Actions movies that actually have a good plot/cast/plausible story.

"Plausible story" is the biggest roadblock here. It's pretty much antithetical to action movies, orthagonal to it being a good action movie by action movie standards. Every single one depends on their being a patently unrealistic antagonist in the mix to drive it forward, be it the Big Bad or Big Good, it needs at least one. I can't really think of any good action movie where this isn't true. I was gonna say Alien until I realized oh yeah, the fucking xenomorph.
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My thesis here is that you could name any good action movie and I'll be able to easily identify at least one better-than-mortal character on which the plot entirely depends.
Every single action movie has that at least that one character that you can name as being some kind of suprahuman plot driver without which the entire thing falls apart and ceases to be an action movie.
 
Payback (1999) is a action movie I keep going back to watch, it features Mel Gibson as a major asshole getting revenge on his ex girlfriend and ex partner in crime.
Loved it. That film was the first time I'd seen Lucy Liu...and I liked what I saw...

Harry Brown, it's a low-key British vigilante film starring Michael Caine killing chavs
Yes, good film. Basically, English Gran Torino, which was another excellent film

For action films with a simple plot, it's hard to beat Rambo IV. That is still one of the best action movies I have ever seen. Extremely violent. It holds the Guinness World Record for Most Deaths In A Scene.

I also thought Dredd was really good, which is bemusing because Karl Urban is a shit actor. But goddamn he was good as Dredd.
 
I also thought Dredd was really good
Together with The Raid 1 and 2 the best of what i would call modern action films, i know both films are over 10 years old by now but anything filmed after 2000 is modern for me. I like Dredd better than The Raid because i am into the comics but The Raid 2 is the best out of all three. Insane choreos, good story, lots of violence. On the same level as some of the oldschool R-rated classics for me.
I just found out there is a directors cut called "Payback: Straight up" where the tone is darker and has a different ending.
I've downloaded it after someone recommended the DC in the Movie Recommendations thread but i have yet to watch it. Supposedly it's the superior version of the film. The non-DC version is another movie i can hardly remember except that i liked it.

I would like to put Ronin in this thread but it fails at the "plausible story" part even if it tries hard at being realistic. Excellent action/heist film nonetheless, top-tier cast, some of the greatest car chases since French Connection, even has some solid gun porn.
 
"Plausible story" is the biggest roadblock here. It's pretty much antithetical to action movies, orthagonal to it being a good action movie by action movie standards. Every single one depends on their being a patently unrealistic antagonist in the mix to drive it forward, be it the Big Bad or Big Good, it needs at least one. I can't really think of any good action movie where this isn't true. I was gonna say Alien until I realized oh yeah, the fucking xenomorph.
No Country has Anton
Die Hard has John McLane
My thesis here is that you could name any good action movie and I'll be able to easily identify at least one better-than-mortal character on which the plot entirely depends.
Every single action movie has that at least that one character that you can name as being some kind of suprahuman plot driver without which the entire thing falls apart and ceases to be an action movie.

Yes "plausible" is the biggest hurdle here. Yes Ellen Ripley is great example of a plausible character in my opinion as well. She's just a space trucker with a small crew hauling minerals not strong, smart but, not a genius, she's scared half to death the minute the thing jumps out of John Hurt. Ellen Ripley is real, even the very last scene she's obviously struggling to keep it together mentally, singing a song just to keep from breaking into a full bore panic. I actually had a long conversation with one of the men who wrote the screenplay years ago, we chatted one on face to face for about 30-45 minutes. The shit he told me I won't even post openly here, I don't think anyone would believe me anwyay. In the original screenplay Ripley was a man and there were some slight homosexual undertones between Ripley and Dallas.

You want a realistic action film? Here, I'll write one for this thread. Every week a nigger goes into the same local liquor store for malt liquor and newports, one day he gets the idea to rob the place, he puts a covid mask on parks his car where the tags are fully visible from at least 3 cameras, wears a shirt that clearly reveals the black gorilla family tattoo he got last time in prison. He walks into the liquor store with sunglasses and a covid mask points a loaded firearm at the clerk orders the cash. Clerk complies and then he panics forgets firearms safety rule #1 and shoots the clerk in the face out of nervousness and poor trigger discipline. He grabs the cash and runs out. About 6 hours later local Detectives have run the plates latest registered owner, then reviewed previous mugshots ,recognize that tattoo and find last known address based on his cell phone bill, they assemble a tactical response team bang on the door to his apartment before breaching and they find him hiding in the closet.

