Plagued 4chan - the Internet hate machine

[AnOminous]

And if all the television networks refuse to give me a nightly talk show, I don't get money either.

If you manage to provide no benefit to every single payment processor on the planet, you're not good at business. Rape porn, beastiality sites, and illegal offshore casinos all manage to find ways to process credit cards. Even weed shops discovered a workaround.

The vast majority of Internet gambling from the United States just flat out died with the UIGEA. I guess if you're okay with that happening to unpopular speech too there's not much I can really say.

 

[DildoGaggins]

But do the people who visit /pol/ really give a shit about porn? And the other NSFW sites are porn- ads are redundant.

People do actually click on the links, I know for a fact. So they must be working. Also regardless porn ads are fucking everywhere so I don't see why those advertisers wouldn't still do them and mootchink wouldn't refuse the money.

 

[Richard Stabone]

The vast majority of Internet gambling from the United States just flat out died with the UIGEA. I guess if you're okay with that happening to unpopular speech too there's not much I can really say.

Almost all the Caribbean or tribal sites that don't give a fuck about U.S. law still take credit cards. They just use Chinese processors which admittedly are a pain in the ass, but work.

It should also be much easier for a business where it's actually legal to operate in the U.S.

 

[AnOminous]

Almost all the Caribbean or tribal sites that don't give a fuck about U.S. law still take credit cards. They just use Chinese processors which admittedly are a pain in the ass, but work.

And most of them are completely untrustworthy scams that never cash out winnings or just take the money and run.

The only ones I do trust even slightly are ones that use crypto.

With the loss of the oversight that came along with directly interfacing with the banking system went any reliance one could have.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

It's an interesting argument but there will be no new public utilities ever again barring some cataclysmic event. We are trending towards ever greater corporate power every day.

 

[Linako 2.0]

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lel look at this nigger loving fag

Fucking Tranny gets the rope

 

[Zaragoza]

And now /v/ jannies are deleting dutch posting and mango posting
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I can never get enough of that "STEVE FOR SMASH" meme where they use this very disturbing 3D iteration of Steve from Minecraft making creepy ass smiles while holding low polygon models of random Nintendo characters.

 

[SweetDefeat01]

Jesus Christ there's so much furry porn on /v/ right now

 

[adorable bitch]

As much of a cancerous cesspool as it is, I really hope 4chan doesn't get killed or seriously neutered by hiroshima

I like the boards I go on quite a bit. It's like my retarded cancerous meme baby.

 

[Done]

And if all the television networks refuse to give me a nightly talk show, I don't get money either.

If you manage to provide no benefit to every single payment processor on the planet, you're not good at business. Rape porn, beastiality sites, and illegal offshore casinos all manage to find ways to process credit cards. Even weed shops discovered a workaround.

This. I am honestly amazed that supposedly knowledgeable business owners are surprised they can't monetize sites with absolute, no boundaries free speech. As if Pepsi would want its ads next to some anon's greentext about how he killed 300 trannies/niggers/honkies..etc today. or as if Nokia would want its ads next to fucking weev or Andrew Anglin posts. That is just absolutely unrealistic thinking

This is what big business does to any medium it attempts to monetize, it sterilizes it. This is why corporate ads are frequently safe and dare I say it, classically conservative in terms of content. This isn't because SJWs are running the show, it's because above all, capital is cowardly.

Another point we would be wise to remember is that unpopular speech by definition is not something that attracts the masses. Which in itself is a deterrent to respectable ad providers, those businesses want to have maximum reach, and they're not gonna get it from sites that openly host unpopular speech. Which only leaves non-respectable ad providers (basically dick pill or porn companies...etc).

If you think this is only for sites with anti-SJW userbases then think again. ResetEra, a fucking hardcore SJW-gaming site, can't find any better ad partners than fucking porno advertisers either. This is affecting anyone who either has a small userbase, or a large one with no speech boundaries or both.

 

[Commander Keen]

I can't believe Hiroshima thinks he can sell ads on /tv/ of all places. The board that casually has at least 3-5 "fuck niggers" threads up on the first page at all times.

That’s every board. /tv/ will kill the chances for advertising, but for other reasons.

 

[AnOminous]

This is what big business does to any medium it attempts to monetize, it sterilizes it. This is why corporate ads are frequently safe and dare I say it, classically conservative in terms of content. This isn't because SJWs are running the show, it's because above all, capital is cowardly.

You can't say it's just that when a site doesn't even have advertisers, but still gets driven off every functional payment processor because people don't think that it should even be funded voluntarily by those who actually want to use it.

