A Final Solution to the Wiki Question

[cuddle striker]

weighing informative, semper Fi, winner would be great. something really damn funny could still get up there but it would have to be worth it, that way.

 

[Haramburger]

Like, what do you do if there's several important posts within the same n pages?

The site isn't currently broken(beyond russian DDoS) & these are just experimental improvements. No existing user will miss anything, it's just an attempt to highlight some of the good posts in a sea of discussion for tourists and unregistered guests.

 

[Twinkie]

The site isn't currently broken(beyond russian DDoS) & these are just experimental improvements. No existing user will miss anything, it's just an attempt to highlight some of the good posts in a sea of discussion for tourists and unregistered guests.

I think the reason some people might be a tiny bit confused is because the thread was originally about a wiki solution and when most people think wikis they they think of autism and a sort of completionist drive. That was the case for me anyway. Now that I get what it is, it just sounds fun so

 

[Sammies#1Fan]

I'm fairly new here and some of the longer threads are pretty daunting. I love the idea making them more digestible, but I don't have any suggestions. I will, however, volunteer to be a proofreader/janitor/whatever. I lean towards grammar nazi but I can match the tone of the post if needed...As Long As I Don't Have To Capitalize Every GD Word In A Sentence.

Holla at me.

 

[Account]

I have done an experiment. I skimmed the Bob Chipman Thread from Page 1 to 45 (this covers Nov 11, 2014 to Feb 24, 2016) and got all of the highlighted posts (i'll call them gilded). I'll try to give a brief description of the post, but some of are just broadly categorized (like "quip," which is a post that is meant to be comedic but doesn't really add anything special to the thread, like "X is fat and I would not have sex with him/her"). Each seperate table is a batch of three pages.

Spoiler

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-400527	OP
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-401280	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-401413	Image comparing Bob to dictators

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-561216	Twitter screencap of someone calling Bob a faggot
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-592574	Guy mad that people give Bob money
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-594925	Posting a video to make fun of Bob

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-645792	Criticism of Bob's book
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-650588	Image used to make fun of Bob
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-790565	Twitter screencap of Bob being dumb

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-841711	Poster's opinion that Bob is sexist
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-859327	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-859363	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-859404	Poster talking about Bob's overreaction to Pixels, with Twitter screencaps
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-862037	A fucking advice animal
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-865479	Art of Bob getting fucked in the ass

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-875015	Poster talking about Bob getting interviewed by a local radio station
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-877983	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-887191	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-887710	Poster flabbergasted that Bob likes the SMB movie
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-888717	Poster critiquing Bob and his politics
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-916082	Poster flabbergasted that Bob did something dumb

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-930308	Poster's negative opinion
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-980195	Poster pointing out how Bob may have had a caricature of him in South Park
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-981252	Blog Link that Bob has Type 2 Diabetes

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-984109	New York Post mentions Bob
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-984124	New York Post(?) mentions Peter Coffin
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-984684	Quip + Image

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1000966	Post that looks like it should have an image
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1009965	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1013656	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1057669	Poster talking about how people like Bob were probably picked on in school
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1093254	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1093803	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1118838	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1140608	Post wondering if Bob will ever look back at himself
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1158666	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1184742	Poster calling Bob shallow
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1185439	Poster discussing what he thinks Bob's "problem" is
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1189592	Poster wanting Bob to fail

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1198861	Joke about fictional call to Bob from his publisher about his book
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1232184	Poster complaining that Bob ruined Mario 3 for them
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1232294	Quip

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1244862	Quip
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1263254	Poster calling Bob fat
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/bob-moviebob-chipman.5873/post-1279359	Poster's opinion

I don't think this works as a browsing mode, but when it comes to compiling lesser known but still compilation worthy tidbits (like the local radio interview, or the New York Post mention), it's an improvement. With some tweaking, this could work very well for the army-of-autists approach to thread documentation.

 

[Haramburger]

I'm fairly new here and some of the longer threads are pretty daunting. I love the idea making them more digestible, but I don't have any suggestions. I will, however, volunteer to be a proofreader/janitor/whatever. I lean towards grammar nazi but I can match the tone of the post if needed...As Long As I Don't Have To Capitalize Every GD Word In A Sentence.

Holla at me.

The tricky thing is how different each cow actually is; Bob Chipman is pretty low-key day to day. If you were to summarize his 2300 page thread, it's mostly discussion in response to his latest cringy video or tweet because nothing has happened in his life. He made a bad book, got universally bad reviews, got fired from two outlets for making poor videos, and... that's it. You couldn't really catalog that or slim it down any because he just says dumb shit online every few days or makes a bad skit on a video. He's constantly active online so it's worth talking about his latest social gaff but they're numerous and not impactful.

Contrast that with Sophie Labelle/Assigned Male, who has regular comic updates to critique and pick apart in writing/art, sharing MS paint edits, articles written about them to read over and discuss, public appearances and oversharing personal photos, etc. Tons of content from several different angles.

The stuff you'd expect to see bordered are very different in the two threads, as @Account points out. Bob's all one-liners and quips, where Sophie posts are probably calling out creepy elementary school and library appearances for book signings and the worst(best?) comics and edits as they go viral to other sites.

 

[Oaat]

I'm considering limiting this to only on-topic boards so that this does not happen.

