Containment 5/17/2018 - SORBET'S LOST

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What happened to Sorbet?

  • He escaped

  • Was kidnapped

  • Joined a circus

  • Commited suicide

  • Became one with the Hoard

  • Was eaten by Borb


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I'm surprised the discussion of Sorbet's health has gotten this in depth/contentious.

I'm hopeful there's an actual resolution to this that we get to hear about. Either Sorbet comes back or is found, or he's dead. Both tragic results for different reasons. I just don't want another month to pass and it's never mentioned again.

Hey maybe he wondered into someone's backyard and they ended up taking him in.

Chris is totally a shithead to animals, both intentionally and unintentionally. But not really when it comes to Sorbet.

He's only a shit head to other people's pets, or the animals he doesn't like/own. And yes, I completely agree with you, Chris getting the kids cat killed is extremely fucked up, and the father or the kid himself should have kicked Chris ass, because if the cat was Chris, you can bet your ass he would try to do something. I think this shows that Chris really only cares about himself and his animals, he could give a shit less about other people and their beloved pets.
 
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Hey maybe he wondered into someone's backyard and they ended up taking him in.
This would be a best case scenario, and I think it's a pretty long stretch for 2 reasons:

1) Sorbet doesn't look like a cat you want to bring in; I don't really care to participate in the discussion of his actual health, but an older cat with 3 paws and 1 eye might have other issues to someone who doesn't recognize what a celebrity Sorbet is. The layperson might be concerned about parasites or other illnesses he's carrying.

2) Sorbet has a collar with the Chandler's contact information. Why keep a weird looking cat when finding it's home would be so simple to just make a phone call or walk up to the front door and ring the bell.

My second reason got me thinking about how funny it would be to see the reaction of someone with no knowledge of Chris with good intentions trying to get Sorbet back home after they google 14 BC.
 
I've never owned a cat but I'm searching "indoor vs outdoor cat" and I'm seeing the life span of outdoors to be significantly lower than indoor cats. Seems like they can just get into more trouble. It's like 2-5 for outdoor average, 17 average for indoor. So I don't understand if you have an outdoor cat you need to be more responsible or need to adopt a "if he dies... he dies.." attitude.
But I wonder if that's a distinction between "outdoor cats" that aren't allowed into their owners homes (like some rednecks I know who just keep them on the property),"indoor cats" that can come or go, and literal indoor cats that never go outside.

Because (for instance) my parents have had quite a few cats now (all of whom can come or go from the house as they please) and not only do they tend to stay in the yard (and rarely go further by their own choice) but their lifespans are much more comparable to those cited numbers. All of them have lived to be 10+ at this point. I'd have to imagine that Chris's situation is pretty similar in that regard.
 
Do people in America poison cats?

My mum is an inveterate cat poisoner to this day, although she’s careful now to make sure I don’t catch her.

The rate of feline death in our wee local area is much higher than seems to be normal, and I always suspect her wee saucer of cream and antifreeze is to blame.

Her neighbours lost four cats in six months a couple of years back, but luckily didn’t replace them. I know they came in her garden so I’m certain she offed them.

Are there people like her in America? Could that be what’s happened to Sorbet?

It really depends on the situation. A relative of mine lived next door to a cat hoarder who had over 75 cats in her house. Some of the neighbors have resorted to giving the cats tampered food usually containing wet cement or shards of broken glass. Sometimes they also incorporated toxic fluids in the mix. This would occur when the cats would enter other people's property and use it as a litter box. She had no excuse about not containing her cats since she had a 3 family house and a 2 car garage. Long story short, yes, people like your mum exist in the States.
 
I had no idea I’d posted this before, but if you remember I did, I clearly have. Apologies for offending you. My memory isn’t what it used to be.
Dude.. That could be a symptom of long term poisoning. When your mom serves you food, does it taste vaguely of almonds?
 
It really depends on the situation. A relative of mine lived next door to a cat hoarder who had over 75 cats in her house. Some of the neighbors have resorted to giving the cats tampered food usually containing wet cement or shards of broken glass. Sometimes they also incorporated toxic fluids in the mix. This would occur when the cats would enter other people's property and use it as a litter box. She had no excuse about not containing her cats since she had a 3 family house and a 2 car garage. Long story short, yes, people like your mum exist in the States.

That sounds like such a horrible and slow death for them. I get being frustrated but was calling animal control/police out of the question?
 
