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I wouldn't mind writing articles for a wiki if that's the case. I used to write essays for History Class in HS so I could probably put those skills to use for documenting Exceptional Individuals.
A Final Solution to the Wiki Question
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Here because I was one of the few people who liked the Lolcow Wiki, but I understand why Null didn't like it: It took too long to set things up.
Thing is, we use a few things at All The Tropes to take a lot of scut work out of writing articles. We use the HotCat gadget for adding categories with a few mouse clicks. We use the Multiboilerplate extension to plop down the bare skeleton of a page with all the templates and categories filled in, all you need to do is pencil in the blanks.
If the Lolcow Wiki comes back (and the the database can easily be reconstituted from a dump of the tables of the current archived version if need be), then I suggest adding as many features to automate all the scut work details so all the average Kiwi has to do is write the content. We have a few other things that help as well, like a automatic link suggestion script that helps with adding existing page links in the edit window.
I think the wiki is the best idea for cows with lots of content, and for special cases like a certain tampon enthusiast, a special website or two would be great as a supplement. However, if the wiki comes back, it basically need to be as streamlined and idiot proof as possible.
Thing is, we use a few things at All The Tropes to take a lot of scut work out of writing articles. We use the HotCat gadget for adding categories with a few mouse clicks. We use the Multiboilerplate extension to plop down the bare skeleton of a page with all the templates and categories filled in, all you need to do is pencil in the blanks.
If the Lolcow Wiki comes back (and the the database can easily be reconstituted from a dump of the tables of the current archived version if need be), then I suggest adding as many features to automate all the scut work details so all the average Kiwi has to do is write the content. We have a few other things that help as well, like a automatic link suggestion script that helps with adding existing page links in the edit window.
I think the wiki is the best idea for cows with lots of content, and for special cases like a certain tampon enthusiast, a special website or two would be great as a supplement. However, if the wiki comes back, it basically need to be as streamlined and idiot proof as possible.
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You cant idiot proof a wiki. What is going to have to happen in regards to a wiki is sysops who are not lazy. Trying to streamline a wiki and to gate keep people from editing is going to turn it into a secret club and no one will want to read it. Half the fun of running a wiki is going though and fixing articles and helping people become better writers. Everyone starts off on a wiki being terrible at it. No one is good their first time. Limiting editing capabilities to only a few people will stagnate the whole site.
Oaat
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I like the idea of simple timelines instead of wiki pages. OPs could have links to noteworthy posts with just a sentence to summarize, and the surrounding posts in the thread itself could provide some context. Basically like reading the thread but in fast forward.
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I agree with the general sentiments, but I don't have any concrete suggestions or solutions.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
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I have always been an advocate of a wiki as a proper way to organize information once a thread gets sufficiently long. However there must be some incentives for people to edit, even if it's as simple as a shout-out, or maybe a special badge.
Everything in this forum is a community effort but the initial work of creating pages is going to be laborious. Organization should be done through special threads (you can volunteer for a page) since I don't think expecting people to organize themselves will go well.
Everything in this forum is a community effort but the initial work of creating pages is going to be laborious. Organization should be done through special threads (you can volunteer for a page) since I don't think expecting people to organize themselves will go well.
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Something like this except instead of a text tag, an alternate system like rating/flagging, but just dedicated for people who read what someone else wrote to indicate that the post has important info instead of just being a shitpost.
It can't be part of the current rating system (those are just for fun and also people might be annoyed at having to choose between dropping a fun rating or a serious one), but maybe just a toggle button labeled "important" would do. If a post gets over a certain threshold of users marking it, at bare minimum run a script to link to it from the OP.
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Your updoots are to the left . The "rewards" should only remain within the wiki. Cross platform bling will only cause more issues. If your only editing the wiki so you can get a fucking badge on the forum then please for the love of god go suck start a pistol.
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If there will be a "Kiwi Farms Wiki," make sure that admins, mods, and supervisors are the only editors.
Otherwise, it'll be pure anarchy.
Otherwise, it'll be pure anarchy.
