Plagued 4chan - the Internet hate machine

Will the 4chan hack be the end of it?

  • Yes, goodbye forever 4chan

    Votes: 1,033 18.5%
  • No, they will rise from the ashes, stronger than ever

    Votes: 344 6.2%
  • This will rattle them but it will be forgotten about next week

    Votes: 2,329 41.7%
  • I am just here for the janny phonebooking

    Votes: 1,094 19.6%
  • What the fuck is 4chan

    Votes: 219 3.9%
  • Yotsuba&!

    Votes: 571 10.2%

  • Total voters
    5,590
I don't have the energy to defend anarchism in-depth today but it's not chaotic and it's not monarchic. That's a very typical psyop by anarchy-fearing loons like Soros. It's closer to the kibbutz model and direct democracy than anything else. Real anarchy I mean, not some extreme mutt or caricature.

Compliance is ultimately enforced by threat of exile, this is fully compatible with real anarchy. Even the death penalty is possible within an anarchist system if it is only offered as an alternative to exile. Anarchy has governance, I believe exclusively of provisional nature e.g. on a basis of time-bound workgroups, time-bound appointees to specialized functions and on direct democracy. It just doesn't have imposition of will between members of the community other than in the extreme case of exile, e.g. when the rest of the community agrees together to exercise their freedom of dissociation.
You just described a functioning state.
  • laws (“Compliance is ultimately enforced by threat of exile,” “Even the death penalty is possible”)
  • judiciary (presumably someone or some body of people is deciding punishment for law violations)
  • legislature (“time-bound workgroups, time-bound appointees to specialized functions.” This likely extends to workgroups that decide on laws.)
  • executives (someone or some body of people validates votes for this “democracy” and likely directs the formation and dissolution of workgroups)
Tell me how I’m wrong and that this is actually anarchy.
 
You just described a functioning state.
  • laws (“Compliance is ultimately enforced by threat of exile,” “Even the death penalty is possible”)
  • judiciary (presumably someone or some body of people is deciding punishment for law violations)
  • legislature (“time-bound workgroups, time-bound appointees to specialized functions.” This likely extends to workgroups that decide on laws.)
  • executives (someone or some body of people validates votes for this “democracy” and likely directs the formation and dissolution of workgroups)
Tell me how I’m wrong and that this is actually anarchy.
Right?
Doesn't imprisonment count as an "exile"?
 
Woah buddy, that username is pretty vile. I'm reporting you to the moderators. For shame.
I picked this username out of its common use but mainly because I didn't think it would let me use spaces, write in a clever sentence or have something offensive because the last time I was on a forum (ATS) may it rot in shit, you couldn't create usernames and signatures that anyone might find offensive
*Jealously eyeballs @NiggerNiggerNigger*
 
I picked this username out of its common use but mainly because I didn't think it would let me use spaces, write in a clever sentence or have something offensive because the last time I was on a forum (ATS) may it rot in shit, you couldn't create usernames and signatures that anyone might find offensive
*Jealously eyeballs @NiggerNiggerNigger*
I just wish @Nigger and @niggernigger were still around.
 
what happened on indiachan?
it was a cheese pizza party and the admin shut it down citing "boredom" rather than deal with fallout. later somebody started up bharatchan but there were no shekels to be earned there, so all the indiachan orphans just squatted on 4chan from then on

indiachan bharatchan.webp
 
You know one of the things that KF lacks compared to 4chan is hugboxes.

There were a lot of hugbox generals on r9k for weirdos who never left the house and were too asocial even for the other boards on the site. The entertainment value came from looking at the insane shit going on inside of them, not actually posting in them yourself. It was a little peek into the most unhinged, out casted people on the internet. KF doesn’t have threads like that, because if you try to make one people will call you a retard.

Go into one of the off-topic boards and try posting a thread that resembles one of the of unhinged r9k generals there used to be. You’d be laughed out of the room immediately.
 
Other than the leak of RapeApe saying it would take them "2-3 weeks", nothing.
Question
How does one achieve the "true and honest fan" tag?
How many years of brand loyalty?
How many shitposts?
Or is this a "was here when it mattered most" sort of thing?

You know one of the things that KF lacks compared to 4chan is hugboxes.

There were a lot of hugbox generals on r9k for weirdos who never left the house and were too asocial even for the other boards on the site. The entertainment value came from looking at the insane shit going on inside of them, not actually posting in them yourself. It was a little peek into the most unhinged, out casted people on the internet. KF doesn’t have threads like that, because if you try to make one people will call you a retard.

Go into one of the off-topic boards and try posting a thread that resembles one of the of unhinged r9k generals there used to be. You’d be laughed out of the room immediately.
I got targeted today by some hugboxers for simply reposting memes and what not I downloaded from 4chan
Apparently that was enough to trigger some
 
Question
How does one achieve the "true and honest fan" tag?
How many years of brand loyalty?
How many shitposts?
Or is this a "was here when it mattered most" sort of thing?
Donate at least 20 dollars to Null. Easiest way is to mail in checks
 
You just described a functioning state.
  • laws (“Compliance is ultimately enforced by threat of exile,” “Even the death penalty is possible”)
  • judiciary (presumably someone or some body of people is deciding punishment for law violations)
  • legislature (“time-bound workgroups, time-bound appointees to specialized functions.” This likely extends to workgroups that decide on laws.)
  • executives (someone or some body of people validates votes for this “democracy” and likely directs the formation and dissolution of workgroups)
Tell me how I’m wrong and that this is actually anarchy.
This is tough material, but I'll give it a try.
Firstly: in anarchism, a state is modeled as a social relation or collection of them. So it's not conceptualized as a "thing in itself" abstracted from the people that constitute it. A state is the people who participate in it, willingly or unwillingly. This is an idea from Gustav Landauer.

The implication is that by changing (social) relations, that is how a state transitions to a non-state, actual community. One distinction is that the group learns to do away with as much artificiality (and artifice) in their relations as possible; this is necessary because something with uncontrolled growth of artifice cannot become fully real.
Secondly there's the principle of mutual aid as described by Peter Kropotkin. This is what takes the place of such artifices and which becomes a conscious locus of interest to the entire community.

It really doesn't work to just match roles and then transplant all the negative connotations of a capitalist "representative" (spit) "democracy" to an outline of would-be anarchist societies because that's either a strawman or a method to invalidate to oneself that anarchism - non-archism - would be possible. It's a very informal and unrigorous kind of invalidation and quite uninteresting without at least making a sincere attempt to make some version of anarchism work in some respect.

One thing I remember hearing about a German commune was that they had a system of direct democracy which required all involved to come to an unanimous vote. Secondly it's a priority to any anarchist community to have their own means of production to the greatest extent possible, and taper off money in favor of trade or more actual mutual aid with similar communities.

Of course there's no requirement in anarchism to be less hierarchical than nature itself. Where the laws of nature dictate so one has no choice. This idea is more important in terms of iteration than in absolute terms, because understanding (e.g. practical grasp) of natural law improves naturally over time given minimally correct effort to do so.

Hope this clears some things up.
 
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