No idea. Presumably you are no longer about eight, nine and could actually intervene the next time she has a case of cat zap fever?

Btw, in the case that this is all some weird performance piece on your part, I’m just playing along.

Sadly no, some of us genuinely drew the nutter mother in the lottery of life.

I also can’t prove it’s her to anyone’s satisfaction let alone the coppers, but it’s really too much of a coincidence that it keeps happening, no? I still live near enough her to ‘casually’ warn new neighbours that there’s a cat poisoner somewhere in the area and to keep a sharp eye on their outdoor cats.

I’m sorry if this discussion is upsetting you, I’m quite happy to take it to PM or leave it if you’d rather? I’m not trying to pull your chain here.
 
But I wonder if that's a distinction between "outdoor cats" that aren't allowed into their owners homes (like some rednecks I know who just keep them on the property),"indoor cats" that can come or go, and literal indoor cats that never go outside.

Because (for instance) my parents have had quite a few cats now (all of whom can come or go from the house as they please) and not only do they tend to stay in the yard (and rarely go further by their own choice) but their lifespans are much more comparable to those cited numbers. All of them have lived to be 10+ at this point. I'd have to imagine that Chris's situation is pretty similar in that regard.
There's a spectrum.

Little old ladies who feed the strays that come into their backyards. Little old ladies who start letting the cats inside. Some people with a more legit pet-owner relationship, where the cat just stays in the yard. And then just keeping the cats indoors 24/7.

I think Chris' cats leave the yard regularly.
 
Sadly no, some of us genuinely drew the nutter mother in the lottery of life.

I also can’t prove it’s her to anyone’s satisfaction let alone the coppers, but it’s really too much of a coincidence that it keeps happening, no? I still live near enough her to ‘casually’ warn new neighbours that there’s a cat poisoner somewhere in the area and to keep a sharp eye on their outdoor cats.

I’m sorry if this discussion is upsetting you, I’m quite happy to take it to PM or leave it if you’d rather? I’m not trying to pull your chain here.
It’s not upsetting to me any more than other tales of Bateman-esque torture and murder of defenceless animals are. The thought of owners losing a beloved pet to such a horrible fate also rankles. That said, the first time you regaled the forum with “My Mother, the Cat-Poisoner”, I inferred that you were just trying to troll a thread full of bleeding-heart kitty lovers and my initial response to you here was no more than an eye-roll that you were at it again.

No judgement on you for having a mentally ill relative, naturally, but I sincerely hope you try to catch her in the act and put an end to her cat-killing ways.
 
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That sounds like such a horrible and slow death for them. I get being frustrated but was calling animal control/police out of the question?

All this took place during the late 70s/early 80s. I'm also guessing they've given up trying to get the police involved since the cat lady was pretty damn rich and could pay off any fine given to her.
 
Speaking of nightmares - that scenario you shared about that eldery cat. That's just horrifying! I hope you you had the sense to take him to a vet to get his injuries seen to instead of leaving him as he was because 'cats don't care as much as a human would'.

Of course I did. But "seeing" his injuries was definitely all a vet could have done. To be honest, we've had a small history with that particular vet because he lied and made me euthanize a dog once so we weren't going to trust him that much with this scenario. Of course, he gave us his bare-minimum prognosis and thought the cat wouldn't be able to close its mouth again (which I knew wasn't true because the cat was capable of moving its mouth, just couldn't close it). So we kept the cat in our upstairs bathroom (he, himself, chose to be in there to recover), my dad cleaned his face, and he eventually returned to normal. But it did knock his life down a notch. This was in an April, I think, and he died the next year's December.

And just like humans who hate the idea of using an unflushed toilet that's filled to the brim with waste, a cat would hate using a litter box that hasn't been emptied in awhile. It smells awful; and having to walk in that literal crap? It's unsanitary!

You wouldn't want to use a filthy toilet; why would you expect a cat to use a filthy litter box - whether that litter box is an actual literal box or an entire house that serves as one.

The point I am arguing, though, is do they even have a Litter Box at 14BLC? Cats don't necessarily need one to shit with. All a cat needs is a dirt pile. My two current brother cats do not use a Litter Box when they are in the house, they simply wait until they want to go back outside. As lazy as Chris may be, what stops him from simply opening the door anytime Lucy, Pollo or Sorbet start meowing to be let out?