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Oh so you mean like last time, when nothing got done? People need to stop being fucking lazy and actually fucking moderate the wiki. If your to lazy to moderate your to lazy to edit a wiki.
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Probably wouldn't be that bad as long as users who have their own thread aren't allowed to make edits.
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Easy way to fix that. Have all users of the forum over a certain age auto-approved to edit (have the age limit of the account be left secret to prevent lolcows sleeper gaming the system). Automatically disqualify all users considered known "Persons of Interest" (dunno how it's set up, so this should not screw over Verified users, just PoI's, unless they have different internal tags here on the forum, I'm a Xenforo dumbass)
As a further layer of security, set up some abuse filters on the wiki itself to detect obvious bullshit like page blanking and set it to auto-ban any idiot who does that.
Tweak this further as needed, you basically have something actual kiwis can use with little threat of spastics trying to fuck it up.
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or here is a crazy idea, how about the people who are going to be sysops fucking do their job and fucking moderate the wiki. Trying to automate all of this and trying to keep people out is what lead to the wiki dying the first time. The answer to this isnt to turn it into a echo chamber where only those deemed worthy can contribute.
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This probably isn't what you're looking for, but perhaps a system that filters post by positive rating? The really good/informative posts in any given thread tend to have a higher positive rating; if you could filter or something based on a rating threshold, it would cut away a lot of the chaff, allowing people to more easily go through the good bits. Again, this isn't really what you're looking for, but in a short term way it might make the bigger threads more accessible. I have no clue as to how viable such a system would be in xenforo.
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-A pinned summary/ contents OP, updated regularly with links back to the thread
-Better within-thread search function.
How would you do it? I suppose create a template, assign one or a few people per cow, with instructions to pull out relevant timeline and info, summarise and link back to the thread. It’d need to be a simple way of doing that, you want someone to be blw go quickly write a summary sentence and link back to post number three billion or whatever.
Also a thought: There’s academic software that does this. You’re effectively writing a review with a contents page and n abstract....but it’s all shite. If you come up with a really good summary/indexing solution and sell it, KF will never go hungry again.
-Better within-thread search function.
How would you do it? I suppose create a template, assign one or a few people per cow, with instructions to pull out relevant timeline and info, summarise and link back to the thread. It’d need to be a simple way of doing that, you want someone to be blw go quickly write a summary sentence and link back to post number three billion or whatever.
Also a thought: There’s academic software that does this. You’re effectively writing a review with a contents page and n abstract....but it’s all shite. If you come up with a really good summary/indexing solution and sell it, KF will never go hungry again.
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I haven't managed to get into any lolcows because I have a low attention span and can't be damned to read even 30-50 pages of info. The amount of info might be an issue, but having a traditional wiki article with a generic objective description at the top would be nice, and then a "minor incidents" section and a "major incidents" section that has it's own subsections. I also believe in the heart of the people. Kiwifarms has the manpower to go through these massive threads and add everything to a wiki. If you don't think so, you underestimate how autistic people can be. If you allowed lurkers to edit, it would be even better as I'm betting that there are plenty of lurkers familiar with specific cows. Not only that, but you could also choose to make the wiki more "tl;dr" style and condense the info of threads, so that while they may be long, they don't have every single detail to make the pages as long as the threads.
The wiki should aim to educate anyone about a lolcow enough that they can then jump into said lolcow's thread and start discussing with people while not being in the dark and having to question. If you put too much into it, it's going to take as much time to read as the thread.
The wiki should aim to educate anyone about a lolcow enough that they can then jump into said lolcow's thread and start discussing with people while not being in the dark and having to question. If you put too much into it, it's going to take as much time to read as the thread.
Coleslaw
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Leonard Kleinrock did more for the Internet than Tim's limey ass ever did.
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In-forum I suggest making OPs editable by people with a specific role. I don't know how you determine who gets that role.
Is it shitty to open a TTS thread with suggested changes to an OP?
Is it shitty to open a TTS thread with suggested changes to an OP?
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The userbase has grown significantly. I would love to jump in to large threads and compile the legitimate info. I'm sure others share this feeling. It would allow me to enjoy two favorite hobbies - learning about new cows and organizing long bits of data.
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