BORING. AS. SHIT. I just basically mentally copied a typical episode of "The First 48". If you want something that plausible you are not watching an action film.

The point I'm trying to make are the characters in films like "Heat" are relatively realistic, Al Pachino is bit over the top, someone mentioned his characters backstory originally him having a cocaine habit which would make more sense. The biggest issue I take with Heat is the 3 men walking into a bank with fully automatic carbines and 4 extra mags. On the other hand would it be a great action film without the all the gun porn? You see the dilemma here.

You want to see what happens when you take an action film and make it too realistic? Watch "killing them Softly" 2012. It's even based on a true story, it's good but, it's not an action film anymore.

Killing Them Softly, 2012 . It's a good movie but if you forced an action movie into more realistic terms it's what you get and even though it was a good movie the general audiences didn't like it and it did not do financially well despite the quality put into it.
 
Killing Them Softly would’ve been good if it didn’t drown out actors with news broadcasts of “hur-dur Murica bad”

If it just focused on being a mob movie it would’ve been great.
 
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A Bittersweet Life has seen its share of imitators Korean and otherwise but I don't think any of them have surpassed it. If you're looking for a stylish gangster thriller with some nice dramatic action beats you can't go wrong.

Exiled and Throwdown are two of my favorite Johnnie To movies.. the latter is pretty oddball and probably stretches plausible story too much to stay within the lines but both have a unique flavor as does Peter Chan's Wu Xia which even with Donnie Yen in there actually pushes the story harder than the action.

Na-Hong Jin's The Chaser and The Yellow Sea are more bleak thriller than action but I think you need to stretch the genre definition a bit to find more of what you're looking for.

Haywire and its recent cousin The Killer (Fincher) also aim for realism (as much as you can allow yourself to believe a woman can beat these guys senseless anyway) at the expense of enjoyable stories and actual interesting characters but I still like both for their tone and style choices alone.

I'd also toss in Rolling Thunder and Spartan.. and once again at a stretch Runaway Train, 3:10 to Yuma and Ghost Dog.
 
Killing Them Softly would’ve been good if it didn’t drown out actors with news broadcasts of “hur-dur Murica bad”

If it just focused on being a mob movie it would’ve been great.


Please tell me more, I recall Brad Pitt cynical ranting about Benjamin Franklin? in the final scene. The two main characters are ex cons struggling to just find work. I don't recall too much anti-American sentiment, can you elaborate?
 
I think Ghost Dog would qualify. Forest Whitaker stars as kind of a black Léon.

I'm not sure if it qualifies as an action movie, but Falling Down might also be what you're looking for. It's about an average guy pushed over the edge, think Marvin Heemeyer (killdozer).
 
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Please tell me more, I recall Brad Pitt cynical ranting about Benjamin Franklin? in the final scene. The two main characters are ex cons struggling to just find work. I don't recall too much anti-American sentiment, can you elaborate?
It’s the constant playing of presidential and election speeches from Bush and Obama over either environment shots or playing in the background of actual scenes drowning out dialogue. It was insufferable, I just wanted gritty mob stuff.

I think they cram like four speeches into the film, fucking pretentious.
 
It’s the constant playing of presidential and election speeches from Bush and Obama over either environment shots or playing in the background of actual scenes drowning out dialogue. It was insufferable, I just wanted gritty mob stuff.

I think they cram like four speeches into the film, fucking pretentious.

Well you are not wrong but I think it's simply matter of opinion. IIRC its all Obama speeches wasn't it? And given the fact he's been president for about 3 years since the movie came out you could make the cynical claim the second coming of Christ that was supposed to be Barrack Hussein Obama, was just another mediocre president. Nothing really improved dramatically under his first term, or even his second. I think the speeches are there to show the juxtaposition between the haves and have not and how Obama was a false god and meant nothing to people like the two main characters or really any of the othe supporting characters. I mean he had 8 years as the first black president and niggers have only gotten worse and more entitled. Scoot Mcnairy's White character openly gripes about how as an ex con with no job, no way to get a job and he's half joking about going back to prison just not to freeze to death. Maybe that is just my interpretation but, I think it's very cynical but accurate how pointless someone like Obama is to the down and out people of the world.