Checkups once a year or so to keep them up to date on their shots. That's the least you can do for them outside of emergencies.

Yeah, you're right. But I live in a much different part of the world where animals have always thrived. Wild dogs and cats are everywhere in our town. I've seen like 12 dogs all in one pack walk out of my neighborhood to go out scurrying through the night. It can even still be a busy Friday night on the local strip and about five or so are walking the sidewalk because they know their town.

Then you got the small tourist trap I live on, nobody keeps their shi-zhu dogs on a leash and they commonly get let out. The local dogs are running at top speed on the forest streets for me to be finding them later at the bars enjoying Friday as well.

And then as for shots, well, the truth is, we've never needed to worry about Rabies in this area. The viruses cannot survive getting here. I don't know the scientific reason why, but its something we've simply lived with. We do get Heartworm problems though, so our dogs do get a Heartworm pill every month. And of course, we bathe our dogs.

The country even has its own unofficial National Dog, the Potcake.


And its true, besides getting the animal fixed, we've simply not taken our cats to the vet. There's no need. If we see something amiss, we talk, and ask our friends. We don't have much money here so we just have never taken our animals to the vet unless it was really necessary.

And to be honest, I could sperg on and on about how I've personally handled my pets. I had a three-legged dog once.
 
Of course I did. But "seeing" his injuries was definitely all a vet could have done. To be honest, we've had a small history with that particular vet because he lied and made me euthanize a dog once so we weren't going to trust him that much with this scenario. Of course, he gave us his bare-minimum prognosis and thought the cat wouldn't be able to close its mouth again (which I knew wasn't true because the cat was capable of moving its mouth, just couldn't close it). So we kept the cat in our upstairs bathroom (he, himself, chose to be in there to recover), my dad cleaned his face, and he eventually returned to normal. But it did knock his life down a notch. This was in an April, I think, and he died the next year's December.

So you took the severely injured cat to a vet you didn't trust/like and instead of doing the merciful thing and putting that poor cat out of its misery, you took it home to heal - where it could never close its jaw again - and it lived that way for two years.

Sounds like you put your own feelings ahead of what was best for your cat - which putting it down would have been far more merciful than forcing it to live with a disfigurement that more than likely made it very difficult for the animal to eat/drink properly.

The point I am arguing, though, is do they even have a Litter Box at 14BLC? Cats don't necessarily need one to shit with. All a cat needs is a dirt pile. My two current brother cats do not use a Litter Box when they are in the house, they simply wait until they want to go back outside. As lazy as Chris may be, what stops him from simply opening the door anytime Lucy, Pollo or Sorbet start meowing to be let out?

It took CWC several minutes to get off his butt to check on his dogs, who were howling in what sounded like pain. So no, I can't see CWC getting up and letting the cats out if they meowled to be let outside.

And then as for shots, well, the truth is, we've never needed to worry about Rabies in this area. The viruses cannot survive getting here. I don't know the scientific reason why, but its something we've simply lived with.

Rabies is a global possibility. What you're experiencing is just sheer dumb luck.

And its true, besides getting the animal fixed, we've simply not taken our cats to the vet. There's no need.

That seriously careless; especially if your cats are outdoor cats/semi-feral.
 
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The cat didn't live the rest of its life with a disfigured jaw. The vet claimed the mouth couldn't close, and it eventually did. We did take the cat to the vet. But he was an idiot vet. If the cat needed to be euthanized, it wouldn't have even bother to come back home.

Our community loves our pets, every house on the street has at least one cat and we know everyones cats hang out with each other. Veterinarians exist, but visits are not cheap and they are often on different islands, and we have a lot of third world problems to worry about instead like the cost of food and gasoline.
 
The cat didn't live the rest of its life with a disfigured jaw. The vet claimed the mouth couldn't close, and it eventually did.

In a previous post, you said the cat couldn't close its jaw; now you said it could - eventually.

So, which is it?

If the cat needed to be euthanized, it wouldn't have even bother to come back home.

Last I checked, cats aren't psychic.

Our community loves our pets, every house on the street has at least one cat and we know everyones cats hang out with each other. Veterinarians exist, but visits are not cheap and they are often on different islands, and we have a lot of third world problems to worry about instead like the cost of food and gasoline.

Then maybe don't take on the responsibility of being a pet owner if you can't afford to properly take care of their needs/injuries.
 
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