Russia, or whomever.
 
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Welfare Bum said:
openly bragging about using the nuclear talks as a means of lulling Iran into a false sense of security so that Israel could attack them
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Did Trump do that? I've seen some Israeli news sources talk about it but I don't think I've seen anything of Trump doing it rather I've just seen him continue, perhaps facetiously continue to say Iran needs to negotiate.
JCVD_Fan said:
If the Islamic Republic in Iran falls it may not be the end of Israel's conflicts with other Muslims. Without the shared threat of Iran Saudi Arabia's brand of Wahabbi Islam that they sponsor around the world and Israel may eventually come into conflict. The same thing happened when everyone viewed Saddam Hussien's Iraq as the main enemy of Israel but after the US invasion toppled him Iran quickly took their place.
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the comparison isn't quite applicable. As of right now at least the Saudi's are playing ball with Israel to an extent. which wasn't the case with Iran even when Saddam was in Iraq. So pointing out that Iran took that place after Iraq is a "well duh" moment because Iran was already anti-Israel
verissimus said:
Also who is to say the next regime wouldn't want to pursue nuclear weapons anyway just for the sake of insurance whether it is Israel, Russia, or whomever.
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One has to hope at least that they wouldn't look at the thing that got their predecessors killed and say "yeah let's keep that one going"
 
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JCVD_Fan said:
If the Islamic Republic in Iran falls it may not be the end of Israel's conflicts with other Muslims. Without the shared threat of Iran Saudi Arabia's brand of Wahabbi Islam that they sponsor around the world and Israel may eventually come into conflict. The same thing happened when everyone viewed Saddam Hussien's Iraq as the main enemy of Israel but after the US invasion toppled him Iran quickly took their place.
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I always felt Israel would get into shit with Turkey next, but maybe the Sauds are next.
 
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Frederica Bernkastel said:
Iran is an adversary of the US, and Trump is the continuation of US policy using Israel as an effective proxy to eliminate threats to its soft power in the Middle East. If anything, he's just re-affirming decades of U.S. strategy. That's why he did honor his deal to lift sanctions on Syria if they became more Israeli friendly. This wasn't a master chess move either; the Soviets thought they could use Israel as a way to export communism in the M.E. but Israelis have a bit more agency than that. I'm also struggling to see countries "flocking to China." China is Israel's biggest trading partner. Even they value their relationship with Israel more than Iran - which is why you aren't seeing them get too involved, along with Russia.
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Even if the US pulled all of its support from Israel, Iran would not forgive us or start being buddy-buddy with us.

Muslims don't believe in forgiveness, especially not for infidels or apostates. If they did, the Middle East wouldn't be a trashfire of thousand-year-old blood feuds.

The Quran explicitly says that infidels have three options: convert to Islam, be subjugated and pay the jizya, or die.

Yeah, Jews are selfish assholes, but they're not a problem if you and them stay out of each other's way. Islam is a psycho death cult that has time and again expressed its desire to rule the world.
 
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Welfare Bum said:
He single-handedly, with one move, completely destroyed America's ability to be taken at it's word in any form of negotiation or deal with any country in the world. By openly bragging about using the nuclear talks as a means of lulling Iran into a false sense of security so that Israel could attack them, he displayed to the entire world that America cannot be trusted. That is not what you want when America's soft power is fading away around the globe and more and more countries are flocking to China. If it were anyone else, America would still have a chance at being respected.
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Oh boy, who wants to tell him about D-Day?
 
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verissimus said:
Also who is to say the next regime wouldn't want to pursue nuclear weapons anyway just for the sake of insurance whether it is Israel, Russia, or whomever.
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Nothing. You could assume that the US would enforce a similar deal on a friendly Iran because its doing the same to Syria's chemical weapons despite it being friendly with the US atm. Hell, the US dismantled the nuclear programs of Taiwan, Ukraine and Japan despite being friendly with them. Which, ironically, is backfiring on them.
 
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Got more missile footage, supposedly a Fattah-1 hypersonic dodging past a bunch of interceptors.

If the US does get involved properly, I think this will largely be restricted to an air war. I'm not sure just how much posturing Iran is doing, but it isn't impossible that they've been waiting to use their best stuff last. This war in untenable, but it seems to me both sides are doing strongman stuff to try and get the other to back down.
Somehow it all feels fake.
 
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Meat Target said:
Muslims don't believe in forgiveness, especially not for infidels or apostates. If they did, the Middle East wouldn't be a trashfire of thousand-year-old blood feuds.
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I mean, yeah, its obviously delusional to believe Islam isn't an imperialist philosophy and that it is compatible with western civilization. They don't really hide it.
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Frederica Bernkastel said:
Iran is an adversary of the US
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This literally doesn't matter at all. Trump showed his word means nothing, and that he does not negotiate in good faith. This is in addition to his attempts to bully other countries in the past months with his trade war nonsense, which was what initiated the flocking to China.
 
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Welfare Bum said:
He single-handedly, with one move, completely destroyed America's ability to be taken at it's word in any form of negotiation or deal with any country in the world. By openly bragging about using the nuclear talks as a means of lulling Iran into a false sense of security so that Israel could attack them, he displayed to the entire world that America cannot be trusted. That is not what you want when America's soft power is fading away around the globe and more and more countries are flocking to China. If it were anyone else, America would still have a chance at being respected.
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It's quite apparent to me now that Trump and the entire MAGA movement was nothing more than a gayop to put this in motion. It capitalized on real sentiment that exists in the White population after the extreme oppression Americans lived under during the past four years under leftist rule (forced COVID injections, cancel culture, effectively a recession, etc.) coupled with an astroturfed "conservative" movement (Musk/Thiel, the buying of X and return of "free speech" to social media, deportations without any real reversal of demographic change, etc.) to bring the orange retard back into the oval office so he can give the jews everything they ever wanted and take the fall for it in the end. I wouldn't be surprised once the US enters yet another endless war against the enemies of international jewry to see 40 million plus democrats magically appear back on the voter role in the next election since there's no reason to believe voter fraud only happens in one direction. The Trump saga will likely end with him impeached and imprisoned once the jews have got their use out of him and the Democrat/left-wing permanently in power as the White race continues to dwindle into to a minority in the country they built.
 
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Burnt Fish said:
Did Trump do that? I've seen some Israeli news sources talk about it but I don't think I've seen anything of Trump doing it rather I've just seen him continue, perhaps facetiously continue to say Iran needs to negotiate.

the comparison isn't quite applicable. As of right now at least the Saudi's are playing ball with Israel to an extent. which wasn't the case with Iran even when Saddam was in Iraq. So pointing out that Iran took that place after Iraq is a "well duh" moment because Iran was already anti-Israel

One has to hope at least that they wouldn't look at the thing that got their predecessors killed and say "yeah let's keep that one going"
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Saudi only playing ball with Israel because America is there, terrorism will just rise though because Saudi leadership cannot control the convictions of its people. Without the US in the picture, the entire Arab world would resume its war against Israel.

It's a never ending cycle as long as a US-backed Israel continues to exist.
 
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