Here's an action movie I doubt anyone here actually saw possibly even heard of, the dialogue/acting is good, the plot is fairly original and the characters are well written.

Way of the Gun, 2000

The movie is hard to describe, even the trailer itself is fairly misleading but a very unique action film.


You know you've made poor life choices when you find yourself jerking off into a cup for gas money.
 
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That one is amazing, too, i get where you're coming from. Check out Johnnie To films if you haven't already, he's my #1 classic HK action film director, even surpassing Woo in my eyes. Not by much, though, both are masters of their craft. Did you watch Bullet in the Head online/torrented it? I've burned through all my Avistaz.to accounts quite a long time ago and have been fruitlessly looking for a new place to watch/download asian cinema ever since.
I ran a HK movie site for about 20 years. I never really got into torrents, but I definitely did a lot of tape trading on alt.asian-movies and buying dodgy VCDs in Chinatown shops.

YouTube acutally has quite a bit on there, but you may need to download the movie and run it through something like VLC if you want English subtitles.

If you have a VPN, the HK versions of Netflix and (for some reason) Disney have pretty solid selections, but again you might not have English dub/subtitles.

Midnight Pulp, Hi-Yah, Tubi, PlutoTV, and Fandango (Vudu) are good for US based apps.
 
Deatwish 3. No better war movie you can find.
On a more serious note. Duck You Sucker has one of the few put to film full scale combat scenes and isn't even the main point of the movie. It looks and sounds like a turn of the century front line.
 
seconded these two. As for my personal recommendation:
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only the first movie, haven't seen the sequels. Crackerjack pair of leads against a drug trafficking ring.
LW2 leans into a comedy a bit too much for my liking, and I don't like the "twist" that makes the South African criminals personal to Riggs, but it's a very solid action movie that improves on the first in many respects and has a topless Patsy Kensit. Even the third movie is pretty decent even though it it's a traditional early '90s buddy comedy by that point. Four is borderline unwatchable outside of the Jet Li scenes because they filmed it using multiple scripts and it's basically the Fast and the Furious with their extended goofball family that it is never in any real danger.
Thoughts on John Wick? The sequels go off the rails as one would expect, fighting on horseback or doing top down Hotline Miami style shootouts, but the first one had a grounded setting of an ex-hitman going on a murder spree to cut ties with his life of crime. As far as I could tell, all fight scenes were shot in a way you could actually see what was going on, have great choreography incorporating martial arts, guns don't have infinite ammo etc. Story was kept subtle and simple. It worked great as an action movie thriller, giving you a glimpse of the bigger picture that Wick will forever remain chained to.

Or at least for the first movie. By the final one it lost the grounded touch entirely and went full action.

John Wick is okay when it comes to the jiujitsu stuff but otherwise it's generic CG slop.
John Wick is a fun movie, but it's basically become *the* action movie for basic bitch dudes, gamers and the BRC drinking wannabes.

I remember during the peak Alec Baldwin shooting discourse seeing a bunch of people claim that there shouldn't even be real guns in films anymore because John Wick used CGI and it looked indistinguishable from the real thing and I was just like "you've never seen a real gun fired in your life"
Dude has apparently never seen any of his movies either, or any movie really, if he thinks you can't tell how fake the gunfights in John Wick look. There's no recoil at all, and worse there are no squibs so every bullet hit it just a fake-looking poof of dust or red mist that immediately disappears, and headshots are just neat little holes that appear while the actor getting shot barely reacts.

Unfortunately, John Woo succumbed to CG gunfights in Silent Night and it was like watching someone get hit by a car in slow motion. I've never been so let down by a director ever.
 
The Raid is the perfect action movie and The Raid 2 is one of the best sequels ever made. It has all the crazy shit of the first film, but this time there is a story, almost double the runtime and the best fucking car chase of all time.

When I heard that the Raid guys were going to be in The Force Awakens, I nearly shat myself, thinking they would be some kind of cool ninja siths or whatever, only for them to stand there for 7 seconds and be eaten by a CGI blob.

A fucking shame and a colossal waste.
 
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One of the Rambo soft reboots was actually really good, can't remember which one
Also the Casino Royale "remake" with craig was amazing.
 
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