Multimedia and Games have some long-running threads with news and leaks posted throughout. The really long threads become about following a topic instead of just posting opinions. Maybe threads in off-topic that exceed a certain number of posts could trigger goldposting?

Edit: Maybe only certain boards. I would feel bad if people's art got skipped over in the Post your Art Thread, for example.

 

[Soap Sniffer]

I say with some restraint maybe just not have it at all on A&H?

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

I think this could be pretty effective, but I have two suggestions for null:

1. Make it a distinctive color other than gold since that seems to carry some emotional weight from other forums and we're all autistic shitheads

2. Roll out the change to only 2-3 boards that you feel like are higher quality (ie, probably not weebwars) and can garner good feedback from the users/moderators

I have one suggestion for posters:

1. Don't bitch and moan about how it "isn't working" and how it has to be changed right away. UX changes need time to breathe, it's fine to dislike it but saying it "isn't working" when it's been live for less than a week is retarded and only discourages developers (ie, null) from wanting to improve the product because the users are whiney pricks. He opened up this thread for feedback, be constructive instead of argumentative. It is not easy to develop a product alone.

 

[tiggles]

This is a great start. I propose special rules for the tranny megathread - highlight only by the most important rating in that thread: :horrifying:. Collecting those barbells is like a badge of honor.

tbh for many threads I think the horrifying stickers correlate with the most information on the cow.

 

[Immortal Technique]

Thinking further down the line; any post that makes the automation to be highlighted should be non-editable by the user. It made the qualifier for a reason and people should be able to read why it did so in original form (or whatever edits the OP did before it qualified).

This would preserve the post for future readers, secured posts of weak willed leakers, and eliminates any shiesty shit occurring after the fact of being highlighted. It's a low concern of the site, but eliminates a future big problem that could occur.

 

[Twinkie]

Thinking further down the line; any post that makes the automation to be highlighted should be non-editable by the user. It made the qualifier for a reason and people should be able to read why it did so in original form (or whatever edits the OP did before it qualified).

This would preserve the post for future readers, secured posts of weak willed leakers, and eliminates any shiesty shit occurring after the fact of being highlighted. It's a low concern of the site, but eliminates a future big problem.

But what if it's an "informative" post that's factually incorrect? My tism

 

[betterbullocks]

Two suggestions:

1. Spruce up the border a little bit, it looks more like a click-box than a border.
2. Possibly add a separate border for Null or admin posts and bar those from receiving the gold border, since all Null-posting is a guaranteed gold border. Maybe a purple border or something. Not entirely sure about this but something to consider

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

This is good, I like this. Does this also mean technically it's viable to be able to search for the most liked/disliked and autistic posts on the site?

 

[Judge Dredd]

I agree. Giving extra weight to 'inforamtive' and 'semper fidelis' can help make sure some joke on the first page isn't the one with the gold border.

Maybe going forward, a new "update" rating could be applied. Even if it's limited to mods, it would allow posts to be marked if there's a significant development. Kind of similar to high some posts/threads will be highlighted on the front page.

"Update" could trump all other ratings, and if there is no update, then fall back to the default informative/winner/whatever filter.

 

[JuniperFalls]

Referencing what @tiggles said a couple posts up: I too like the idea of making it easier to find "informative" posts, but for a couple of the more horrifying cow threads I watch, many posts showing straight screenshots of the subject's social media get a rating like horrifying, lunacy or IC. This is indeed some horrifying lunatic stuff, but often it's the kind of content that would be worth highlighting if the goal is to make it easier for newcomers to catch up on a cow's main points.

 

[polonium]

I'm still not 100% on automation and think you should assign autists- I mean trusted users to moderate it. Like, what do you do if there's several important posts within the same n pages?

So what you're basically looking for is a way to see whose on the Top Autists' friends list?

 

[Null]

The initial problem with the wiki idea is that people do not want to donate their time. Out of this entire thread, maybe 2 or 3 people have valiantly stepped forward for some sort of autopilot wageless job, but of those 3 how many would actually do it? It's hard to find reliable people, especially on this site, especially long term, and anything that relies on a committee for approval is fundamentally flawed. It's far better to form this as something that everyone passively contributes to as opposed to something we expect other, unnamed parties to rigorously evaluate for us.

 

[Splendid]

YES!! Perhaps give extra weight to the 'informative' icon? Lots of posts are uprated because they're funny, for example, but the informative ones usually add information.

This is good. Maybe in the future there could be some sort of weighting to user ratings too? I could see all sorts of things to weight by from number of posts that the account that's doing the rating has overall to the number of posts that they already have in that thread.
Just as long ad we never consider global rating count. That would be dumb.

Also, imo the past 5 pages or so of a thread should be ineligible (maybe with an exception if they clear a very high bar.) This will reduce ratings gaming since the time between making the post and getting the highlight is increased (which should reduce the dopamine rush proven to be associated with Facebook likes, Reddit gold, etc,) and also because my understanding is that this is supposed to help people catch up on threads, not skip over them. We don't want someone jumping into the middle of a conversation without having read the recent context.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

or adding a button that says "jump to next highlight" while keeping you in the real view of the thread. I am leaning towards the latter.

This whole idea is great for cow threads and community watch threads. Lot of people and groups I’d love to learn more about, but most of those threads are packed with filler and like a thousand pages. No way I’m the only one who feels that way.