If you think this is only for sites with anti-SJW userbases then think again. ResetEra, a fucking hardcore SJW-gaming site, can't find any better ad partners than fucking porno advertisers either.

They aren't being driven off any payment processors if they want to accept donations, though. Credit card companies aren't refusing to do business with them.

Of course, it would be easy enough to do should any batch of people be determined enough.

 

[419]

I eagerly await 16chan, followed by 32chan and 64chan.

I have seen 16/32chan at one point years ago as just completely empty chan sites, but the standard .com/net/org domains have all been put for sale. maybe at some point there might be incentive for people to grab those domains again?

 

[Done]

You can't say it's just that when a site doesn't even have advertisers, but still gets driven off every functional payment processor because people don't think that it should even be funded voluntarily by those who actually want to use it.

They aren't being driven off any payment processors if they want to accept donations, though. Credit card companies aren't refusing to do business with them.

Of course, it would be easy enough to do should any batch of people be determined enough.

Like I said, capital is cowardly and very risk-averse, and credit card processors are not an exception to that. The fact that this has been weaponized by certain social movements doesn't mean that this age-old fact isn't a fact. It just means that you have to find a way to make your platform/site/forum credible as a regular gathering that maybe has some errant elements that you're working on curating away.

You will also notice that prominent social media platforms like FB/Twitter/YouTube..etc, don't solicit donations in the 1st place. They never did it even in their infancy, because the real money is in either premium subscription models or ad revenue.

Right now, I think the necessity for some form of content curation/regulation on social platforms has been the #1 lesson of 2016-2018. So many social platforms are getting BTFO'd for various reasons (Gab and Tumblr being the most recent), but it almost always comes back to that IMO. Curation is necessary for those businesses to grow/stay alive.

 

[AnOminous]

Curation is necessary for those businesses to grow/stay alive.

Killing these businesses may be necessary for us to stay alive.

 

[Done]

Killing these businesses may be necessary for us to stay alive.

Amen to that brother.

 

[cecograph]

I hope Null wasn't right a few weeks ago when he posted we have only a decade tops left before we can't say nigger on the internet anymore .

No, that's stupid, and only applies to people who think the internet is Facebook/Twitter/Google.

 

[Richard Stabone]

And most of them are completely untrustworthy scams that never cash out winnings or just take the money and run.

The only ones I do trust even slightly are ones that use crypto.

With the loss of the oversight that came along with directly interfacing with the banking system went any reliance one could have.

Sketchy companies usually have to work with other sketchy companies. Hiro is a sketchy dude who has been accused of mining his users data in the past and banning others to pump up paid memberships (among other things). It's not the worlds fault that legitimate companies don't want to do business with the guy.

And like I said, CC processing is available to these kind of sites. It requires building relationships and an investment. But that's not what they want. They want access to the easiest and cheapest possible option and won't settle for anything less.

It's an interesting argument but there will be no new public utilities ever again barring some cataclysmic event. We are trending towards ever greater corporate power every day.

I don't think this is all corporations making decisions. A big chunk of it is shadow regulation from the government. Under Obama they set up Operation Choke Point which was meant to scare the banks into not doing business with payday lenders, gun dealers and businesses susceptible to money laundering. Under Trump, Sessions promised targeting obscenity prosecutions which scared these companies that processed adult content (which is why you're seeing sites like Patreon back away from it).

I know the narrative is some SJWs control the trillion dollar financial sector. But the government has had much more power in neutering what can and can't be processed.

 

[AnOminous]

Sketchy companies usually have to work with other sketchy companies. Hiro is a sketchy dude who has been accused of mining his users data in the past and banning others to pump up paid memberships (among other things). It's not the worlds fault that legitimate companies don't want to do business with the guy.

He's also allegedly a fugitive from tax reasons. But yes, he's a sketchy dude. I'm more talking about us than current 4chan.

Even moot could keep 4chan running for pretty much forever. It's gookmoot who wanted to try to turn it into a profit center, which just isn't going to happen. Like ED and other sketchy sites, there will always be enough sketchy/shitty advertisers to keep it afloat and maybe feed the drug habits of a couple admins, but turning a real profit is not realistic.

I think he's realizing what moot already knew when he sold it to him.

 

[ure_mum]

The change has now been implemented. If you go to the home page of 4chan and enter a blue board, it redirects you to 4channel. Pretty annoying, but if you go through a NSFW board, you can still enter all the other boards just fine (at least I presume you can, I have 4chanx so it might look different without it).

Spoiler: 4channel home page